Supercar ONLY paddock @ The Hare, Roxwell. Sat 2nd May.
Discussion
911mick said:
yeah nice one. A focus RS500 1 of only of 101 in the UK. So rarer than
most cars there,but f
k it,its only a focus. Won't bother again.
Relax fella. I was in a Lexus isf (1 of just over 200) and it would just be 'a Lexus' to most. He was just using a focus as an example to make a point.most cars there,but f
k it,its only a focus. Won't bother again. I'll pop not one more time (this weekend was my first time) and if this persists I won't be back. I don't care about giving my car a place where it is visible. I just want to go to a chilled meet and see unique and a variety of cars and speak with the owners.
I'll be trying a number of Essex based monthly meets and sticking with one or two. This one won't be in that list if this nonsense persists.
Agree that if the owner is on the site he should do this himself and speak to the attendees to gauge opinion. Pretty sure he will be reading this thread.
Stu
911mick/stuno1, for what it's worth , I took an interest in both yr cars, along with the Chevy, the Beetle,the XJS convertible, the MK2 orange Escort,the GT3RS,and equally loved the fact that the 650S had a kiddie seat in the passenger seat.Its that sort of mix that makes a car meet ( rather than a car show) for me..
I think the management think people only want to see Supercars where in reality it's the mix that all of is bread and butter guys go for.
I had 3 different people (none of which I know) stop and ask me about the Subaru yesterday, and I wasn't even in it. All because they had followed it on here and had taken an interest.
People who love cars, love cars no matter what. Those who are only interested in the latest Supercar off the generic Supercar production line I fear may be somewhat blinkered. If 10 new Huracans or 458s turn up, they will all be the same as the next one.
However I also think we should step back and take a look at how this will actually affect us regular folk who go:
The gravel area holds about 25 cars or so. Those spaces will only be held until 9am. Are we actually going to see 25 proper so called Supercars before 9am? I highly doubt it.
So therefore the spaces will be open as usual thereafter.
So I suspect many normal folk arriving at 9am or shortly after will have a nice space saved for them amongst the 5 or 6 generic Supercars Haha.
I had 3 different people (none of which I know) stop and ask me about the Subaru yesterday, and I wasn't even in it. All because they had followed it on here and had taken an interest.
People who love cars, love cars no matter what. Those who are only interested in the latest Supercar off the generic Supercar production line I fear may be somewhat blinkered. If 10 new Huracans or 458s turn up, they will all be the same as the next one.
However I also think we should step back and take a look at how this will actually affect us regular folk who go:
The gravel area holds about 25 cars or so. Those spaces will only be held until 9am. Are we actually going to see 25 proper so called Supercars before 9am? I highly doubt it.
So therefore the spaces will be open as usual thereafter.
So I suspect many normal folk arriving at 9am or shortly after will have a nice space saved for them amongst the 5 or 6 generic Supercars Haha.
Edited by frayz on Sunday 5th April 08:57
I think only those cars (be them super or not) that turn up at season start on a wet and cold morning should be let in again! ;-)
But in all seriousness, it is very hard to decide what is 'special' or a 'supercar'' as that means so many different things to different people. I love seeing the mix of cars and would rather have the 2nd or third 458 or 993 parked somewhere else so that different types of cars get a space. That way you have a variety. If another 650s owner got there before me then I would park away from the pub as they made more of an effort. Seeing a lovely escort coworth was better than the 4th 911 imho. And I'd rather teach my son about why they are special.
But in all seriousness, it is very hard to decide what is 'special' or a 'supercar'' as that means so many different things to different people. I love seeing the mix of cars and would rather have the 2nd or third 458 or 993 parked somewhere else so that different types of cars get a space. That way you have a variety. If another 650s owner got there before me then I would park away from the pub as they made more of an effort. Seeing a lovely escort coworth was better than the 4th 911 imho. And I'd rather teach my son about why they are special.
To put it in perspective, I'm not going to get too shirty with a landlord who provides a nice venue to look at some great cars together with lovely free coffee and pastries - regardless of whether it's out of a love for cars or a desire to fill tables.
But:
I'd love to know his thinking. Is his aim to gather as much generic eye candy as possible for the casual observer to gush over on their way to order breakfast or is he attempting to befriend as many wealthy people as possible because he views them as his preferred client base? It can't be the latter - the food isn't that expensive - so it must be the former. Isn't this misguided? Surely the majority of people who attend are car lovers who have as much or greater interest in a mint mk2 escort or rare rs500 or isf than in a generic Gallardo or F430 (random examples). Does he not realise that this reorganisation is likely to put them off?
