RE: Ginetta hatches expansion plans
Wednesday 12th July 2006
Ginetta G20 in action at DoningtonWe hear that roadster maker Ginetta is to move and expand its production massively, as well as launch a new car later next year.
Ginetta hatches expansion plans
Roadster maker plans new and more cars
Ginetta G20 in action at Donington
The company, which was quietly bought last December by Lawrence Tomlinson -- the man behind the Le Mans-winning LNT racing team -- is to boost production from its current rate of 50 G20 cars a year to 300 after its move to an all-new facility in Leeds. When that's done, it'll have the capacity to make the G50, a car designed to celebrate the company's 50th anniversary. We've no more details about this car yet.
Following the move, Ginetta wants to sell into the rest of Europe, and seems likely to shift propulsion from the current Ford Zetec 1.8 to the similarly-powered Duratec 1.6. The price will remain under £20,000, according to Tomlinson.
Currently most of the cars made are destined to race in the one-make Ginetta Cup series -- a spectacular series renowned for contact, as the tiny two-seaters battle for the same piece of tarmac.
Picture by PMT Motorsport
Discussion
Having got no issues with LNT but it makes me smile how they are going to claim fifty years of Ginetta having being there 10 minutes even Martin Phaff with 16 years 1 bankcrupcie and other issues has no continuity .This must be good news for David Souell since he is the manufacturer of all the Ginetta model's, he must be looking forward for expention, Alternatively it might be taken away from him to their new factory which will mean prices going up over £ 20 000. In reality, there is only the Walklett's (Ginetta Dare Ginetta G4 G12) that can officially claim the 50 years of production, didn't want to put down LNT but i think what i am saying will be historically correct.
Looking forward to seeing their new car, I just hope the shine won't be knock off by the Walklett's Dare new V8 car!!!
Looking forward to seeing their new car, I just hope the shine won't be knock off by the Walklett's Dare new V8 car!!!
the winner said:
I just hope the shine won't be knock off by the Walklett's Dare new V8 car!!!
I'm sure it will be good enough not to have the shine knocked off it by anyone. The fact remains however, it will be a Dare not a Ginetta. The biggest threat to the Dare V8 is the companies apparent unwillingness to market itself or its products effectively.
Look, all we've heard so far is a proposed move up the road to Leeds and some daft figures.
All 'manufacturers' love numbers and here we are greeted with a 6 fold increase in production and a new model all to happen over the next year and a bit.
Be realistic, this is way, way too optimistic, but makes good headlines - 300 cars a year from the current (supposedly) 50? It takes time to even settle in new premises and, anyway, who's gonna design the new car or are we talking a 6 fold increase in G20 track cars?
Ok, some G20s are sold as road cars but in reality they are track cars that give an excellent package for entry racing, and probably will continue to do so with a year on year increase in the order of 10 percent even if one is optimistic and if everything goes smoothly, but 600 percent? That's laughable isn't it?
Anyone want to wager these figures don't happen?
As for the new Dare(s) not being Ginettas, that is very true - but to many, in spirit they are!
The jewels in the crown are, and always will be, the G4 and G12. The latter in the capable hands of Brian Moody taking the major honours recently at the Jersey Festival shows it can still mix it with the best.
All 'manufacturers' love numbers and here we are greeted with a 6 fold increase in production and a new model all to happen over the next year and a bit.
Be realistic, this is way, way too optimistic, but makes good headlines - 300 cars a year from the current (supposedly) 50? It takes time to even settle in new premises and, anyway, who's gonna design the new car or are we talking a 6 fold increase in G20 track cars?
Ok, some G20s are sold as road cars but in reality they are track cars that give an excellent package for entry racing, and probably will continue to do so with a year on year increase in the order of 10 percent even if one is optimistic and if everything goes smoothly, but 600 percent? That's laughable isn't it?
Anyone want to wager these figures don't happen?
As for the new Dare(s) not being Ginettas, that is very true - but to many, in spirit they are!
The jewels in the crown are, and always will be, the G4 and G12. The latter in the capable hands of Brian Moody taking the major honours recently at the Jersey Festival shows it can still mix it with the best.
