G40R has arrived - Woohoo!
Discussion
Krismc said:
Ive got the demo/prototype G111ETA (orange one) which belongs to Ginetta and ive had it 8 weeks as my car is being in for repairs from the build and its disgraceful the amount of fumes that get in the cabin on this one, its actually a hazard as far as im concerned.
After 30-40 mins in the car, head aches and the stink of fuel. I can see several areas that are the reason behind this, the exhaust is tucked under the rear of the car, so the rear diffuser sucks the fumes back into the boot. The way the seal around the steering is located allows air from the engine bay in and the biggest of all there is no fresh air feed into the cabin, the air is fed from the engine bay.
I think they are probably working on a fix in the back ground as its certainly not the right level of fumes for a road car, its fair enough for a track car but not a road car.
Mines a little better but I need to give it a few more miles before I see what its like.
I'd be interested to hear what these repairs are...After 30-40 mins in the car, head aches and the stink of fuel. I can see several areas that are the reason behind this, the exhaust is tucked under the rear of the car, so the rear diffuser sucks the fumes back into the boot. The way the seal around the steering is located allows air from the engine bay in and the biggest of all there is no fresh air feed into the cabin, the air is fed from the engine bay.
I think they are probably working on a fix in the back ground as its certainly not the right level of fumes for a road car, its fair enough for a track car but not a road car.
Mines a little better but I need to give it a few more miles before I see what its like.
My front clam developed what looks like a stress fracture from a production process, only small, and I'm looking to protect front with a vinyl wrap, so I'm not too bothered. On a hoon and hone type thing next month to give the car a proper shake down, I'll then check the car over again.
So regarding fumes, best advice currently is to just have the windows down then, if you cannot get fresh air in and you cannot prevent fume ingress then you're pretty stuffed. Agree that as a road car it's not great, seems quite literally a race car with licence plates, which was all that I was promised. Sunday drive car, would not envy a commute.
Congratulations on the car - looks awesome! I picked up a 2012 model from Mole Valley about a year ago so you must be the person they mentioned earlier this year who was ordering one from the factory.
Good to hear I'm not the only one who gets a few petrol fumes in the cabin but to be honest it's never really an issue. Interested to know whether the wing makes much difference (I don't have one but was considering ordering one from the factory).
@jellinek: I had exactly the issue you're describing with the power loss whilst running. Found that if I turned the ignition off then back on again I could restart the engine (power stayed on throughout). Couldn't work out what the issue was so the car went back to the factory and had new throttle body actuators and a few other bits and bobs which seems to have done the trick. Meant I was without the car for a while but it was during winter anyway and can't complain when everything seems to have been fixed!
Good to hear I'm not the only one who gets a few petrol fumes in the cabin but to be honest it's never really an issue. Interested to know whether the wing makes much difference (I don't have one but was considering ordering one from the factory).
@jellinek: I had exactly the issue you're describing with the power loss whilst running. Found that if I turned the ignition off then back on again I could restart the engine (power stayed on throughout). Couldn't work out what the issue was so the car went back to the factory and had new throttle body actuators and a few other bits and bobs which seems to have done the trick. Meant I was without the car for a while but it was during winter anyway and can't complain when everything seems to have been fixed!
That'll be me, I'm down at Mole Valley on Saturday for a few photos of the car for the dealership and a chinwag about the G (dealership have ordered one due for October).
Further problems found, fuel fill up cut off is overly eager, real power of the engine is rpm 5k+, no rear demister.
Add to the list, still, great car.
Further problems found, fuel fill up cut off is overly eager, real power of the engine is rpm 5k+, no rear demister.
Add to the list, still, great car.
Well, one problem solved, had the radiator repaired, £65 rather £450 for a new one, guy who repaired it said there were a couple of dozen pinholes in the welds on the side that has the inlets, commented that he'd seen a lot of similar problems on alloy radiators. Bit disappointing though considering the car is only a couple of years old.
Anyhow, it was easy to take out and easy to refit, no more than 15 mins each way, filled it back up with coolant, but only managed a couple of litres till the header tank was full, looks like I've got an air lock from the bottom outlet to the head, now can't figure out how to get rid of it, should I just go out for a spin and see what happens.... At tickover the header tank and pipes into the radiator heat up, but not the radiator or outlet pipe, maybe I just haven't left it running long enough...... Wonder where the engine temp sensor is, ran her for 5 minutes almost up to normal temperature but didn't want to go to hot....
Google here I come,...
