HID lights and MOT
Discussion
Oldandslow said:
It doesn't really matter, my concern is that you are treated differently in NI than in GB.
Man get over it, we have been the test country for decades, photo driving licensing MOT , R plates.Just wait in a few years time we will have to change to electric shock cars if you break the speed limit by 2mph
LOL
Colin l
Renault-
If you don't try to change things then they never will. It may change nothing but at least I tried.
Oldandslow said:
Where such systems are fitted, they must work
Really? This is the crucial phrase from my very first post. It's from VOSA's MOT test manual. It all turns on this. If your car has washers they must work. If your car does not have washers then it passes.If you don't try to change things then they never will. It may change nothing but at least I tried.
Just seen this thread and wanted to chime in as its that time of year when I have to swap bulbs.
I emailed the DVLNI and queried what happened with cars that were imported with factory xenons and no washers. This was their reply
''Vehicles fitted with High Intensity Discharge (HID) headlights are required to be fitted with headlamp washers by the manufacturer when new under Type Approval Regulations, the technical requirements of which are contained in United Nations Regulations UNECE Regulation 48.
Prior to 2009 where vehicles entered into service for the first time in Northern Ireland (as in GB) without the required Type Approval Certificate, and prior to registration, must undergo a Single Vehicle Approval (SVA) test. As in Type Approval Regulations where HID headlights are fitted they must also have headlamp washers and self levelling systems fitted.
From the 1st February 2012 under the 2010/48 EU Directive these became testable items as part of the 'MOT' test, and where missing or defective a certificate must be refused.''
If you have any drafts of letters you sent to local MP or DVLNI complaints I'd be happy to send them again
I emailed the DVLNI and queried what happened with cars that were imported with factory xenons and no washers. This was their reply
''Vehicles fitted with High Intensity Discharge (HID) headlights are required to be fitted with headlamp washers by the manufacturer when new under Type Approval Regulations, the technical requirements of which are contained in United Nations Regulations UNECE Regulation 48.
Prior to 2009 where vehicles entered into service for the first time in Northern Ireland (as in GB) without the required Type Approval Certificate, and prior to registration, must undergo a Single Vehicle Approval (SVA) test. As in Type Approval Regulations where HID headlights are fitted they must also have headlamp washers and self levelling systems fitted.
From the 1st February 2012 under the 2010/48 EU Directive these became testable items as part of the 'MOT' test, and where missing or defective a certificate must be refused.''
If you have any drafts of letters you sent to local MP or DVLNI complaints I'd be happy to send them again
Controversial Topic.
After emailing DVLA I received a response below regarding the fitting of Wash Jets
with HID Lighting:
Vehicles fitted with High Intensity Discharge (HID) headlights are required
to be fitted with headlamp washers by the manufacturer when new under Type
Approval Regulations, the technical requirements of which are contained in
United Nations Regulations UNECE Regulation 48.
Prior to 2009 where vehicles entered into service for the first time in
Northern Ireland (as in GB) without the required Type Approval Certificate,
and prior to registration, must undergo a Single Vehicle Approval (SVA)
test. As in Type Approval Regulations where HID headlights are fitted they
must also have headlamp washers and self levelling systems fitted.
From the 1st February 2012 under the 2010/48 EU Directive these became
testable items as part of the 'MOT' test, and where missing or defective a
certificate must be refused.
I then received this response to another email:
As explained below in relation to the MOT, it is simply that it is a legal requirement. Headlamp wipers are not a requirement only washers and self leveling.
The Technical Requirements are specified in United Nations Regulations UNECE Reg. 48 (http://www.unece.org/trans/main/wp29/wp29regs41-60.html). You may wish to research this regulation in further detail on the INTERNET.
I referred to this document and it still doesn't explain WHY HID Lights have to cleaner than standard lighting. I have emailed these Muppets at UNECE and still await a response. Probably unable to answer the question because they don't know their ar5es from their elbows.
After emailing DVLA I received a response below regarding the fitting of Wash Jets
with HID Lighting:
Vehicles fitted with High Intensity Discharge (HID) headlights are required
to be fitted with headlamp washers by the manufacturer when new under Type
Approval Regulations, the technical requirements of which are contained in
United Nations Regulations UNECE Regulation 48.
Prior to 2009 where vehicles entered into service for the first time in
Northern Ireland (as in GB) without the required Type Approval Certificate,
and prior to registration, must undergo a Single Vehicle Approval (SVA)
test. As in Type Approval Regulations where HID headlights are fitted they
must also have headlamp washers and self levelling systems fitted.
From the 1st February 2012 under the 2010/48 EU Directive these became
testable items as part of the 'MOT' test, and where missing or defective a
certificate must be refused.
I then received this response to another email:
As explained below in relation to the MOT, it is simply that it is a legal requirement. Headlamp wipers are not a requirement only washers and self leveling.
The Technical Requirements are specified in United Nations Regulations UNECE Reg. 48 (http://www.unece.org/trans/main/wp29/wp29regs41-60.html). You may wish to research this regulation in further detail on the INTERNET.
I referred to this document and it still doesn't explain WHY HID Lights have to cleaner than standard lighting. I have emailed these Muppets at UNECE and still await a response. Probably unable to answer the question because they don't know their ar5es from their elbows.
I wouldnt call it controversial.
I'd call it totally f
king stupid. It has to be the single most stupid rule out there. And made worse by the fact testers are actually enforcing it, while other more important issues pass !!
Ive seen cars pass with dangerously corroded brake discs. Ive seen cars pass with damaged or squashed brake pipes. And they fail a car for not having something ever fitted to the car in the first place ?
Trailer sockets are supposed to be tested.....they dont even do that and just pass them all.
There really is no common sense with this one at all, and testers are only showing their own stupidity by enforcing such nonsense rules when ignoring important stuff.
