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TVRJAS said:
...my opinion. " And you are entitled to it"
But myself and his 102,800 subscribers like his approach.
That's a wide audience he has just reached,many subscribers living over in the States that have never even heard of a Wedge.
Thank You.But myself and his 102,800 subscribers like his approach.
That's a wide audience he has just reached,many subscribers living over in the States that have never even heard of a Wedge.
Good point about USA....but I would argue that in web terms 103,000 is most definitely NOT a wide audience - just saying.
When he adds a zero (or two) then yer talkin'
Edited by RCK974X on Wednesday 19th October 01:54
Tony, if it really is a rapprochement that is wished, it needs to be undertaken in good faith, by all concerned, in an honest and open manner, and will, by necessity, include an acknowledgement of wrong-doing by those involved, especially around the attempts at disruption and subversion aimed at the Wedge community, and would ideally also cover the subject of the charitable donation for BBWF 2013, and associated matters. If this is not possible, why not move on as has been intimated on more than one occasion? Or you could organise your own event. It's easy - just ask Mark. Attempting to force yourself on others is certainly not the route to follow if you crave acceptance.
Anyway, the point is that Mark has done a fantastic job of picking up the pieces of the BBWF following the immediately prior financial difficulties - maybe there wasn't a fully democratic poll on the matter, but it was obvious that the previous incumbent was using the event as his personal promotion vehicle, so a change was necessary, and Mark had widespread support to take on the role. Under his stewardship, we have now reached a point where there have been several years of highly successful events, which have resulted in significant charitable donations, all because of the generosity of the participants and the wider TVR and Wedge communities, both in the UK, and from several countries further afield. Next years event will surpass all others, especially as it coincides with significant milestone in TVR's history.
Part of the appeal of this event is that whilst it is indeed The Big Bad Wedge Fest, it is undoubtedly inclusive of all TVR models, and that it is organised and run independently of the TVRCC by choice, giving greater freedom all round.
So roll on July, and the Biggest Baddest Wedge Fest ever.
Anyway, the point is that Mark has done a fantastic job of picking up the pieces of the BBWF following the immediately prior financial difficulties - maybe there wasn't a fully democratic poll on the matter, but it was obvious that the previous incumbent was using the event as his personal promotion vehicle, so a change was necessary, and Mark had widespread support to take on the role. Under his stewardship, we have now reached a point where there have been several years of highly successful events, which have resulted in significant charitable donations, all because of the generosity of the participants and the wider TVR and Wedge communities, both in the UK, and from several countries further afield. Next years event will surpass all others, especially as it coincides with significant milestone in TVR's history.
Part of the appeal of this event is that whilst it is indeed The Big Bad Wedge Fest, it is undoubtedly inclusive of all TVR models, and that it is organised and run independently of the TVRCC by choice, giving greater freedom all round.
So roll on July, and the Biggest Baddest Wedge Fest ever.
ElvisWedgely said:
I don't ever remember being asked to vote for a BBWF organiser or even being made aware of who the nominees were. So, if I didn't vote, surely there are plenty of others who didn't. Mark keeps banging on about being voted in, but if he was, it must have been unfairy as we didn't get to vote.
From the "BBWF 2014 - what do we want thread" started 15/10/13, by Henry Harris:ElvisWedgely said:
'What we want' is someone to step forward and take on the responsibility of organising the BBWF 2014. The way I see it, until that happens it would be difficult to decide on what, where and how. We need a project manager, an organiser, someone to lead the team for others to follow and help out. Unfortunately, as far as I am aware, that hasn't happened yet, and unless it does soon the future of the BBWF is not looking good. Places get booked up early and any other companies needed to attend would need to know soon. We all have families, commitments and responsibilities, so it is understandable that people are reluctant to step forward. Once the organiser is sorted, I think we are half way there.