JP
Anyhow, it was easy to take out and easy to refit, no more than 15 mins each way, filled it back up with coolant, but only managed a couple of litres till the header tank was full, looks like I've got an air lock from the bottom outlet to the head, now can't figure out how to get rid of it, should I just go out for a spin and see what happens.... At tickover the header tank and pipes into the radiator heat up, but not the radiator or outlet pipe, maybe I just haven't left it running long enough...... Wonder where the engine temp sensor is, ran her for 5 minutes almost up to normal temperature but didn't want to go to hot....
Google here I come,...
JP
JP said:
Well, one problem solved, had the radiator repaired, £65 rather £450 for a new one, guy who repaired it said there were a couple of dozen pinholes in the welds on the side that has the inlets, commented that he'd seen a lot of similar problems on alloy radiators. Bit disappointing though considering the car is only a couple of years old.
Anyhow, it was easy to take out and easy to refit, no more than 15 mins each way, filled it back up with coolant, but only managed a couple of litres till the header tank was full, looks like I've got an air lock from the bottom outlet to the head, now can't figure out how to get rid of it, should I just go out for a spin and see what happens.... At tickover the header tank and pipes into the radiator heat up, but not the radiator or outlet pipe, maybe I just haven't left it running long enough...... Wonder where the engine temp sensor is, ran her for 5 minutes almost up to normal temperature but didn't want to go to hot....
Google here I come,...
JP
Did you drain the whole system, if not perhaps it didn't require much to refill?Anyhow, it was easy to take out and easy to refit, no more than 15 mins each way, filled it back up with coolant, but only managed a couple of litres till the header tank was full, looks like I've got an air lock from the bottom outlet to the head, now can't figure out how to get rid of it, should I just go out for a spin and see what happens.... At tickover the header tank and pipes into the radiator heat up, but not the radiator or outlet pipe, maybe I just haven't left it running long enough...... Wonder where the engine temp sensor is, ran her for 5 minutes almost up to normal temperature but didn't want to go to hot....
Google here I come,...
JP
Old trick of pulling a hose off furthest from the header tank should let it flow if not full.
£450 for a rad! At least its removal sounds a cinch - many are not.
Friend has just bought a new alloy 3 row for his Corvette and that was less than 200 quid.
Took her out for a spin, nicely warmed up and didn't overheat, got back and topped up the header tank, so all good.
Tried driving with the window shut and aircon on, really surprised how much reduced the fumes were, hardly noticeable, open the window just too check, back they came. So it's windows closed from now on.
Had the starting problem again straight after the run, parked up on the drive and turned the car off, then thought I'd put her in the garage, but nope she wasn't having it, nothing, totally dead. Took the immobiliser key away and came back 5 minutes later, still nothing. Waited an hour with they key far away, went back and started just fine. Really confused and irritated.
Sorted the leak on the rear screen and re aligned the boot hinge, so alls good for now, just wish I could figure out this starting issue.
Probably going back tot he factory for a service in November so hopefully they will be able to sort it....
JP
Tried driving with the window shut and aircon on, really surprised how much reduced the fumes were, hardly noticeable, open the window just too check, back they came. So it's windows closed from now on.
Had the starting problem again straight after the run, parked up on the drive and turned the car off, then thought I'd put her in the garage, but nope she wasn't having it, nothing, totally dead. Took the immobiliser key away and came back 5 minutes later, still nothing. Waited an hour with they key far away, went back and started just fine. Really confused and irritated.
Sorted the leak on the rear screen and re aligned the boot hinge, so alls good for now, just wish I could figure out this starting issue.
Probably going back tot he factory for a service in November so hopefully they will be able to sort it....
JP
dandarez said:
Did you drain the whole system, if not perhaps it didn't require much to refill?
Old trick of pulling a hose off furthest from the header tank should let it flow if not full.
£450 for a rad! At least its removal sounds a cinch - many are not.
Friend has just bought a new alloy 3 row for his Corvette and that was less than 200 quid.
Just drained the radiator and whatever flowed out, will remember the hose tip for next time, thanksOld trick of pulling a hose off furthest from the header tank should let it flow if not full.
£450 for a rad! At least its removal sounds a cinch - many are not.
Friend has just bought a new alloy 3 row for his Corvette and that was less than 200 quid.
Suspect you could get a pattern radiator for less, but that was the price direct from the factory
JP
Just found this thread. As a previous Atom owner (sold to build extension on house) I'm really interested in a G40R as soon as funds allow.
With regards the not starting issue, could it be anything to do with a heat sensor somewhere not allowing the engine to start as it thinks it is too hot? Maybe when out for a run and stop for petrol, whilst refuelling and paying heat from the engine and exhaust isn't dispersed and activates a heat sensor. Then when the car has cooled enough it will start?
Just a thought.
