Our own TV&S car storage unit?

Our own TV&S car storage unit?

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masermartin

1,629 posts

176 months

Tuesday 21st April 2015
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I'd also be interested, again, cost permitting.

1. Sidekickdmr
2. SimonJH
3. John_S4x4
4. Crombers
5. Skinny
6. Miner49er
7. masermartin

sidekickdmr

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5,065 posts

205 months

Tuesday 21st April 2015
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This does seem to have a good, steady flow of interest, and that only from the people that frequent the TV&S sub forum on PH alone.

Leave it with me, Ill take another look into it over the next few weeks.

Total loss

2,138 posts

226 months

Friday 24th April 2015
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How far away would be too far for most ? 25 miles by road South West of Wokingham too far ? I know of somewhere suitable with the possibility of a sub-let of part of the building for the PH collective.

SimesJH

768 posts

150 months

Friday 24th April 2015
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My current storage place is ~ 20 miles from Crowthorne and a 30 minute drive on a good day.

However, I cannot get access to it at weekends and this can be a problem for me.

To me, location is secondary, in relative terms, to availability, cost and convenience.

But it would be preferable to have somewhere within 15-20 minutes of home. Not essential, though.

For my own needs, I will potentially require storage for my motorhome and two cars. Certainly my motorhome and one car as a minimum.

sidekickdmr

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5,065 posts

205 months

Friday 24th April 2015
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Location wise, I wouldn't say it has to be immediately surrounding Wokingham, but as this is going to be regular car storage for some (me included), Id say 25 miles is pushing it, however, for the right place (Secure) and price it could be a possibility. PM me if you want smile

Size/price wise, I was looking for something along these lines:

http://www.rightmove.co.uk/commercial-property-to-...

2500 square foot

Metal construction and shutter

Remote but secure location, with residents on site

Central door, with enough room for cars to line either size with central driveway.

I reckon, at a guess you could fit 7 cars lined up each side, so 14 in total?

£13,500 PA, £1125 a month, between 14 cars that's £80 a month. Ok bills and insurance on top, but would also be space outside for extra car/motorhome parking.

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2,138 posts

226 months

Friday 24th April 2015
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SimesJH said:
My current storage place is ~ 20 miles from Crowthorne
Potential place 22 miles from Crowthorne High St.

Very secure, armed guards biggrin
The building could take any size vehicle, motorhomes included, with AFAIK 24/7 access.
Some friends have one of the other buildings & use it as a workshop/car storage, as yet I don't know cost's. Total area, anything from 2,000 to 20,000 sq ft

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226 months

Friday 24th April 2015
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sidekickdmr said:
£13,500 PA, £1125 a month, between 14 cars that's £80 a month. Ok bills and insurance on top, but would also be space outside for extra car/motorhome parking.
+ Business Rates ? which at 48% (?) would be another £6500

sidekickdmr

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5,065 posts

205 months

Friday 24th April 2015
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Total loss said:
Potential place 22 miles from Crowthorne High St.

Very secure, armed guards biggrin
The building could take any size vehicle, motorhomes included, with AFAIK 24/7 access.
Some friends have one of the other buildings & use it as a workshop/car storage, as yet I don't know cost's. Total area, anything from 2,000 to 20,000 sq ft
Does sound good, is it a dedicated building or shared use?

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sidekickdmr said:
£13,500 PA, £1125 a month, between 14 cars that's £80 a month. Ok bills and insurance on top, but would also be space outside for extra car/motorhome parking.
+ Business Rates ? which at 48% (?) would be another £6500
I need to look into this more but AFIK if you are using it for personal use, and not a business, and can prove this to the council, there are no rates to pay.

You don't pay business rates on self storage units.

I just need to call the council and find out for sure.


masermartin

1,629 posts

176 months

Friday 24th April 2015
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sidekickdmr said:
£13,500 PA, £1125 a month, between 14 cars that's £80 a month. Ok bills and insurance on top, but would also be space outside for extra car/motorhome parking.
On top of that you've got to add business rates (I'm not sure how that would work, but the council will want something rates-wise for the property even if it's empty), cost of security set up, Insurance (as you've mentioned) etc.

Would be good to get an understanding of what the other costs would be on top of the rent I think.

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2,138 posts

226 months

Saturday 25th April 2015
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sidekickdmr said:
I need to look into this more but AFIK if you are using it for personal use, and not a business, and can prove this to the council, there are no rates to pay.

You don't pay business rates on self storage units.

I just need to call the council and find out for sure.
You may not think you pay rates on self storage, somebody has to, its a business, maybe its just incorporated in the storage charges ? I hope you are right & there is a 'personal/private use' get out.

ilock76

7 posts

107 months

Saturday 25th April 2015
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Hello ALL piston head members, New member here! Just joined today!

For the last few months I have also been looking at alternative car storage options. Whilst there are plenty of units around, cost vary massively. However, putting my business head on, and aware of the various potential issues with a huge consortium of guys and gals clubbing together to find somewhere suitable to keep their pride and joys.

my findings have come up with this:-

Bike storage £20+VAT per week – including power to trickle charge
Car Storage £45+VAT per week – Including power to trickle charge

Short and long term option would be available, either as an up front payment or direct debit. Made via an application like you would do for a membership to services/gym/subscriptions etc

CCTV – possible to have a camera focused directly on your vehicle and an APP to remote access and view your stored vehicles at any time over the web.

Site CCTV camera access to members who subscribe via a brand new website specifically for this business.

Secure key storage.

