Surrey CC A30 speed limits Windlesham to Bagshot
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UTH said:
This f
king country. Are we really seeing hundreds and hundreds of deaths on all of these roads every single day that means we have no choice but to turn the entire road network into a procession of 50 mph average speed zombies?!
It really doesn't feel too long until it's 20mph in every single place that can even see a house, and everywhere else is 50mph average speed and enjoyment from driving is simply a story we tell our grandchildren.
Never mind the lack of enjoyment - think about the costs. king country. Are we really seeing hundreds and hundreds of deaths on all of these roads every single day that means we have no choice but to turn the entire road network into a procession of 50 mph average speed zombies?! It really doesn't feel too long until it's 20mph in every single place that can even see a house, and everywhere else is 50mph average speed and enjoyment from driving is simply a story we tell our grandchildren.
If speed limits are very low and folks stick to them, it takes more time to get to places,
which makes it more expensive for the 99.999 % of folks who don't crash their cars.
National minimum wage will soon be over £11 an hour. National average wage must
be over £20 an hour.
If I can save an hour a week by driving a bit faster, I am over £20 better off in saved time.
For reference, over 500,000 people die in the UK every year. Less than 2,000 are on the roads.
Less than 0.4 %, in other words.
Road speed control isn't a good way to control road deaths, better quality driving is.
It doesn't end there. My neighbourhood forum and Runnymede BC where I live are looking to bring in 20MPH limits, road narrowing and dedicated cycle paths in the Runnymede area and some of this will affect the A30 down to the Maranello roundabout at Egham.
There's a referendum and all residences have been leafletted to encourage residents to vote YES to the plans on Wednesday, despite many residences not being informed that there's a neighbourhood forum and not having a chance to object to the plans at an earlier stage.
If you live in Runnymede and have the opportunity to vote, I would encourage you to go to your polling station on Wednesday 13th December and vote NO.
https://www.runnymede.gov.uk/planning-policy/neigh...
There's a referendum and all residences have been leafletted to encourage residents to vote YES to the plans on Wednesday, despite many residences not being informed that there's a neighbourhood forum and not having a chance to object to the plans at an earlier stage.
If you live in Runnymede and have the opportunity to vote, I would encourage you to go to your polling station on Wednesday 13th December and vote NO.
https://www.runnymede.gov.uk/planning-policy/neigh...
Driving home from work this morning after the Christmas break, just exiting Sunningdale towards Bagshot and just noticed that whole dead straight stretch is now 40 mph!!
So Egham to Sunningdale was 60mph and changed to 40 mph a few months back and now the other side of Sunningdale is now 40mph!
So Egham to Sunningdale was 60mph and changed to 40 mph a few months back and now the other side of Sunningdale is now 40mph!
Just a heads up that speed limit changes to the A30 between Bagshot & Camberley are now in the process of being undertaken, along with the change to The Maultway.
The 50 / 40 signs for the limit change at the garage near Penny Hill Park were removed on Friday afternoon, along with the 40 & 50 repeaters from the occasional lamposts on the same stretch between Waitrose & American Golf in both directions.
New 30 signs have been installed just before where the first pub is on the approach down into Bagshot.
Looks like the rest of the new signage is due to go up shortly making that entire stretch 40. Once completed the remaining 50 stretch from American Golf to Camberley will then be changed to 40 along with the same drop on The Maultway.
It's worth noting that some of the new SHBC councillors in the area did consider some changes to the proposals (ie keep 30 through Bagshot, but 50 remained on the rest of the A30 to Camberley) that were pushed through last year by local Conservatives before the local elections (before most of them were voted out) but the amount that the local Conservatives had already spent on getting the proposals sped through before the local elections, including planning and even paying up front in advance for all the new signage before it had even been approved meant it would have cost far more £££ to cancel / change / amend.
It appears likely average cameras will be installed to monitor the speeds along the entire stretch of the A30 at some point this year as Surrey County Council (still Conservative) have used their, recently approved last year at government level, new partial devolved powers to enable them to overrule / push through certain decisions regarding planning (building / highways, etc) made at local level (SHBC - Lib Dem) if they believe they're not in the best interests of the community
The 50 / 40 signs for the limit change at the garage near Penny Hill Park were removed on Friday afternoon, along with the 40 & 50 repeaters from the occasional lamposts on the same stretch between Waitrose & American Golf in both directions.
