Is a cam upgrade worth the money?

Is a cam upgrade worth the money?

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xover

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340 posts

166 months

Thursday 30th March 2017
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I want to get more sound, power and enjoyment out of my car. The supercharger upgrade is costly so I figured maybe just get the cam done, can anyone who has gone from exhaust upgrade to cam advise on how it sounds and feels and whether they think it was money well spent?

stevieturbo

17,259 posts

247 months

Thursday 30th March 2017
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xover said:
I want to get more sound, power and enjoyment out of my car. The supercharger upgrade is costly so I figured maybe just get the cam done, can anyone who has gone from exhaust upgrade to cam advise on how it sounds and feels and whether they think it was money well spent?
Depends on the cam, depends on other mods, depends how much you're being charged and depends on how much they're charging to re-tune after the cam swap.

On it's own...a cam swap is not a cheap option really and to reap the most from it, it really benefits from other supporting mods.

xover

Original Poster:

340 posts

166 months

Thursday 30th March 2017
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I have full high flow exhaust and air filter.

Not sure how much the tune is, but cam installation and tune is around £2400 from Monkfish for example.

Who do you recommend?

Janosh

1,735 posts

167 months

Thursday 30th March 2017
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IMO - the cam is a fantastic upgrade, but not cheap so I won't comment on value for money.

You get the lopey idle, crackling overrun and depending on your cam choice more power and or more torque.

I think the stock LS2 lacks urgency and isn't overly willing to rev, a good cam will wake it up and it'll pull like it should thumbup

blue666uk

690 posts

124 months

Thursday 30th March 2017
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When you say full exhaust, I assume you mean headers as well, as they're a must to get the full benefit of the cam. Otherwise, with full exhaust and uprated cold air intake, you already appear to have most of the supporting mods, so if thats you're bag, go for it, I very much doubt you'll regret it. You could get a FAST intake as well, but thats small beer in terms of gains, over the other mods and the cam itself (though it does give some tasty engine bay bling).

Although I have a cam, I can't really comment subjectively on the difference it makes solo as I also had a lot of other stuff done at the same time, but know those that have gone that route, generally haven't regretted it, especially if you go for the more aggressive cam option.

xover

Original Poster:

340 posts

166 months

Thursday 30th March 2017
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blue666uk said:
When you say full exhaust, I assume you mean headers as well, as they're a must to get the full benefit of the cam. Otherwise, with full exhaust and uprated cold air intake, you already appear to have most of the supporting mods, so if thats you're bag, go for it, I very much doubt you'll regret it. You could get a FAST intake as well, but thats small beer in terms of gains, over the other mods and the cam itself (though it does give some tasty engine bay bling).

Although I have a cam, I can't really comment subjectively on the difference it makes solo as I also had a lot of other stuff done at the same time, but know those that have gone that route, generally haven't regretted it, especially if you go for the more aggressive cam option.
Thanks for the response.

That's right I have the headers.

So what's the deal? More low end torque and a decent idle sound?

How much did you pay to have it done and where?

monkfish1

11,040 posts

224 months

Thursday 30th March 2017
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Ideally you would want to be doing an intake manifold too.

Wyld Stallyn

2,056 posts

128 months

Thursday 30th March 2017
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I Had the Cam and Lifters Done At Monkfish with Full Exhaust Headers, CAI, Ripshifter, QuickRak and A New Rad at the same time so can't remember what the breakdown on prices were.

However Torque, Power, Drive ability and Noise (Rice Krispies - Crackles and Pops on Over-run) and Smiles Per Gallon are ALL Way UP!

Even Tiff Loved It.

Do It thumbup


xover

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340 posts

166 months

Thursday 30th March 2017
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monkfish1 said:
Ideally you would want to be doing an intake manifold too.
What is the main advantage here?

MyM8V8

9,457 posts

195 months

Thursday 30th March 2017
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xover said:
monkfish1 said:
Ideally you would want to be doing an intake manifold too.
What is the main advantage here?
+1.

Expensive power if you are paying labour to someone else to do, but well worthwhile if you can do it yourself.

Intake gives better air flow and a bit more power on top. The LS2 intake is not very good, plus you can then later install a bigger throttle body as the new intake can take bigger than stock one. If you then want more you can go for a cold air intake too.