Later, after Dickymint suggested Henry and Mark take the reigns, and they stepped up:ElvisWedgely said:
I'd like to be the first to wish you luck in organising the New BBWF. It is indeed a difficult task and there are risks involved, especially when the standards have been set so high by the previous organisers. However, I am sure that both you and Mark(ZIG), with the help of others in the know, will do a great job. We are all looking forward to a new, fantastic event for 2014, so it's time for everyone to join in with their ideas and get the ball rolling.
And I believe you performed at the 2014 event and only pulled out at the last minute from doing the same in 2015?Seemingly, at some point between BBWF 2015 and BBWF 2016, you and Mark had a falling out (and I have no idea why, but saw some bickering over the venue for 2016 on here - you both seemed quite friendly up to that point) and that has seemed to have been the catalyst for this huge division. If you can't solve your differences, then why not just agree not to jump on each others threads and keep it civil?
Firstly, I'd like to say that I have nothing against Mark on a personal level and I do think he is a person that tries hard and gives it his all. Initially, when he took over the first year, I went along with it and tried to help him the best I could by just generally helping out and performing that year (totally free of charge I might add) for the benefit of the BBWF. Yes I did volunteer to do it because I wanted the Fest to be a success and to a point it was. Then as Mark gained power and maybe he hasn't noticed himself, but he started taking the 'I'm the person in charge attitude' and taking all the credit himself without as much as a thank you. Up until that point me and Mark were ok and got on well, but then I thought well let him get on with it and pulled out, At that point he seemed to be gaining 'new friends' that were supporting him by being rude and aggressive against me. Accusing me of siding with Andy and just generally shunning me aside.
Mark may be a nice lad and his intentions may be good, but he wasn't voted in, he was just instructed to take over, and most were happy to accept him as no one else had stepped up that year. He is power hungry and goes overboard on all levels. I'm not sure that is a good thing. To cut a long story short the Wedge community started to split and the gap seems to be getting wider and wider. If others were to start setting up new clubs and forums the matter would get even worse.
I can assure you that what I genuinely want is to have one successful Wedge community. One Fest, one club,one forum, one facebook etc. My intentions are not to disrupt, but to help in any way I can, in return I would like to feel as I belong. Ever since Mark took over, I don't feel that.
Solution I think is to move forward by finding a way I think to resolve the differences. Either by arranging a meeting of all involved or setting up some kind of thread where this matter can be discussed openly in an adult and responsible fashion without being rude to each other. Maybe that way we might get somewhere. I know it is not possible to please everyone all the time but at least some compromise may be found that everyone can relate to. The way forward is not dictatorship, its democracy. I have been open and spoken my mind and I apologise if I have offended anyone in the process.
Tony. TCB.
Mark may be a nice lad and his intentions may be good, but he wasn't voted in, he was just instructed to take over, and most were happy to accept him as no one else had stepped up that year. He is power hungry and goes overboard on all levels. I'm not sure that is a good thing. To cut a long story short the Wedge community started to split and the gap seems to be getting wider and wider. If others were to start setting up new clubs and forums the matter would get even worse.
I can assure you that what I genuinely want is to have one successful Wedge community. One Fest, one club,one forum, one facebook etc. My intentions are not to disrupt, but to help in any way I can, in return I would like to feel as I belong. Ever since Mark took over, I don't feel that.
Solution I think is to move forward by finding a way I think to resolve the differences. Either by arranging a meeting of all involved or setting up some kind of thread where this matter can be discussed openly in an adult and responsible fashion without being rude to each other. Maybe that way we might get somewhere. I know it is not possible to please everyone all the time but at least some compromise may be found that everyone can relate to. The way forward is not dictatorship, its democracy. I have been open and spoken my mind and I apologise if I have offended anyone in the process.
Tony. TCB.
Tony,
I think your last post re-affirms you true position, and based on the content, you have no genuine wish for a conciliation process, irrespective of some of your words. I think you just need to accept the position as it is. Any further negative commentary will only serve the disruptive agenda.
I think your last post re-affirms you true position, and based on the content, you have no genuine wish for a conciliation process, irrespective of some of your words. I think you just need to accept the position as it is. Any further negative commentary will only serve the disruptive agenda.