Got to agree with you Dan, it does sound very optimistic. I was told that LNT intend to take the race series 'into europe', so suspect that the projected sales are based on achieving this. As we know Ginetta have had plans in place for a number of years for a new road car. To my knowledge this was well progressed and it was the race series that dominated Martin's time, thus the G20 also stopped being pushed as a road/track day car.
Let's hope however that Ginetta/LNT do managed a good percentage of what they are setting out to achieve, and that we do see some focus on a road car/s.
Let's hope however that Ginetta/LNT do managed a good percentage of what they are setting out to achieve, and that we do see some focus on a road car/s.
I think the statement about the g20 not being a road car is wrong. It is a road car, which believe it or not i bought for it's practicality! (i used to have a raw westfield)
I have also seen the development of the g40 and the buck for a new mid engined ginetta road car, both of which i expect could be production ready in a relatively short time.
Why knock it john? I for one am excited.
I have also seen the development of the g40 and the buck for a new mid engined ginetta road car, both of which i expect could be production ready in a relatively short time.
Why knock it john? I for one am excited.
the winner said:
new G 40/50 is a Panoz with a modified body ( Ginetta style ) with a G badge.
Interesting thought .... though may be more than that as it's in line with current main stream manufacturers chassis sharing philosophy (e.g.) Ford/Mazda/Volvo/Jaguar, Toyota/Citroen etc. etc.
Ginetta finally moving with the times? Be good to have a Le Mans winner in the "G" stable too!
Does anyone know if a Panoz leaks? - If not, then that would truly be a break with Ginetta tradition...
As someone once cracked at a Stoneleigh rally "the advantage with a Ginetta is that, if the radiator gets low, there is always plenty of spare water in the footwell..." but we still love them, don't we?
As someone once cracked at a Stoneleigh rally "the advantage with a Ginetta is that, if the radiator gets low, there is always plenty of spare water in the footwell..." but we still love them, don't we?
dandarez said:
Anyone want to wager these figures don't happen?
I think they will 'happen'. Laurence is not a man to waste his effort, time or money. He's bought Ginetta for a purpose. And not only that, he's an enthusiast for the marque as well. When I visited his racing factory when he was running Tuscans in LMES and BritGT, there was a little G4 lurking in the background. And he also had the stunning TVR T440R.
Mind you, the figures won't just 'happen', it'll take a lot of work and investment. LNT has just got to be excellent news for Ginetta.
Derek
Edited by Derek Smith on Wednesday 26th July 23:24
Figures of potential cars sales sound great and it is possible with the right infrastructure, in reality this won't be David Souel (fiber form) but neither could it be a new player. Fiber form in reality is still their best bet as he has a manufacturing facility and in reality can actually do it but i don't think in that number, you may have a nice building and lots of cars inside it but this has absolutely nothing to do with the black art with manufacturing. I still believe they have no-one creative to bring about a new design and that's why it would be a revamp Panoz, with Panoz support. The drawings i have seen were Panoz related (there is no-one their who can create a mid-engine car unless Laurence is spending money with another design group) James G20 is making it up as usual
the winner said:
James G20 is making it up as usual
You really are priceless, but that's it.
I don't know where you are coming from here but i've had enough. Everything i have ever posted in this forum is based on fact and truth. 'making it up as usual', explain? Have a trip to sheffield there's a buck in the factory. It was developed before LNT took over.
Other people may tolerate you spouting untruths about them here but i won't. I suggest you stop hiding behind an anonymous name and reveal who you really are. I then suggest you contact me directly, where upon we can continue this arguement, i for one can't wait to meet up with you and have this out.
Let me know the next ginetta event you will be at and i will make myself known. If you want to slander me on a public forum , I look forward to you having the boll*cks to do it in person.
Edited by jamesg20 on Friday 28th July 11:18
Edited by jamesg20 on Friday 28th July 11:25
Edited by jamesg20 on Friday 28th July 11:27
Surely we can't leave it like this.........this is better than Desperate Housewives.
