HELP! Has Anyone Got..

HELP! Has Anyone Got..

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v8s4me

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220 months

Monday 27th February 2017
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Wedg1e said:
Hmmm, I'm sure I recall the plate having two captive studs and domed nuts being used inside the glass,....
That's the way it was manufactured but the studs were very thin (6mm?) and sheared off when I tried to undo the dome nut. Probably very poor quality material to start with which didn't help.

I may have to dismantle it all again because I think swapping the bolts has caused it to leak again. I'll check in the morning and if I do have to take it apart I'll measure the hole in the glass.

v8s4me

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220 months

Tuesday 28th February 2017
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How's this....



So now you can see why I failed 'O' Level TD laugh

RobXjcoupe

3,179 posts

92 months

Tuesday 28th February 2017
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Easier to read than some of the hand drawings I get from so called engineers I work with.
Have you altered the pitch of the screw holes because you mentioned the standard part rubs on the rubber seal?

v8s4me

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Tuesday 28th February 2017
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No, this is exactly as it is. It is the inside bracket which would need to be moved inboard a bit to ease the clearance between the body of the bracket and the rubber seal. This is why I'm thinking an angle bracket would make a good starting point because it would allow the position of the screw holes to remain in the same place relative to the edge of the (interior) bracket whilst allowing the mounting point for the strut to be moved inboard.

I have spaced out the strut mounting stud with a couple of washers and this has made it a little bit easier to clip the socket of the strut in place. I've also chamfered the outer leading edge of the bracket in the hope that it will slide past the new seal without taking a lump out of it.

The other side is fine incidental. If you are going to have a go at this little problem then in/out adjustability is the key, remembering that the outside edge of the internal bracket needs to clear the seal. Tricky!

marcus1875

1,512 posts

143 months

Tuesday 28th February 2017
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Thats great Joe, i'm going to give it a bash! Hooefully, unlike the window, i'll get cracking!
Cheers, i'll let you know how i get on.
Marcus

v8s4me

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220 months

Tuesday 28th February 2017
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As an afterthought, that large outer bracket is the same as the one used to secure the tailgate catch to the glass so you you do produce some they could be used for that purpose as well.

Good luck and thank you thumbup

RobXjcoupe

3,179 posts

92 months

Wednesday 1st March 2017
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I've added a strengthening rib and made the dia 7mm hole boss an extra 2mm thicker to get rid of any washers. The mounting holes I've slotted. 6mm?
The dia 7mm hole is that clearance for a m6 screw? If so I can tap that hole instead. Can you give an overall height of that bracket please.
Any other changes? smile

Edited by RobXjcoupe on Wednesday 1st March 06:38

adam quantrill

11,538 posts

243 months

Wednesday 1st March 2017
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I prefer:

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Because it was drawn on the back of a fag packet in the traditional way....

v8s4me

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220 months

Wednesday 1st March 2017
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21mm. Although my bodged one is now a little bit higher by the thickness of the angle bracket which is holding it together. I don't think the height is too critical so long as there is an adequate thickness of metal around the stud mounting hole.

Another option might be to make this part thinner and secure the stud in place with a nylock. Would this make it easier to fabricate?

RobXjcoupe

3,179 posts

92 months

Wednesday 1st March 2017
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v8s4me said:
21mm. Although my bodged one is now a little bit higher by the thickness of the angle bracket which is holding it together. I don't think the height is too critical so long as there is an adequate thickness of metal around the stud mounting hole.

Another option might be to make this part thinner and secure the stud in place with a nylock. Would this make it easier to fabricate?
Ok will stick with 21mm high, it isn't that hard to machine. A bit fiddly as it's small but I can find a small holding vice in the toolroom.

I could make the part a tad wider to get slightly longer slots in and put the strengthening rib on the other side for more rubber seal clearance and keep the strut mounting hole boss flush with the rib? Does the strut mounting simply nut and bolt through that dia 7 hole?

v8s4me

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Wednesday 1st March 2017
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RobXjcoupe said:
... Does the strut mounting simply nut and bolt through that dia 7 hole?
The 7mm hole is tapped and the strut mounting stud screws into it. I don't know what the thread is though, I can try a couple of nuts on it tomorrow.

If the flange was thinner then the stud could be held in place with a nut.

The threaded section of the locating stud is 12mm long...

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Here's another picture which might help..

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Most of today has been spent trying to get the lower mounting bracket off. What a way to build a car!


RobXjcoupe

3,179 posts

92 months

Wednesday 1st March 2017
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If you could use your vernier to measure the thread pitch please. M7x? will be an odd size. I do have a set of m7 taps but I can't check till tomorrow evening as I'm on nightshift.
I'll make two out of aluminium. I have to fit it in with my paid work so be patient wink and I'll post a picture once done and hopefully another TVR repaired smile

RobXjcoupe

3,179 posts

92 months

Wednesday 1st March 2017
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That 7mm hole is that measured from the strut mount or the hole in the broken casting?

v8s4me

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Wednesday 1st March 2017
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Don't rush on my account. I've got mine all back together and watertight so I'm not looking to take it apart again unless it fails a second time.

The centre of the 7mm hole is 12.5mm from the base of the bracket. Is that what you need to know? Although measuring the thread on the stud (rather than the ID of the hole) it comes up at 8mm. Looks like I may have measured incorrectly there; sorry.

Here's photo of the thread....



Looks like 18tpi, does that sound right?

RobXjcoupe

3,179 posts

92 months

Wednesday 1st March 2017
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The hole is m8 then.
The thread pitch standard is 1.25mm so if you screw the mount into the casting, 12mm of screw length will be approx 9.6 turns.
If it's 12 turns then we have a 1mm pitch.
If you could do that then I've got all the info I need smile

Alan461

853 posts

132 months

Wednesday 1st March 2017
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Hi Joe,
Missed this thead somehow, been out to look at the tailgate and the thread you mentioned is definitely M8 x 1.25 (on my one)
Someone on here mentioned the strut is from a capri (I think)

v8s4me

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Wednesday 1st March 2017
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I've plenty of M8 nuts so I can easily check this tomorrow.

v8s4me

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220 months

Thursday 2nd March 2017
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RobXjcoupe said:
.....The thread pitch standard is 1.25mm so if you screw the mount into the casting, 12mm of screw length will be approx 9.6 turns....
I counted 8.5 turns scratchchin

v8s4me

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Friday 3rd March 2017
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To try and cure a water leak I've ended up removing the lower strut mounting brackets as well. Another little bastredfacerd of a job. The wonky studs have been re-bonded into the tailgate frame and the rusted through self tapper which screws down through the rain gutter is being replaced with stainless screws which will now run vertically through the mounting bracket (note new holes) so the whole thing can be bolted up tightly in the opposite direction to the main force on the bracket (note 1. to TVR, it's called "design" laugh) ....



I've also chamfered off the outer edges of the bracket so now they don't foul the struts. Standard on the left, modified on the right (note 2. to TVR, it's also called "design" laugh)


RobXjcoupe

3,179 posts

92 months

Friday 3rd March 2017
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The pics shows the specs for a fine and course thread. An educated guess I would say it's a 1.25 pitch as you have 8.5 turns and lets say the first mm is a chamfer. That's virtually spot on then smile


Edited by RobXjcoupe on Friday 3rd March 00:25