Number 7 said:
Tony,
I think your last post re-affirms you true position, and based on the content, you have no genuine wish for a conciliation process, irrespective of some of your words. I think you just need to accept the position as it is. Any further negative commentary will only serve the disruptive agenda.
I will say no more on the matter as you are all obviously happy with way things are.I think your last post re-affirms you true position, and based on the content, you have no genuine wish for a conciliation process, irrespective of some of your words. I think you just need to accept the position as it is. Any further negative commentary will only serve the disruptive agenda.
Tony. TCB.
Number 7 said:
Tony,
I think your last post re-affirms you true position, and based on the content, you have no genuine wish for a conciliation process, irrespective of some of your words. I think you just need to accept the position as it is. Any further negative commentary will only serve the disruptive agenda.
I read Tony's post completely differently. In his last paragraph he appears to be holding out the olive branch.I don't think you can get more explicit than that.I think your last post re-affirms you true position, and based on the content, you have no genuine wish for a conciliation process, irrespective of some of your words. I think you just need to accept the position as it is. Any further negative commentary will only serve the disruptive agenda.
- Adam
For my pennies worth and no doubt I will be shot down in flames it might be a good idea to sit down and sort out past issues in an open forum and see if things can be sorted out and if not leave things the way it seems to be going which is a shame as at the end of the day we all have one thing in common TVR,s irrespective of model as I previously said I finally own a Wedge and Mrs No Brakes liked it too, I now have my perfect garage a T350 which I took to last years BBWF and was welcomed with opened arms and the Wedge both compliment each other
I know exactly what it is like to be caught up with people and their EGOS and still going through it now and despite several attempts to sit down and discuss things like adults I have been told I am not welcome and have had emails ignored asking for meetings which is not nice
I know things can never be the same with this rift in the Wedge community and I don't want to get involved personally but I think it might be an idea to put an end to what ever the outcome is and stop the bickering and move on
That's all I will say on the matter
I know exactly what it is like to be caught up with people and their EGOS and still going through it now and despite several attempts to sit down and discuss things like adults I have been told I am not welcome and have had emails ignored asking for meetings which is not nice
I know things can never be the same with this rift in the Wedge community and I don't want to get involved personally but I think it might be an idea to put an end to what ever the outcome is and stop the bickering and move on
That's all I will say on the matter
ElvisWedgely said:
...I can assure you that what I genuinely want is to have one successful Wedge community. One Fest, one club,one forum, one facebook etc. My intentions are not to disrupt, but to help in any way I can, in return I would like to feel as I belong...
Tony. TCB.
Are you sure about that Tony?Tony. TCB.
ElvisWedgely said:
Yesterday, you didn't know there was a wedge FB, today you know there are two. The old one and the new one. Just because someone has invited you doesn't mean it's the one to join. Why not join them both and compare, that way you can make up your own mind. Like I said earlier, personally I prefer to move with the times. Out with the old and in with the new. It's your choice.
Tony. TCB.
Tony. TCB.
Convert said:
ElvisWedgely said:
...I can assure you that what I genuinely want is to have one successful Wedge community. One Fest, one club,one forum, one facebook etc. My intentions are not to disrupt, but to help in any way I can, in return I would like to feel as I belong...
Tony. TCB.
Are you sure about that Tony?Tony. TCB.
ElvisWedgely said:
Yesterday, you didn't know there was a wedge FB, today you know there are two. The old one and the new one. Just because someone has invited you doesn't mean it's the one to join. Why not join them both and compare, that way you can make up your own mind. Like I said earlier, personally I prefer to move with the times. Out with the old and in with the new. It's your choice.
Tony. TCB.
Yes, absolutely certain. In fact what you picked as a demonstration is a perfect example of what will happen more and more as the wedge community divides up. If a solution is found to this problem there will be no need to set up new clubs and forums etc.Tony. TCB.