It's his pub but all of this is illogical, captain.
I really wish there were an Essex pub called the tortoise which fancied hosting petrolhead meets on the 1st Saturday of the month. I'd go.
(and Scousefella - you really should tell them...)
But:
I'd love to know his thinking. Is his aim to gather as much generic eye candy as possible for the casual observer to gush over on their way to order breakfast or is he attempting to befriend as many wealthy people as possible because he views them as his preferred client base? It can't be the latter - the food isn't that expensive - so it must be the former. Isn't this misguided? Surely the majority of people who attend are car lovers who have as much or greater interest in a mint mk2 escort or rare rs500 or isf than in a generic Gallardo or F430 (random examples). Does he not realise that this reorganisation is likely to put them off?
It's his pub but all of this is illogical, captain.
I really wish there were an Essex pub called the tortoise which fancied hosting petrolhead meets on the 1st Saturday of the month. I'd go.
(and Scousefella - you really should tell them...)
Edited by macky17 on Sunday 5th April 10:08
911mick said:
yeah nice one. A focus RS500 1 of only of 101 in the UK. So rarer than
most cars there,but fk it,its only a focus. Won't bother again.
I wasn't hsving a dig at you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!most cars there,but f
k it,its only a focus. Won't bother again. I just picked a car thst I thought illustrated a common family car. Jeeeeeeeeesuuuuuuuus some people sure are touchy on here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You don't get all this at Bicknacre and to be honest most other meets I have attended, just turn up, park, chat, eat, look at a good mix of cars, that's how all meets should be.
Let's face it if you went to a pub for breakfast and was told sorry your cars not good enough to park here would you still go in and buy food!
Let's face it if you went to a pub for breakfast and was told sorry your cars not good enough to park here would you still go in and buy food!
Having been to the majority of these for the last 4 years I'm still not sure where all these people are that get turned away! To be honest unless the weathers glorious you can usually get a space (right up to when the doors open for food, I don't know what happens for the next 45 minutes as inside eating).
As per others, I'm more interested in oddities and rarities e.g the Escort Cossie, the lovely Lancia, etc than the latest eye candy. Last one of last year I spent more time talking to the M3 V8 engined 1-series owner than looking at so called Supercars (which everyone is going to struggle to define). I love the diversity not the money and long may it continue to be as diverse but I fear that this may we'll be the beginning of the end of a great meet. Most of the people I speak to use it as a social event first and looking at cars second !
As per others, I'm more interested in oddities and rarities e.g the Escort Cossie, the lovely Lancia, etc than the latest eye candy. Last one of last year I spent more time talking to the M3 V8 engined 1-series owner than looking at so called Supercars (which everyone is going to struggle to define). I love the diversity not the money and long may it continue to be as diverse but I fear that this may we'll be the beginning of the end of a great meet. Most of the people I speak to use it as a social event first and looking at cars second !
As they say it's a victim of it's own success.
I think this is wrong on so many levels.
At the end of the day there are people that have been going there for years and buying breakfast and thereby supporting the pub, not just turning up for the free coffee and cakes. Are these people now going to have to take second place because it's deemed their car "isn't good enough?"
The other point (of many) is: what denotes a supercar? I pity the person that has to make that decision on the day. If you get refused entry because your car is not considered to be a "supercar" are you going to stop and pay for a breakfast. F***** no.
In the summer I have got there at 8:15am and the car parks have been nearly full without half of it being sectioned off.
Also, there are some great cars there that are not supercars such as the oval window beetle and Sue's Austin seven cab and morris 8 and many, many others.
One of the things I like about the event is the common interest in cars in general. Is there now going to be a class system imposed.
Supercar or not, get up early and take your place in the queue. Being a petrol head isn't just about Fezzas, Lambos and other such unattainable exotica.
I think this is wrong on so many levels.
At the end of the day there are people that have been going there for years and buying breakfast and thereby supporting the pub, not just turning up for the free coffee and cakes. Are these people now going to have to take second place because it's deemed their car "isn't good enough?"
The other point (of many) is: what denotes a supercar? I pity the person that has to make that decision on the day. If you get refused entry because your car is not considered to be a "supercar" are you going to stop and pay for a breakfast. F***** no.
In the summer I have got there at 8:15am and the car parks have been nearly full without half of it being sectioned off.