New 30 signs have been installed just before where the first pub is on the approach down into Bagshot.
Looks like the rest of the new signage is due to go up shortly making that entire stretch 40. Once completed the remaining 50 stretch from American Golf to Camberley will then be changed to 40 along with the same drop on The Maultway.
It's worth noting that some of the new SHBC councillors in the area did consider some changes to the proposals (ie keep 30 through Bagshot, but 50 remained on the rest of the A30 to Camberley) that were pushed through last year by local Conservatives before the local elections (before most of them were voted out) but the amount that the local Conservatives had already spent on getting the proposals sped through before the local elections, including planning and even paying up front in advance for all the new signage before it had even been approved meant it would have cost far more £££ to cancel / change / amend.
It appears likely average cameras will be installed to monitor the speeds along the entire stretch of the A30 at some point this year as Surrey County Council (still Conservative) have used their, recently approved last year at government level, new partial devolved powers to enable them to overrule / push through certain decisions regarding planning (building / highways, etc) made at local level (SHBC - Lib Dem) if they believe they're not in the best interests of the community
Sigh. Whenever pressed the council say that the speed limit reductions are for road safety purposes and that they have the full support of the police. But the only driver I've ever met who is in favour of speed limit reductions is a friend who is an absolute menace behind the wheel, constantly swerving about because she's messing with her phone or distracted by her dog. She has to take her car for bodywork repairs on an annual basis, and her car constantly has scrapes and bits of trim hanging off. I feel sorry for her poor Lexus and her long-suffering husband!
The new signage for 40 from Bagshot to The Jolly Farmer and partially up The Maultway is now installed / live.
Although one bit of good news (for the time being). The positioning of the new 40 / 50 signage that's been installed at The Jolly Farmer indicates the remainder of the A30 remains 50 (although it's evidently set for review / lowering later in the year).
Although one bit of good news (for the time being). The positioning of the new 40 / 50 signage that's been installed at The Jolly Farmer indicates the remainder of the A30 remains 50 (although it's evidently set for review / lowering later in the year).
It seems that across the UK councils just do this without anyone pushing back. The cost of doing this is insane and I see speed limits reduced on roads that I have not seen an accident on in 20 years.
It seems too easy to say 'Ooo some cars go a bit too fast, I think, so we should reduce the speed limit, it'll save lives, can we do it?'
I was up north this weekend so did a lot of driving on the M1. Roads were pretty quiet but every so often there are speed cameras so you can never risk going a bit quicker when it is clear, so everyone just dawdles along.
Roads I used to love driving are now just 'gone'.
Incidentally, I did catch a bit on radio 2 last week and, although I may have got this wrong, in Wales a lot of the local councils are applying to have their 20mph speed limits reinstated back to 30 mph.
It seems too easy to say 'Ooo some cars go a bit too fast, I think, so we should reduce the speed limit, it'll save lives, can we do it?'
I was up north this weekend so did a lot of driving on the M1. Roads were pretty quiet but every so often there are speed cameras so you can never risk going a bit quicker when it is clear, so everyone just dawdles along.
Roads I used to love driving are now just 'gone'.
Incidentally, I did catch a bit on radio 2 last week and, although I may have got this wrong, in Wales a lot of the local councils are applying to have their 20mph speed limits reinstated back to 30 mph.
I attempted to go from Virginia Water to the other side of Camberley yesterday and there were long queues on the A30 getting into and out of Camberley - all due to a lane closure and temporary traffic lights. There was some sort of digger on view with a flashing amber light on top, but no workmen anywhere to be seen... I ended up taking the M3 back to Bagshot which was much faster despite also having lane closures in place.
While on the M3 I saw a car with the registration OO20 CAT. I thought Os were not allowed in number plates due to potential confusion with zeroes. The Os looked exactly the same as the 0. What gives?
While on the M3 I saw a car with the registration OO20 CAT. I thought Os were not allowed in number plates due to potential confusion with zeroes. The Os looked exactly the same as the 0. What gives?