All I was asking was the cooperation of those involved to resolve this problem and instead I've been once again pushed aside and dismissed as being disruptive. I own a Wedge and have done over many years. Why would I want to disrupt something we can all take part in and enjoy? I am not saying it will be easy or that it will work effectively but I am saying lets all try and unite as one. Something everyone can relate to. That way at least we can say we tried. If anyone knows of any possible way this can be achieved then give us your ideas. Why is that so bad???
Tony. TCB.
Edited by ElvisWedgely on Wednesday 19th October 12:14
adam quantrill said:
I read Tony's post completely differently. In his last paragraph he appears to be holding out the olive branch.I don't think you can get more explicit than that.
- Adam
If that is what you truly believe Adam, that's fine. I'll humour him then: Tony, who do you think needs to be present at this meeting? Will you and all of the others attend in good faith, and be prepared to talk in detail about the things I mentioned? If not, I see no value in you organising such a meeting.- Adam
ElvisWedgely said:
Convert said:
ElvisWedgely said:
...I can assure you that what I genuinely want is to have one successful Wedge community. One Fest, one club,one forum, one facebook etc. My intentions are not to disrupt, but to help in any way I can, in return I would like to feel as I belong...
Tony. TCB.
Are you sure about that Tony?Tony. TCB.
ElvisWedgely said:
Yesterday, you didn't know there was a wedge FB, today you know there are two. The old one and the new one. Just because someone has invited you doesn't mean it's the one to join. Why not join them both and compare, that way you can make up your own mind. Like I said earlier, personally I prefer to move with the times. Out with the old and in with the new. It's your choice.
Tony. TCB.
Yes, absolutely certain. In fact what you picked as a demonstration is a perfect example of what will happen more and more as the wedge community divides up. If a solution is found to this problem there will be no need to set up new clubs and forums etc.Tony. TCB.
All I was asking was the cooperation of those involved to resolve this problem and instead I've been once again pushed aside and dismissed as being disruptive. I own a Wedge and have done over many years. Why would I want to disrupt something we can all take part in and enjoy? I am not saying it will be easy or that it will work effectively but I am saying lets all try and unite as one. Something everyone can relate to. That way at least we can say we tried. If anyone knows of any possible way this can be achieved then give us your ideas. Why is that so bad???
Tony. TCB.
ElvisWedgely said:
... I shouldn't think there will be any rivalry. When I find something new I normally discard the old.
Tony. TCB.
Have you changed your mind since that post then? (Obviously not on music ,as the King is, always has been, and always be the King Tony. TCB.
)If so I'm delighted to hear it, as I always enjoyed your performance @ BBWF, and it'd be great to see you back there
Number 7 said:
If that is what you truly believe Adam, that's fine. I'll humour him then: Tony, who do you think needs to be present at this meeting? Will you and all of the others attend in good faith, and be prepared to talk in detail about the things I mentioned? If not, I see no value in you organising such a meeting.
I don't want or need to be humoured, and what I think won't effect the outcome. From your reply and attitude I get the feeling that you don't think it's a good idea. I can only speak for myself, and yes I will attend a meeting at a suitable time and place if a meeting is set to resolve these issues. Unless of course it can be done more conveniently for everyone on the forum or elsewhere. What is important is all concerned will agree and I can't make promises on behalf of others. Any other suggestion on how to tackle this would be most welcome. What more can I say?
Tony, TCB.
Just to clarify, I think there has been some muddling up of two separate and distinct issues here.
Issue 1. After the BBWF shrank from its former glory to a shadow of its former self, turning into an unwelcoming free for all, the consensus was that Ziga should take over organising the weekend. This is something he has done with great success and we now have a happy, equitable and peaceful weekend where a good amount of money is raised for charity and everyone has a great and peaceful time. Wedge owners who had been put off attending previously are now coming again. We even have TVRCC committee members joining in the fun. The BBWF is once again a massive success. So well done Mark. This is a good thing.