Also, there are some great cars there that are not supercars such as the oval window beetle and Sue's Austin seven cab and morris 8 and many, many others.
One of the things I like about the event is the common interest in cars in general. Is there now going to be a class system imposed.
Supercar or not, get up early and take your place in the queue. Being a petrol head isn't just about Fezzas, Lambos and other such unattainable exotica.
It's effectively passive advertising , and good luck to him on that . If it makes people more aware of his business than all is good, irrespective of whether they buy a 10 quid brekkie or not. I for one wasn't aware of the place til going to a meet a couple of years back, but have taken the family there since. All joking and hissy fits aside , it's just a shame he hasn't got more parking space.
Edited by sjc on Sunday 5th April 19:24
Seems to me that certainly everyone here (Pistonheads) has the same idea.
We go for a social, bit of breaky and enjoy the special built cars rather than the so called Supercar candy. As do I, and I can't disagree with a single comment here. Personally I poured over the Paul Stephens 2.7 RS recreation for ages and didn't give a second glance to either McLarens to be honest.
I honestly don't think the management want to upset anyone and think they want to keep it the great event that it is, I'm just not so sure they know the right way to go about it.
As said though, how much will this REALLY affect any of us?
Unless a sea of the latest exotica arrives at double early doors, I doubt it will change anything.
We go for a social, bit of breaky and enjoy the special built cars rather than the so called Supercar candy. As do I, and I can't disagree with a single comment here. Personally I poured over the Paul Stephens 2.7 RS recreation for ages and didn't give a second glance to either McLarens to be honest.
I honestly don't think the management want to upset anyone and think they want to keep it the great event that it is, I'm just not so sure they know the right way to go about it.
As said though, how much will this REALLY affect any of us?
Unless a sea of the latest exotica arrives at double early doors, I doubt it will change anything.
Good luck to everyone who attends these meets and long may they continue, I have a great deal of respect for many that go.
However, every thread about the Hare meets always seems to descend into this political them and us nonsense and I just can't raise any enthusiasm for it. I will also stick to the likes of Bicknacre where everyone gets to park wherever they like for however long they fancy.
I want to have fun, not abide by rules, get enough of that the rest of the time.
However, every thread about the Hare meets always seems to descend into this political them and us nonsense and I just can't raise any enthusiasm for it. I will also stick to the likes of Bicknacre where everyone gets to park wherever they like for however long they fancy.
I want to have fun, not abide by rules, get enough of that the rest of the time.
Would someone care to define a 'supercar' please. It is
A. high performance car from a 'exotic' manufacturer with a 'super' cost, say £100K+ (i.e Ferrari/Lambo etc)
B. high performance car from 'any' manufacturer with a top speed in excess of, say 150 mph
C. high performance vintage or classic performance car, again from any manufacturer.
A. high performance car from a 'exotic' manufacturer with a 'super' cost, say £100K+ (i.e Ferrari/Lambo etc)
B. high performance car from 'any' manufacturer with a top speed in excess of, say 150 mph
C. high performance vintage or classic performance car, again from any manufacturer.
RobIpswichUK said:
. Last one of last year I spent more time talking to the M3 V8 engined 1-series owner than looking at so called Supercars (which everyone is going to struggle to define). I love the diversity not the money and long may it continue to be as diverse but I fear that this may we'll be the beginning of the end of a great meet. Most of the people I speak to use it as a social event first and looking at cars second !
Whaaaaaat? Somebody's got an m3 v8 1 series? How'd I miss that?! I've only been to three of these, once the other day and twice last year, each time though with my daughter who was aged 14, 16 and 20 months each visit. Suffice to say getting round and chatting to people has been difficult! I'm still going to show up for the next one I think. (sans child) I reckon the 'paddock' isn't going to fill up by 9am with super cars. Surely only a handful will make it before the deadline then the rest of us will fill it up.I don't really want to join the supercar only debate but I will say this, how on earth does one judge a supercar? It's been mentioned a few times already that 'Ferrari' is a supercar, really? Surely not all? There was a bloke in an e46 m3 CSL last year whom I'm sure would be directed to the standard parking zone, yet if he desired, he could buy a pov-spec 360 Modena auto/convertible for what his CSL is worth and be left with change and show up the month after and be directed to the supercar paddock! (No offence to auto/convertible Modena owners, but used that example as they seem the most affordable)
Somebody said it perfectly before, the criteria seems to be a car that looks expensive to people who know nothing about cars.
Edited by kdsl on Monday 6th April 12:39
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