??? M25 JCT 10-15 Digital Cameras Going Live 15th Feb 08 ???
Discussion
Anyone else heard this or had an email forwarded from friends about it? Any resident BiB care to confirm or crush the rumour? 
Summary of email I got:
Have just been informed that as and from the 15th February 08 all the Speed Cameras in the Variable Speed Limit section of the M25 near Heathrow Airport (JCT 10-15) are going Digital and the activation limit is being lowered.
They are currently the older film type cameras and set at 90mph when the Variable Limit Signs are not in operation.
The new digital cameras are going to be set at the normal 10% 0f the speed limit + 2mph when the signs are not in use i.e. national speed limit. I can’t confirm the activation limit when the signs are set (variable limits showing) but believe it would be the same 10% + 2mph of the speed shown by the sign at that time.
Summary of email I got:
Have just been informed that as and from the 15th February 08 all the Speed Cameras in the Variable Speed Limit section of the M25 near Heathrow Airport (JCT 10-15) are going Digital and the activation limit is being lowered.
They are currently the older film type cameras and set at 90mph when the Variable Limit Signs are not in operation.
The new digital cameras are going to be set at the normal 10% 0f the speed limit + 2mph when the signs are not in use i.e. national speed limit. I can’t confirm the activation limit when the signs are set (variable limits showing) but believe it would be the same 10% + 2mph of the speed shown by the sign at that time.
Edited by john_r on Friday 1st February 08:29
As they have equipped sections of the M25 with Specs, and the number of gantry cameras in crease why take the risk, the M25 has enough accidents daily to allow them to camera the whole thing.
As to the Heathrow setup, thats a massive multi lane set-up so it would make sense to restrict it, if only so we spend more time looking for cameras, hence the rear end shunts increase, then the accident rate goes up they, lower the limit further we all slow down, shunts become so minor avopiding reports they look better. never mind the green issues.
Dave
As to the Heathrow setup, thats a massive multi lane set-up so it would make sense to restrict it, if only so we spend more time looking for cameras, hence the rear end shunts increase, then the accident rate goes up they, lower the limit further we all slow down, shunts become so minor avopiding reports they look better. never mind the green issues.
Dave
Snoopers, Road Angels e.t.c. can't detect which of these cameras have been switched to "on", or which have been loaded with film e.t.c.
My Navman seems to pick up totally random sets of gantries but omits around 70% of them. My mothers Road Angel goes bonkers at all of them, but it is down to the manafacturer as to how they have programmed the hardware to respond.
The M25 camera's were originally designed to enforce temporary speed limits (40/50/60) but it seems that this is now changing to all limits... (hence the 80mph guideline in the next few weeks)
My Navman seems to pick up totally random sets of gantries but omits around 70% of them. My mothers Road Angel goes bonkers at all of them, but it is down to the manafacturer as to how they have programmed the hardware to respond.
The M25 camera's were originally designed to enforce temporary speed limits (40/50/60) but it seems that this is now changing to all limits... (hence the 80mph guideline in the next few weeks)
My snooper can tell if gatsos are operational, the cameras on the M25 are gatsos, why can't it tell if they're operational? I may or may not have passed the majority of the cameras on the M25 at 3 figures apart from the gantries which set off my snooper. Touch wood no tickets yet! So untill proved otherwise, as far as I'm concerned my snooper can acurately determine which cameras are active.
Mine is sat nav with in built camera locater, although it probably needs updating...
I don't know what Snooper you have, but I had one once, and it went off at every electrical "thing" nearby. i.e Garage Doors, Shop Doors, Traffic Lights etc.
I still don't see how any device, no matter sophisticated will tell you what camera has been pre loaded with film?
I don't know what Snooper you have, but I had one once, and it went off at every electrical "thing" nearby. i.e Garage Doors, Shop Doors, Traffic Lights etc.
I still don't see how any device, no matter sophisticated will tell you what camera has been pre loaded with film?
The Gatso men literally go around each week and take out film from "x" Gatso camera's moving them to "y". So unless your sat nav / gps / snooper has an in built film detector that is able to detcet film through the metal casing, I can't understand how yours would know...