UTH said:
This fking country. Are we really seeing hundreds and hundreds of deaths on all of these roads every single day that means we have no choice but to turn the entire road network into a procession of 50 mph average speed zombies?!
It really doesn't feel too long until it's 20mph in every single place that can even see a house, and everywhere else is 50mph average speed and enjoyment from driving is simply a story we tell our grandchildren.
Slight over reaction, but pressing on...king country. Are we really seeing hundreds and hundreds of deaths on all of these roads every single day that means we have no choice but to turn the entire road network into a procession of 50 mph average speed zombies?! It really doesn't feel too long until it's 20mph in every single place that can even see a house, and everywhere else is 50mph average speed and enjoyment from driving is simply a story we tell our grandchildren.
Who are the people who are proposing these changes, they are, themselves, local residents, why do they think it's a good idea?
We are proposing these changes ourselves - it isn't the French imposing these changes on the English, so why are we doing it? The people proposing the changes have got to drive on the roads themselves. So why?
As a resident of Bagshot, it was unfortunately the older residents that proposed the 30mph limit on the A30. There was a bit of backlash however the new speed limit was introduced a few weeks ago. It hasn't made a slightest bit of difference to the speed of people along the A30, probably because it was a totally pointless exercise!
jacko84 said:
As a resident of Bagshot, it was unfortunately the older residents that proposed the 30mph limit on the A30. There was a bit of backlash however the new speed limit was introduced a few weeks ago. It hasn't made a slightest bit of difference to the speed of people along the A30, probably because it was a totally pointless exercise!
I was going to say the same thing: absolutely no one is paying any attention to the new speed limit.TheRainMaker said:
jacko84 said:
As a resident of Bagshot, it was unfortunately the older residents that proposed the 30mph limit on the A30. There was a bit of backlash however the new speed limit was introduced a few weeks ago. It hasn't made a slightest bit of difference to the speed of people along the A30, probably because it was a totally pointless exercise!
I was going to say the same thing: absolutely no one is paying any attention to the new speed limit.Frimley111R said:
TheRainMaker said:
jacko84 said:
As a resident of Bagshot, it was unfortunately the older residents that proposed the 30mph limit on the A30. There was a bit of backlash however the new speed limit was introduced a few weeks ago. It hasn't made a slightest bit of difference to the speed of people along the A30, probably because it was a totally pointless exercise!
I was going to say the same thing: absolutely no one is paying any attention to the new speed limit.I find I'm just so paranoid these days, assume that any car I approach is a cop, or there's going to be a van around every corner. Not that I really need to be, I've only got 3 points which expire this year, and I don't do many miles really, but it does ruin my fun in my bright green/yellow fun cars that I'm basically too paranoid to actually have any 'fun' in them.
UTH said:
Frimley111R said:
TheRainMaker said:
jacko84 said:
As a resident of Bagshot, it was unfortunately the older residents that proposed the 30mph limit on the A30. There was a bit of backlash however the new speed limit was introduced a few weeks ago. It hasn't made a slightest bit of difference to the speed of people along the A30, probably because it was a totally pointless exercise!
I was going to say the same thing: absolutely no one is paying any attention to the new speed limit.I find I'm just so paranoid these days, assume that any car I approach is a cop, or there's going to be a van around every corner. Not that I really need to be, I've only got 3 points which expire this year, and I don't do many miles really, but it does ruin my fun in my bright green/yellow fun cars that I'm basically too paranoid to actually have any 'fun' in them.
jacko84 said:
UTH said:
Frimley111R said:
TheRainMaker said:
jacko84 said:
As a resident of Bagshot, it was unfortunately the older residents that proposed the 30mph limit on the A30. There was a bit of backlash however the new speed limit was introduced a few weeks ago. It hasn't made a slightest bit of difference to the speed of people along the A30, probably because it was a totally pointless exercise!
I was going to say the same thing: absolutely no one is paying any attention to the new speed limit.I find I'm just so paranoid these days, assume that any car I approach is a cop, or there's going to be a van around every corner. Not that I really need to be, I've only got 3 points which expire this year, and I don't do many miles really, but it does ruin my fun in my bright green/yellow fun cars that I'm basically too paranoid to actually have any 'fun' in them.
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