Issue 2. There have been rumours flying round to my knowledge for the past year and a bit about the possibility of one or more new national TVR clubs being formed. This is mainly due to current TVRCC members being unhappy with the way the TVRCC is currently run. They are therefore considering voting with their feet and doing their own thing. It would be a shame of this were to happen, but on the basis that the TVRCC committee is unlikely to modernise of its own accord, it is a distinct possibility. This is not a good thing.
There is absolutely no connection between these two issues.
To the best of my knowledge the people looking to form at least one of the new clubs drive curvy things, not wedges.
Hope that helps
Cheers
Howard
Issue 1. After the BBWF shrank from its former glory to a shadow of its former self, turning into an unwelcoming free for all, the consensus was that Ziga should take over organising the weekend. This is something he has done with great success and we now have a happy, equitable and peaceful weekend where a good amount of money is raised for charity and everyone has a great and peaceful time. Wedge owners who had been put off attending previously are now coming again. We even have TVRCC committee members joining in the fun. The BBWF is once again a massive success. So well done Mark. This is a good thing.
Issue 2. There have been rumours flying round to my knowledge for the past year and a bit about the possibility of one or more new national TVR clubs being formed. This is mainly due to current TVRCC members being unhappy with the way the TVRCC is currently run. They are therefore considering voting with their feet and doing their own thing. It would be a shame of this were to happen, but on the basis that the TVRCC committee is unlikely to modernise of its own accord, it is a distinct possibility. This is not a good thing.
There is absolutely no connection between these two issues.
To the best of my knowledge the people looking to form at least one of the new clubs drive curvy things, not wedges.
Hope that helps
Cheers
Howard
ElvisWedgely said:
I don't want or need to be humoured, and what I think won't effect the outcome. From your reply and attitude I get the feeling that you don't think it's a good idea.
I can only speak for myself, and yes I will attend a meeting at a suitable time and place if a meeting is set to resolve these issues. Unless of course it can be done more conveniently for everyone on the forum or elsewhere. What is important is all concerned will agree and I can't make promises on behalf of others. Any other suggestion on how to tackle this would be most welcome. What more can I say?
Tony, TCB.
As I said, a meeting is worthwhile if all concerned attend in good faith, and all issues are discussed. Who do you think should attend?I can only speak for myself, and yes I will attend a meeting at a suitable time and place if a meeting is set to resolve these issues. Unless of course it can be done more conveniently for everyone on the forum or elsewhere. What is important is all concerned will agree and I can't make promises on behalf of others. Any other suggestion on how to tackle this would be most welcome. What more can I say?
Tony, TCB.
For what it's worth I don't see a 'wedge divide', I see a few people with personality clashes but I see that at work, in the pub, with my mates, in politics 
I guess I realised years ago that I don't need to be in any 'club', it's not like I have to be in one because I drive a Ford van or have an HTC phone or listen to REM... the enjoyment here is in the car, and what I do with it; I'll happily talk ballcocks about it with anyone who stands still for long enough but I don't get sand in my vagina if others feel differently.
If the failed Corporals want to assemble their committees and pass motions through the Chair then crack on, but maybe the membership application form should carry a warning that if you're a free-thinking individual you may soon get fed up.
As for the Fest, well I'm a follower rather than a leader so I'm hapy to leave any planning to others but I don't b1+ch and moan if Rachel Riley isn't there in just her best Victoria's Secrets to wash my car... [Mark: next year?]
I guess I realised years ago that I don't need to be in any 'club', it's not like I have to be in one because I drive a Ford van or have an HTC phone or listen to REM... the enjoyment here is in the car, and what I do with it; I'll happily talk ballcocks about it with anyone who stands still for long enough but I don't get sand in my vagina if others feel differently.
If the failed Corporals want to assemble their committees and pass motions through the Chair then crack on, but maybe the membership application form should carry a warning that if you're a free-thinking individual you may soon get fed up.
As for the Fest, well I'm a follower rather than a leader so I'm hapy to leave any planning to others but I don't b1+ch and moan if Rachel Riley isn't there in just her best Victoria's Secrets to wash my car... [Mark: next year?
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