(Only around 10-15% of all Gatso's are ever operational - I think I have gone past 2 in the past year)
(Only around 10-15% of all Gatso's are ever operational - I think I have gone past 2 in the past year)
Gatsos work using radar. The radar is only operational when there is film in the camera. Therefore it is not the film which my detector picks up it is the radar.
The means I can tell which gatsos are operational.
Systems like your mothers work off gps which is why they have to be updated so they cantain the latest data regarding camera locations. Therefore they warn the user about every camera they pass whether they are operational or not.
The means I can tell which gatsos are operational.
Systems like your mothers work off gps which is why they have to be updated so they cantain the latest data regarding camera locations. Therefore they warn the user about every camera they pass whether they are operational or not.
Detectors technology for cameras's was dropped allong time ago, many companies still offer them but its old technology.
Most modern Camera "detectors" are actually GPS tracking units that warn you of a location, and relevant information e.g. speed, type, etc.. this is why many navigation companies have added speed camera locations on as all it is is a data base.
These Databases come from several companies from Cyclops to Enigma, many now are pan Eurpean and now so many of us pay subscriptions they are actually monitoring the planning applications for camera locations, the Police and safe speed sites for there lists enabling "risk Zones" for mobile camera sites, and of course checking on the positions we report when we press the "add location button"
As to the Laser Detection offered, this is litterally a warning that a ticket is comming, the time it takes the 2 or 3 pulse guns to record your speed is so small you'l never react in time. If you want protection against these you need to fit a secondary device. Often marketed as Garage door openers/laser jammers, these operate on the same frequency and will usually cause an error code or jam the gun for 3-8seconds allowing you to dab the brakes, they will then go to recycle and sut down for 60 seconds to allow a reading. I used to run this combination and its a real license saver for those moments of is this dual carrage way a 40 - 50 - 60 - 70mph zone? However remember interfering with police transmition of any kind is illegal.
If i am correct the UK is currenltly moving from 3 pulse to 2 pulse laser guns, and I believe we no longer utilise Radar technology as it is to easily detectable
Hope this helps, there will be a formal exam and spot tests be prepared.
I used to work in the vehicle electronics industry
Dave
Most modern Camera "detectors" are actually GPS tracking units that warn you of a location, and relevant information e.g. speed, type, etc.. this is why many navigation companies have added speed camera locations on as all it is is a data base.
These Databases come from several companies from Cyclops to Enigma, many now are pan Eurpean and now so many of us pay subscriptions they are actually monitoring the planning applications for camera locations, the Police and safe speed sites for there lists enabling "risk Zones" for mobile camera sites, and of course checking on the positions we report when we press the "add location button"
As to the Laser Detection offered, this is litterally a warning that a ticket is comming, the time it takes the 2 or 3 pulse guns to record your speed is so small you'l never react in time. If you want protection against these you need to fit a secondary device. Often marketed as Garage door openers/laser jammers, these operate on the same frequency and will usually cause an error code or jam the gun for 3-8seconds allowing you to dab the brakes, they will then go to recycle and sut down for 60 seconds to allow a reading. I used to run this combination and its a real license saver for those moments of is this dual carrage way a 40 - 50 - 60 - 70mph zone? However remember interfering with police transmition of any kind is illegal.
If i am correct the UK is currenltly moving from 3 pulse to 2 pulse laser guns, and I believe we no longer utilise Radar technology as it is to easily detectable
Hope this helps, there will be a formal exam and spot tests be prepared.
I used to work in the vehicle electronics industry
Dave
Edited by Dave B S3 on Saturday 2nd February 09:44
Dave,
Your correct in what you say but there is a difference between radar and lazer. The hand held speed guns use lazer and you get very little warning if one is fired at you I should know its happened to me twice and didn't get a ticket either time.
The Gatsos use radar and you generally get about 20 second warning before a live camera.
I should also point out that radar detectors such as my snooper are of no use when it comes to specs which measure your speed over a set distance and truvelos which use metal strips burried in the road.
Your correct in what you say but there is a difference between radar and lazer. The hand held speed guns use lazer and you get very little warning if one is fired at you I should know its happened to me twice and didn't get a ticket either time.