Remote access via access control fobs/passes and prior arrangement to book the vehicles collection and return. ( reduces potential traffic or queues and disputes to take your car/bike out on busy days

Insurance – the site would have the traditional buildings insurance and limited contents for accident damage, spillages during movement etc – Each owner would need to insure their own vehicles, insured in a secure lock up at the given address.


Additional services could also include

Valet and detailing services
MOT/ Tax reminders
MOT/Service bookings
Bodyshop repair and restoration services.

Ideally I would be looking for a minimum of 15 vehicles up to 30

I personally have 5 bikes and two cars that I would like to have stored and protected in this way.

Berkshire/Bracknell/Camberley areas are where I have been looking and in discussions with agents.

ANY THOUGHTS - COMMENTS OR FEEDBACK ? Just an idea – starter for 10!!

SimesJH

768 posts

150 months

Monday 27th April 2015
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I wouldn't be looking for on-site valeting services as I'd like to do it all myself and for the place to be where I could get to easily and spend time with my cars throughout the year, undercover and with a coffee machine, sofa and packet of biscuits.

I do like the idea of CCTV and being able to monitor my cars via my phone.

The charges I pay are £130/month (undercover, heated, insured and with regular mechanical checks) for my motorhome. This excludes access at weekends, so is rather inconvenient in that regard but otherwise excellent.

The other car I have in mind for storage is with a specialist until next year, but I would be looking at £180/month at a more local storage company with weekend access and facilities such as valeting and off-site servicing / maintenance if required.

For me, having both together (they've never met yet) plus having another of my cars joining them for the autumn and winter months would work really well. I can store the last one with my motorhome for £120/month, for example.

Cost and convenience are equal for me. Security is paramount, as it will be for all of us.


muppets_mate

771 posts

215 months

Monday 27th April 2015
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I think I was one of the people who posted about storage a while ago that sparked off this thread. I'm still looking and am potentially interested. Following this thread with interest.



ilock76

7 posts

107 months

Monday 27th April 2015
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A couple of interesting ideas there,

My view would be to open an account with a local reputable company who can collect and deliver the vehicles for maintenance, MOT's etc. I have one in mind that offeres both Car and commecial servicing and support. Ive been a customer of theirs for 5 years now and all work i have had doen has been very good and not expensive. The customers could then benefit from the account discounts and rates.

so serviceing and MOT's I can have covered
Secuirty - with good internet access - its not difficult to have CCTV and smart mobile Aps to views your rented bays, keeping a remote eye on things. and the a generic site level CCV access via a secure webpage for members only. who can then have a look and see how busy the site is with car being collected, dropped off, washed etc. collectively between subscribing menbers we can all assist with the secuirty and remote viewing.

Business rates and Insurance would absolutely apply here, especially with water rates, electricity etc and not to forget insurance cover. all these factors would be built into the weekly/monthly fees.

does anyone else have any questions, feedback or suggestions?

how many vehicles are we looking at here potentially ?

ilock76

7 posts

107 months

Wednesday 29th April 2015
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hell,

ok so i spoke witha few agents and saw a place in camberley yesterday, being presented with a H&S and insurance related issue around vehicles stored with "fuel" and "oil" ( combustbles )

a real pain... however i am seeing a few more and hopefully wil find a unit owner who may be a bit more flexible

how can you come and collect vehicles regulary if the vehicles have no fuel or are dry.... this isnt practicle..

sidekickdmr

Original Poster:

5,065 posts

205 months

Thursday 30th April 2015
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Surely one of the biggest uses for industrial units is car mechanics and such, they must get around it somehow, I've never been asked to drain my car before taking it in for some work.

Sirius

94 posts

205 months

Thursday 30th April 2015
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Hi All,

Long time lurker, I am local to Camberley/Wokingham and work in H&S. If you have any issues with that side of things I would be happy to advise fellow car enthusiasts. As pointed out above most industrial units will have some sort of combustible material in them, it might just be that a few fire extinguishers etc need purchasing and a Fire Risk Assessment carrying out to appease them.

Fairly sure you will have to pay business rates, I'm also involved in a similarish storage place on the South Coast - and haven't been able to get round that. A shame as the rates are getting up for as expensive as the rent.

SimesJH

768 posts

150 months

Thursday 30th April 2015
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I started looking at a unit on the below link last year for two of my vehicles.

This, for me anyway, is an ideal location although I've not checked the site personally so cannot comment on the all-important security aspect.

Might be worth a call to see if there's anything suitable?

http://www.ninemilerideindustry.com/

ilock76

7 posts

107 months

Thursday 30th April 2015
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@sidekickdmr - your right, when taking cars in for work at workshops, unless wheels are removed and or left on ramps, most garages take the cars outside in the car park for this reason. When i used to work for main dealers, most vehicles if they were drivable or movable were all left outside at night.

ilock76

7 posts

107 months

Thursday 30th April 2015
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Hi Sirius, thanks for you input and offer for H&S. there are definately ways around this, the huge benefit for any landlord would be that vehicles would be in and out on a weekly/bi weekly basis ( wekend normaly i would imagine. along with full fire alarm / extinguisher solutions and the correct level of prevenative measure to satisfy insurances. of course how far do you go before adding all the rates, rent and cover together before it becomes a lttle too expensive per vehicle to store.

for me the key thing is finding a location... currently lookingat one in Staines at the moment that looks interesting and although very very easy to get to, you also would never know it was there... so promisein if the costs where manageable.

the site could take 25-35 vehicles, plenty of parking and moving space etc.

once i have a sort list of potentials locations, i shall keep you all posted and inlist on any H&S assistance if and when it comes to it.

thanks you