Darren
With regards the not starting issue, could it be anything to do with a heat sensor somewhere not allowing the engine to start as it thinks it is too hot? Maybe when out for a run and stop for petrol, whilst refuelling and paying heat from the engine and exhaust isn't dispersed and activates a heat sensor. Then when the car has cooled enough it will start?
Just a thought.
Darren
Welcome!
I also sold my 310 Atom not so long ago
Would describe the G40R as a front engined Lotus that has been given the TVR treatment with the added brief that the essential components must be race ready and reliable.
Would add that I think the price has move from 30k all inc vat to 36k all inc vat, I cannot think of a similar car on the market if it ticks all your boxes, but if you are a little more flexible on cars, then at near 40k there is other metal out there. Personally, I think the g40r ticks all the boxes a high volume car doesn't. Currently looking at a Fiesta ST to do the rest of the work.
HTH
A.
I also sold my 310 Atom not so long ago
Would describe the G40R as a front engined Lotus that has been given the TVR treatment with the added brief that the essential components must be race ready and reliable.
Would add that I think the price has move from 30k all inc vat to 36k all inc vat, I cannot think of a similar car on the market if it ticks all your boxes, but if you are a little more flexible on cars, then at near 40k there is other metal out there. Personally, I think the g40r ticks all the boxes a high volume car doesn't. Currently looking at a Fiesta ST to do the rest of the work.
HTH
A.
My car is back from the factory. Had a short drive on Sunday to see how things are. The good news is that the cockpit fumes issue has improved. Seems it was to do with a leaky joint on the exhaust behind the cockpit. The other issues I had have also been sorted out. Im pleased with how Ginetta responded to my issues and have worked to fix them.
I need to put more miles on the car to be sure Im happy. Will keep you all posted.
I need to put more miles on the car to be sure Im happy. Will keep you all posted.
geeeman said:
A great insight into the building of the G40, but I was shocked by the complexity and lack of control in the build process. It was portrayed in a way that made me think each car being built up was the first prototype. No jigs or fixtures for trimming and drilling GRP, no pre-cut matting, no calibrated torque wrenches for cam cap bolts.... The design also looks as though there has minimal Design for Manufature / Assembly. The chassis looks a pig to weld in many places and four or five rebuilding engines in-house is a very brave decision.Things like polishing the dash and transmission tunnel and bulkhead must add hours to the build. It is no surprise it takes 4 weeks to build a car. The labour cost must be nearly half the cost of the car! I appreciate LNT is building race cars primarily, but with the volumes they are building, I would have thought it would have been approached as a production line for race cars, rather than one-off's.
From this thread, it sounds like the G40R still needs fettling. The exhaust fumes in the cabin would be unacceptable to me and a deal breaker. The unreliable electronics would be annoying but less so than a headache inducing smell in the cabin (I can't imagine that being great for you to be breathing in).
I drove a 2012 and found a lot to like about it but it still felt like a work in progress, rather than the finished article. Perhaps not an issue for those who live close to the factory but if you don't, I can imagine it being a millstone around your neck and the type of car you wish you hadn't purchased.
I do hope they sort the issues because the concept is a great one and certainly made a compelling prospect at £29,995 (including VAT). As an aside, has anyone confirmed whether the MSRP has been increased to £36,000 as mentioned above?
I drove a 2012 and found a lot to like about it but it still felt like a work in progress, rather than the finished article. Perhaps not an issue for those who live close to the factory but if you don't, I can imagine it being a millstone around your neck and the type of car you wish you hadn't purchased.
I do hope they sort the issues because the concept is a great one and certainly made a compelling prospect at £29,995 (including VAT). As an aside, has anyone confirmed whether the MSRP has been increased to £36,000 as mentioned above?
Jellinek said:
A great insight into the building of the G40, but I was shocked by the complexity and lack of control in the build process. It was portrayed in a way that made me think each car being built up was the first prototype. No jigs or fixtures for trimming and drilling GRP, no pre-cut matting, no calibrated torque wrenches for cam cap bolts.... The design also looks as though there has minimal Design for Manufature / Assembly.
Thats what's impressive to me - hand built by people who respect the car, and put something into it including the skin off their knuckles. Beats robot production by light years.Podie said:
Lightningman said:
I do hope they sort the issues because the concept is a great one and certainly made a compelling prospect at £29,995 (including VAT). As an aside, has anyone confirmed whether the MSRP has been increased to £36,000 as mentioned above?
£29,995 + VAT = ...I cannot help but think that Ginetta have made a mistake by doing that; as has been said above, the price increase puts it even further into the realm of some very competent sports cars, with far better residual values and build quality.
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