The Gatsos use radar and you generally get about 20 second warning before a live camera.
I should also point out that radar detectors such as my snooper are of no use when it comes to specs which measure your speed over a set distance and truvelos which use metal strips burried in the road.
phillvr6 said:
Dave,
Your correct in what you say but there is a difference between radar and lazer. The hand held speed guns use lazer and you get very little warning if one is fired at you I should know its happened to me twice and didn't get a ticket either time.
The Gatsos use radar and you generally get about 20 second warning before a live camera.
I should also point out that radar detectors such as my snooper are of no use when it comes to specs which measure your speed over a set distance and truvelos which use metal strips burried in the road.
One thing Ive noticed is that detection of the Gantry mounted Gatso's seems to be much less, when i used a detector, however these days with the number of gantrys etc on the M42 M25 ..... there so close together there's no real way of knowing.Your correct in what you say but there is a difference between radar and lazer. The hand held speed guns use lazer and you get very little warning if one is fired at you I should know its happened to me twice and didn't get a ticket either time.
The Gatsos use radar and you generally get about 20 second warning before a live camera.
I should also point out that radar detectors such as my snooper are of no use when it comes to specs which measure your speed over a set distance and truvelos which use metal strips burried in the road.
Ive been considering cruise control for a while and with the growing use of specs and the 80mph advisory max on the 25 its looking a good idea. Sit back and relax..... Baaahhaaahaha
I think the best combo is a GPS based locator and a "Garage door opener" I had this for 4yrs never got a ticket, sold the laser unit when I changed cars and got a ticket within 6weeks! Doh!
phillvr6 said:
Gatsos work using radar. The radar is only operational when there is film in the camera. Therefore it is not the film which my detector picks up it is the radar.
The means I can tell which gatsos are operational.
Systems like your mothers work off gps which is why they have to be updated so they cantain the latest data regarding camera locations. Therefore they warn the user about every camera they pass whether they are operational or not.
That makes sense and I see where your coming from.The means I can tell which gatsos are operational.
Systems like your mothers work off gps which is why they have to be updated so they cantain the latest data regarding camera locations. Therefore they warn the user about every camera they pass whether they are operational or not.
However, as far as I am aware, the gatso's radar is always switched to "on" regardless of whether it is loaded with film or not. Therefore, the gatso will always trigger/flash when a car goes through it at excess speed, but not necessarily go on to prosecute that motorist. Only if a camera has film will the motorist then be prosecuted.
By the nature of my job, I regularly drive through gatso's at speed, and as a matter of course, they always go off. I also recall countless occasions in the past where either I have (mistakenly) or I have seen others, set off gatso camera's. But because they were not loaded, nothing ever happened.
I am almost 99% certain that gatso's all operate like this, otherwise, there would seemingly be no deterrant in hacking through them as so few of them would ever go off. In fact, they used to set that little gatso on the A3 bottle neck (West Hill in Wandworth) to flash randomly, even when there were no cars there, to dish out a "wake up call" to cars entering the A3 out of London gping to other way.
Were going to have to agree to differ, I may or may not been through contless gatsos which did not register on my snooper at above the limit and never had a ticket.
There are also gatsos which one week will set off the snooper and the next week won't.
Based on the past 5 years using the snooper I'll continue to trust it as it hasn't done me wrong yet.
Also the only gantries on the M25 I've seen flash have been the ones that have set my snooper off.
There are also gatsos which one week will set off the snooper and the next week won't.
Based on the past 5 years using the snooper I'll continue to trust it as it hasn't done me wrong yet.
Also the only gantries on the M25 I've seen flash have been the ones that have set my snooper off.
I thought that the M25 camera's were slightly different to your average yellow boxed gatso's. I am not 100% sure on the setup / process adopted by the M25 camera's so you may well be right, in fact I have asked questions before regarding how they operate / how active they are.
But in terms of your average yellow box gatso at the side of the road, I am certain they work as I mentioned.
We can discuss it in depth on the 16th
But in terms of your average yellow box gatso at the side of the road, I am certain they work as I mentioned.
We can discuss it in depth on the 16th
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