I'd call it totally f
king stupid. It has to be the single most stupid rule out there. And made worse by the fact testers are actually enforcing it, while other more important issues pass !!Ive seen cars pass with dangerously corroded brake discs. Ive seen cars pass with damaged or squashed brake pipes. And they fail a car for not having something ever fitted to the car in the first place ?
Trailer sockets are supposed to be tested.....they dont even do that and just pass them all.
There really is no common sense with this one at all, and testers are only showing their own stupidity by enforcing such nonsense rules when ignoring important stuff.
Oldandslow said:
Possibly a sweeping generalisation but a lot of the blinders are aftermarket kits fitted in headlight units never intended for HID's. These are replaced with proper bulbs for the MOT and so are never going to be stopped by changes to the test.
Some are, but an awful lot of cars have very badly aligned headlights. it would seem that the MOT men overlook this aspect, or simply dont test it properly.Plus the quality of a lot of replacement bulbs is terrible too. Simply fitting a new bulb often does throw headlamp alignment off, sometimes by a huge amount.
I find it so much easier to deal with MOT's on the mainland, less chance of finding a 'jobs worth' over there, can make an appointment on teh same day. Also much easier to re tax vehicles via the DVLA website, done in two mins, thinking this cant be done in NI (I could be wrong).
Also why do they fail cars here with 3d number plates, when they are legal in the UK,
Also why do they fail cars here with 3d number plates, when they are legal in the UK,
Markh said:
I find it so much easier to deal with MOT's on the mainland, less chance of finding a 'jobs worth' over there, can make an appointment on teh same day. Also much easier to re tax vehicles via the DVLA website, done in two mins, thinking this cant be done in NI (I could be wrong).
Also why do they fail cars here with 3d number plates, when they are legal in the UK,
The MOT here isnt difficult, it just this particular rule they seem to have a thing about.Also why do they fail cars here with 3d number plates, when they are legal in the UK,
I'd sooner trust an MOT here than on the mainland.
And no, we cannot tax cars online here yet.
And the laws regarding plates are UK wide. Whether or not they pass or fail an MOT is a different matter, and up to each tester, even though the rules are pretty clear.
stevieturbo said:
I wouldnt call it controversial.
I'd call it totally fking stupid. It has to be the single most stupid rule out there. And made worse by the fact testers are actually enforcing it, while other more important issues pass !!
Ive seen cars pass with dangerously corroded brake discs. Ive seen cars pass with damaged or squashed brake pipes. And they fail a car for not having something ever fitted to the car in the first place ?
Trailer sockets are supposed to be tested.....they dont even do that and just pass them all.
There really is no common sense with this one at all, and testers are only showing their own stupidity by enforcing such nonsense rules when ignoring important stuff.
MOT testers HAVE TO enforce it. If they don't, and are found out by an inspector, they will be given penalty points. Just like on your driving licence, when you hit the maximum, you lose your licence which in THEIR case means they lose their job!I'd call it totally f
king stupid. It has to be the single most stupid rule out there. And made worse by the fact testers are actually enforcing it, while other more important issues pass !!Ive seen cars pass with dangerously corroded brake discs. Ive seen cars pass with damaged or squashed brake pipes. And they fail a car for not having something ever fitted to the car in the first place ?
Trailer sockets are supposed to be tested.....they dont even do that and just pass them all.
There really is no common sense with this one at all, and testers are only showing their own stupidity by enforcing such nonsense rules when ignoring important stuff.
And if you think inspectors don't regularly inspect their work, be it a pass OR a failed test...THINK AGAIN!
yfo866 said:
MOT testers HAVE TO enforce it. If they don't, and are found out by an inspector, they will be given penalty points. Just like on your driving licence, when you hit the maximum, you lose your licence which in THEIR case means they lose their job!
And if you think inspectors don't regularly inspect their work, be it a pass OR a failed test...THINK AGAIN!
Yes, just as they HAVE TO enforce other items...genuine safety items that either get missed or ignored.And if you think inspectors don't regularly inspect their work, be it a pass OR a failed test...THINK AGAIN!
Like the old car I was looking at the other day after it passed MOT, with a huge bubble in one of the rear brake flexi's which even a blind ma would have seen.
Which in comparison to HID/washers...really the requirement for washers are the most idiotic part of the current test here, especially when it is know that some factory cars do not have them, and it is not a requirement for them to do so on the mainland via VOSA.
stevieturbo said:
Yes, just as they HAVE TO enforce other items...genuine safety items that either get missed or ignored.
Like the old car I was looking at the other day after it passed MOT, with a huge bubble in one of the rear brake flexi's which even a blind ma would have seen.
Which in comparison to HID/washers...really the requirement for washers are the most idiotic part of the current test here, especially when it is know that some factory cars do not have them, and it is not a requirement for them to do so on the mainland via VOSA.
We've all encountered half blind MOT testers. I remember taking my old Land Rover for it's first test after sitting in a field for six years. The bloke passed all four tyres. I can only assume he only looked at them at eye level from the side and seeing the big chunky bits looked no further. Had he examined the part that sits on the road, he would have found one with about 6mm of tread, one with less than 1.6mm, one where the tread was JUST visible and one completely bald!Like the old car I was looking at the other day after it passed MOT, with a huge bubble in one of the rear brake flexi's which even a blind ma would have seen.
Which in comparison to HID/washers...really the requirement for washers are the most idiotic part of the current test here, especially when it is know that some factory cars do not have them, and it is not a requirement for them to do so on the mainland via VOSA.
The same garage passed my mate's car a few years later after charging him over £400 for the privilege and then less than a week later his rear suspension came straight through the bodywork dumping the body straight onto the tyre!
Testers like that should have their licence revoked there and then!
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