420 SEAC restoration begins

420 SEAC restoration begins

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TVRleigh_BBWR

6,552 posts

213 months

Monday 31st May 2010
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gsx600 said:
If you have any spare bits left over at the end let us know ascould do with the odd seat etc smile

Whats the framework in the body ? Is that jst to try and hold together whilst not on the chassis? Would love that sort of covered space to do mine in, but at least I'm now working on solid concrete yikes
Hi Paul I have 2 x 350 FHC seats need a little TLC, but you can have them if you want.

JamieG

911 posts

225 months

Monday 31st May 2010
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Fab thread Phil - looking forward to seeing the next update!

Transmitter Man

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4,253 posts

224 months

Monday 31st May 2010
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Thanks Jamie,

Paul,

I'm sure I'll have some bits left over and will post as and when.

Phil
420 SEAC

aderut

163 posts

173 months

Tuesday 1st June 2010
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Is this C98ULL? or E661TDA? or another SEAC?

pwd95

8,383 posts

238 months

Tuesday 1st June 2010
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aderut said:
Is this C98ULL? or E661TDA? or another SEAC?
Have a quick look at his profile. wink

gsx600

2,740 posts

248 months

Tuesday 1st June 2010
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TVRleigh_BBWR said:
gsx600 said:
If you have any spare bits left over at the end let us know ascould do with the odd seat etc smile

Whats the framework in the body ? Is that jst to try and hold together whilst not on the chassis? Would love that sort of covered space to do mine in, but at least I'm now working on solid concrete yikes
Hi Paul I have 2 x 350 FHC seats need a little TLC, but you can have them if you want.
Cheers Leigh,would be usefull, can you keep them for a while as not a lot of space at moment with bits of body and builders bags of removed items

thanks

Paul

hallsie

2,184 posts

220 months

Tuesday 1st June 2010
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gsx600 said:
TVRleigh_BBWR said:
gsx600 said:
If you have any spare bits left over at the end let us know ascould do with the odd seat etc smile

Whats the framework in the body ? Is that jst to try and hold together whilst not on the chassis? Would love that sort of covered space to do mine in, but at least I'm now working on solid concrete yikes
Hi Paul I have 2 x 350 FHC seats need a little TLC, but you can have them if you want.
Cheers Leigh,would be usefull, can you keep them for a while as not a lot of space at moment with bits of body and builders bags of removed items

thanks

Paul
bits of body and builders bags of removed items!!!

Who have you 'got rid of' ?


gsx600

2,740 posts

248 months

Tuesday 1st June 2010
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Strangly enough my wife has not been seen for a while smile

JamieG

911 posts

225 months

Tuesday 1st June 2010
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aderut said:
Is this C98ULL? or E661TDA? or another SEAC?
Not E661 TDA - thats my old motor..

aderut

163 posts

173 months

Tuesday 1st June 2010
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The "Friday Afternoon" comment may point toward C98ULL as it was always rumoured to be "interesting" to drive.

Transmitter Man

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4,253 posts

224 months

Friday 11th June 2010
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More images of today's shoot after the chassis had been blast cleaned.

Not the stress fractures or poor quality welding - I'm not trying to be diplomatic!




More on that tube that was relocated. Nowhere near the steering column. More like making room for the oil filter but still don't really understand it.



A fewe more shots;





All corroded and or damaged tubing will be cut out and replaced over the next couple of weeks prior to prepping chassis for galvanisers.

Phil
420 SEAC

Transmitter Man

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4,253 posts

224 months

Friday 11th June 2010
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BTW, there was some serious chassis movement and stress, or should that be chassis stress and movement?

After talking with people that know a lot more about chassis than I ever will I'll be getting shot of my recently purchase 'after market' rear tie bars and going down the Lotus route to enable the rear suspension to work like it should!

I'll post photo's after this chassis work has been completed so you'll all see what's been done.