See how you can suddenly get sucked into this modding lark? wink


SturdyHSV

10,094 posts

167 months

Thursday 30th March 2017
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MyM8V8 said:
xover said:
monkfish1 said:
Ideally you would want to be doing an intake manifold too.
What is the main advantage here?
+1.

Expensive power if you are paying labour to someone else to do, but well worthwhile if you can do it yourself.

Intake gives better air flow and a bit more power on top. The LS2 intake is not very good, plus you can then later install a bigger throttle body as the new intake can take bigger than stock one. If you then want more you can go for a cold air intake too.

See how you can suddenly get sucked into this modding lark? wink
'Not very good' is an understatement by most accounts, the LS2 intake is the worst of the LS options, which at least means maximum value for money in upgrading to a better one hehe

If going for a cam, the LS2 intake manifold will limit what you get out of the cam upgrade. Don't get me wrong, it'll still be an improvement, but less than it could have been.

Personally I've not seen much evidence that a throttle body bigger than the LS2's standard 92mm really does much at the sort of power levels you'll be at without also upgrading the heads, which is significant money in parts alone.

Your fuel consumption will be impacted as well, just in case that's a consideration.

In my experience, replacing the LS2 manifold with a FAST102 contributed to a noticeable improvement in the sense of urgency at around 4,000rpm, which I wasn't expecting.

mfp4073

1,945 posts

174 months

Thursday 30th March 2017
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xover,

If you go for these mods keep us all posted. I keep looking at the cam pac options and dreaming..if only. There seems to be so much power available in these kits.

I have quite a few mods on my car now, and would love a cam kit, but I really need to sort my brakes out first! and as ever that is big money in anyone's book.

There is also a little voice that keeps saying..you have had the car for nearly 10 years..and spent a fortune on it....when are you going to stop? the cars worth more in bits...
....umm maybe that little voice is right?.....bummer!


Wyld Stallyn

2,056 posts

128 months

Thursday 30th March 2017
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mfp4073 said:
xover,

I have quite a few mods on my car now, and would love a cam kit, but I really need to sort my brakes out first! and as ever that is big money in anyone's book.
I Still Running Standard Brakes - No Worries

blue666uk

690 posts

124 months

Thursday 30th March 2017
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xover said:
blue666uk said:
When you say full exhaust, I assume you mean headers as well, as they're a must to get the full benefit of the cam. Otherwise, with full exhaust and uprated cold air intake, you already appear to have most of the supporting mods, so if thats you're bag, go for it, I very much doubt you'll regret it. You could get a FAST intake as well, but thats small beer in terms of gains, over the other mods and the cam itself (though it does give some tasty engine bay bling).

Although I have a cam, I can't really comment subjectively on the difference it makes solo as I also had a lot of other stuff done at the same time, but know those that have gone that route, generally haven't regretted it, especially if you go for the more aggressive cam option.
Thanks for the response.

That's right I have the headers.

So what's the deal? More low end torque and a decent idle sound?

How much did you pay to have it done and where?
With the last two comments, as mentioned before, I'm not the best person to ask, mine was more a custom cam as it was a small part in a bigger set up, involving bigger fuel pumps, a big 3" 'zorst, and 2 strapping turbos to keep it company. Yes, I love the sound, and the get up and go, but it's not really the cam providing most of that biggrin

JAMESHSV1

291 posts

98 months

Thursday 30th March 2017
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Did arnie vxr sell his super charger

TonyTwoTribes

356 posts

116 months

Thursday 30th March 2017
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Yes. I have a walky wild cam /larger injectors and super charger. My wife has a normal VXR8 - I drive mine a lot lot more

stevieturbo

17,259 posts

247 months

Thursday 30th March 2017
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monkfish1 said:
Ideally you would want to be doing an intake manifold too.
Like change it to one of those supercharger shaped intakes lol

JAMESHSV1

291 posts

98 months

Thursday 30th March 2017
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A cam on its own isnt very rewarding you would need to get rid of all restrictions to make a good N/A car.Heads intake exhaust TB cai it all adds up maybe try and look for a second hand supercharger

fred bloggs

1,308 posts

200 months

Thursday 30th March 2017
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Is a cam upgrade worth the money?

Yes.

Monaro5.7

7,333 posts

179 months

Thursday 30th March 2017
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My cam upgrade sound.

https://youtu.be/fOR8Z8Dqtdc