Radar Detectors to be banned

[Kiwi XTR2]

jaybkay said:

. . . The Police will lie and cheat to avoid a court hearing . . .

Yeah because each and every one of them would risk their careers over some small ticket.

Are all the pharmacys shut or do you just refuse to take your medication ?

[jaybkay]

Zaphod said:

jaybkay said:

Just had a $50 cheque from the local council for costs awarded to me in the High Court over a pay and display ticket - what a good feeling - especially as it probably cost the council a couple of thousand to argue their case.

Great, so you're the reason my rates keep going up. Cheers pal.

Depends if you think the council should obey the law, in this case they didn't. The vehicle wasn't mine and I didn't park it.

The council actually got off very lightly - if I told the same lies to the court it would be called perjury, costs should have been in the thousands.

[jaybkay]

Kiwi XTR2 said:

jaybkay said:

. . . The Police will lie and cheat to avoid a court hearing . . .

Yeah because each and every one of them would risk their careers over some small ticket.

Are all the pharmacys shut or do you just refuse to take your medication ?

Do you really believe every ticket issued is correct? Anyway I was really refering to the Police Infringement Bureau and the the staff who are either ignorant of the law or told to ignore it.

With the biased laws in this country when you have a ticket for an offence not committed you have to "write and request a hearing" within 28 days.
I personally have seen seven or eight letters from the PIB saying " very sorry, your request for a hearing was received just outside the 28 days, and you will now have to pay the fine with costs" Yet all these hearing requests were written and sent well within the 28 days.
You then have to fill in a Form 57 at the court (more time wasted) which puts the fine on hold. Chances are the PIB will finally agree to send another Reminder Notice, which you again have to reply to (more time wasted). At this point the Police frequently give up, sometimes you actually get a hearing date, and then the Police will give up a few days before the actual court date.
If the Police actually though they had sufficient evidence they wouldn't cave in so easily against people who take them on. Yes they do have quotas, yes they do hand out unjustified tickets, yes they rely on unreliable speed measuring equipment.

[Esprit]

Well I guess I've still got a little faith. I've sent my letter off querying the law and will await a reply. I've no intention to be obstructive YET, although if they refuse to see sense and see fit that I still must pay the fine for what amounts to a ridiculous interpretation of the law on their part, THEN I'll be digging the heels in. I'll gladly stand up in court and say my piece as I genuinely believe I've been caught in a situation where the law is impossible to apply without endangering myself and other road users.

At that point I'll make sure I drag the whole thing out, but I'm sure with the pace of our ridiculous justice system in our country, even with me acting slow, I'll not be the slow party, the courts will be.

But anyway, I wrote them such a lovely letter (thanks for the input Graham), I fail to see how they could refute my logic.

[Kiwi XTR2]

jaybkay said:

Do you really believe every ticket issued is correct?

Not at all. Sometimes they will make a mistake, sometimes they won't be sure, sometimes an individual officer will lie, and very occasionally an individual will be living in their own little reality that is very different to the one the rest of us experience.

Anyway you said

jaybkay said:

. . . The Police will lie and cheat to avoid a court hearing . . .

If they do that in court or in sworn papers it is worse than when you do it as an individual. It is not just perjury but also malfeasance.

[Zaphod]

jaybkay said:

Depends if you think the council should obey the law, in this case they didn't. The vehicle wasn't mine and I didn't park it.

The council actually got off very lightly - if I told the same lies to the court it would be called perjury, costs should have been in the thousands.

When I had an incorrect ticket issued last year, I phoned up, made an appointment to see them and popped round and had a nice chat with them. Pointed out the error of their ways and all was sorted out amicably and without and hassle or cost. If more people actually bothered to talk to each other rather than relying ont he law this country would be a much nicer place. bah humbug.

[Kylie]

Esprit said:

Well I guess I've still got a little faith. I've sent my letter off querying the law and will await a reply. I've no intention to be obstructive YET, although if they refuse to see sense and see fit that I still must pay the fine for what amounts to a ridiculous interpretation of the law on their part, THEN I'll be digging the heels in. I'll gladly stand up in court and say my piece as I genuinely believe I've been caught in a situation where the law is impossible to apply without endangering myself and other road users.

At that point I'll make sure I drag the whole thing out, but I'm sure with the pace of our ridiculous justice system in our country, even with me acting slow, I'll not be the slow party, the courts will be.

But anyway, I wrote them such a lovely letter (thanks for the input Graham), I fail to see how they could refute my logic.

Sorry just butting in...

Geday George, just catching up, hope your feeling better. I told Simon about your fine for the sticker he was ranting and angry, its shit really isnt it. We havent got the front plate attached to the Esprit yet as we wanted to do the same thing. We wait in anticipation with your outcome. I am thinking its not good but worth a try.
I have already looked at getting new plates re issued. My old ones have holes drilled in wrong places and dont want to drill new holes in the loti so getting new plates. But will wait another week or so till were back home.
Hope you have had a great xmas in wine land down south!!!

Back on topic..........

[Esprit]

Yeah... bit of a downer on the cops to be honest.... on the trip home yesterday from Hawkes Bay, nearly got my car confiscated and licence suspended..... tell you what, I was about an inch away from assaulting a Police Officer too, little hitler wound me right up.

[uberscruff]

Esprit said:

Well I guess I've still got a little faith. I've sent my letter off querying the law and will await a reply. I've no intention to be obstructive YET, although if they refuse to see sense and see fit that I still must pay the fine for what amounts to a ridiculous interpretation of the law on their part, THEN I'll be digging the heels in. I'll gladly stand up in court and say my piece as I genuinely believe I've been caught in a situation where the law is impossible to apply without endangering myself and other road users.

At that point I'll make sure I drag the whole thing out, but I'm sure with the pace of our ridiculous justice system in our country, even with me acting slow, I'll not be the slow party, the courts will be.

But anyway, I wrote them such a lovely letter (thanks for the input Graham), I fail to see how they could refute my logic.

I queried this in some detail a while ago, and unfortunately the law is rock solid on this - there is absolutely no wriggle room for cars without the physical space to fit the standard plates. The law is an ass, but that won't suprise you

[Esprit]

uberscruff said:

I queried this in some detail a while ago, and unfortunately the law is rock solid on this - there is absolutely no wriggle room for cars without the physical space to fit the standard plates. The law is an ass, but that won't suprise you

Well then I shall be going to court.

[uberscruff]

Esprit said:

uberscruff said:

I queried this in some detail a while ago, and unfortunately the law is rock solid on this - there is absolutely no wriggle room for cars without the physical space to fit the standard plates. The law is an ass, but that won't suprise you

Well then I shall be going to court.

I wish you the best of luck with that, but a judge can only apply the law as it stands and there isn't a lot of room for him/her to interpret it in your favour (no matter how strong your arguement is).

A better long-term approach would be to write a well worded letter to Harry Duynhoven (perhaps on behalf of the Lotus club) explaining how the law is inappropriate in so many cases. He has a Porsche 356 himself so is quite likely to be sympathetic.

The law needs to change, and pressure from car clubs is the only real way to make it happen.