Phil
420 SEAC

Transmitter Man

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4,253 posts

224 months

Friday 11th June 2010
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BTW 2.

My mother can weld better than the YTS that worked on this chassis.

Phil
420 SEAC

Waynester

6,338 posts

250 months

Saturday 12th June 2010
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What tie bars Phil, SH? If so I might be interested...

combine

3,114 posts

229 months

Saturday 12th June 2010
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Very interesting stuff on here , would also like to see the Lotus trailing arms as I have aftermarket arms too. A bit scary seeing the cracks in the chassis , ignorance is bliss !

Transmitter Man

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4,253 posts

224 months

Saturday 12th June 2010
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Hi Guys,

Yes, the SH bars Wayne.

I think you know Barnet fitted them some months back and the car has done few miles since then.

Yours for half of the new price if you want them?

Hi Combine, you still need to let me know how you fitted your 'removeable' SEAC fog lamp perspex covering as I'll need that info soon!

I'll be at BBWF on the Saturday but unfortunately in the daily hack.

Phil
420 SEAC

combine

3,114 posts

229 months

Saturday 12th June 2010
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Phil , look forward to a long chat and a run out in the blue seac if you are up for it at the wedgefest .

Wedg1e

26,803 posts

265 months

Saturday 12th June 2010
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combine said:
Very interesting stuff on here , would also like to see the Lotus trailing arms as I have aftermarket arms too. A bit scary seeing the cracks in the chassis , ignorance is bliss !
That's the thing; Lotus used trailing arms on the Esprit with the driveshaft acting as the top link (copied for the Tasmin). They then added the top link which improved matters. TVR's solution seems to have been the A-frame lower arm, which they presumably hoped would, by having two location points on the chassis, be a neater fix. The presence of the tie-bar (not effective as an anti-torque bar as it's located too close to the driveshaft's centre of rotation to have any effect) proves - I think - that it was still crap. I presume Phil intends to add a top link WITH the A-frame so it'll be interesting to see whether that's a better compromise.

The fractures around the welds look to be stress or impact related rather than poor welds; the welds themselves look intact apart from the one that's cracked ACROSS the weld - which is probably not due to stress in the HAZ which the earlier one might be.
With clean mild steel and a 2mm wall it's fairly difficult to NOT get a decent MIG weld... it may look like pigeon-poo but can still be structurally sound. I know: my welding's dire but I've built lead-lined doors weighing over a tonne and they've never failed. Er, yet.... whistle


Transmitter Man

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4,253 posts

224 months

Saturday 12th June 2010
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Hi Guys,

I'm definately up for that run out in your SEAC Combine.

Did you drill right through the nose cone on that perspex fog/driving lamp cover on your car as you said it's detachable? I need to know as I wish to add this feature to my rebuild.

Ian,

Some of the welds really are not so hot. My limited knowledge of welding is that you not only need to pentrate the metal with enough grunt from the mig but once started one normally completes in one go and to see that aesthetic 'welders ripple' all round the weld. This effect is missing on a large minority of the welds on my chassis so maybe the wick was not up enough on the mig or said person needed more practice.

BTW, nice to know even Cerb chassis rust out:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/TVR-CERBERA-4-2-V8-CHASSIS-A...

Re the Lotus mod. The guys went some way with Henry's car but I've instructed them to do whatever's required to implement the Lotus arms as best they can.

Phil
420 SEAC


shpub

8,507 posts

272 months

Saturday 12th June 2010
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Wedg1e said:
TVR's solution seems to have been the A-frame lower arm, which they presumably hoped would, by having two location points on the chassis, be a neater fix. The presence of the tie-bar (not effective as an anti-torque bar as it's located too close to the driveshaft's centre of rotation to have any effect) proves - I think - that it was still crap.
Try driving an A frame car hard without the tie bars and you'll really know what the meaning of crap is! The A frame moves almost as much as the trailing arm without it.