I'm on the edge of my work bench trying to work out who fancies who..........So, avoiding the question again.....
My email address is available through my profile, which has my name on.
I'm not furthering this arguement here as i now know once again who you are.
See you shortly.
THREAD DRIFT OVER... BACK TO THE STORY IN HAND......
My email address is available through my profile, which has my name on.
I'm not furthering this arguement here as i now know once again who you are.
See you shortly.
THREAD DRIFT OVER... BACK TO THE STORY IN HAND......
Edited by jamesg20 on Tuesday 1st August 13:37
Edited by jamesg20 on Tuesday 1st August 13:39
Edited by jamesg20 on Tuesday 1st August 13:52
I always regret coming back here to read the made up and blatantly false statements of fact. However, I'm weak - and can never resist reacting. The fictional Dave Seoooul (or however it is spelt these days appears) to be doing fine (Dave Sewell makes the Chassis btw, not the bodies), but nothing else appears to have changed.
What I do know is that Ginetta ownes all the jigs and moulds for the G20 (the only car on the books at the moment). What Ginetta are saying that they are doing is in the latest press release (copied below).
I'm off now to join the campaign to remove Peter Wheeler from TVR's history (you know that it isn't a proper TVR if it wasn't built by a guy called Trev!).
Cheers
Rich
Following a lengthy break from Ginetta Press Releases, this release serves to shed light on the current activities and expansion of your favourite British Sports Car. As you may have read recently plans have been outlined for increased production during 2007, there has also been talk of a Ginetta 50th anniversary car – perhaps the worst kept secret in the motoring industry.More details about this car should come on stream after production of the G20 up-date is in place. Since the opening rounds of the 2006 Ginetta racing calendar in April both Playstation Junior and AVO Senior Championships have seen some of the countries best racing; Juniors battling to promote
themselves as a future star, LNT Automotive propelling the winning driver with an official Formula Ford test. Meanwhile our fleet of AVO backed senior racers are as ever providing great racing throughout the field on both F3 & GT and Dunlop Great & British platforms. The winner claiming the coveted test in the Le Mans winning Panoz GT2 car. The impressive racing was not wasted on DTM organisers who invited Ginetta as a support race on this years visit to the UK at Brands Hatch; another recognition establishing Ginetta as a genuine GT feeder series. The current G20 which has sold over 160 examples is in the process of being updated by our Test and Development Team. Assisted by Team LNT, work started in Easter testing and developing a sustainable parts supply and reliable up-dates to the G20(currently referred to in house as the G20S) to deliver a competent ace car whilst providing the platform for a more friendly road car for the future. The most noticeable change looks like it will come from the move to 1.6 litre Ford power with the development carcurrently into well over 2000 miles of testing with this engine; this engine also being complimented by a revised drive train. The development G20 will secure the future of this platform to ensure the prescribed production volumes are realised. Subtle characteristic Ginetta aesthetic changes will distinguish this car which will be available to buy late 2006 (launch date to be confirmed) and race in 2007. Production of the cars and the 50th anniversary model will move to a new state of the art facility in Leeds where customers will be able to see their car in build on our production line. Options available can be defined and the opportunity to talk through car specifications in our showroom. The added opportunity to look around our partner; Le Mans winning World Sports Car operation – Team LNT, will also be available on factory visits for those who aspire to eventually compete at Le Mans. Look out for more Ginetta on track action with the Playstation Juniors at Brands Hatch on the 19th and 20th of August at Brands Hatch, and the AVO Seniors at Silverstone on the 23rd and 24th of September.
LNT Automotive
For further information about Ginetta Cars please contact 0114 236 5900 or email:
enquiries@ginettacars.com
Ginetta Cars Ltd
T: 0114 236 5900 F: 0114 236 5977 W: www.Ginettacars.com
Cornish Works, Old Station Drive, Sheffield, S7 2PY
What I do know is that Ginetta ownes all the jigs and moulds for the G20 (the only car on the books at the moment). What Ginetta are saying that they are doing is in the latest press release (copied below).
I'm off now to join the campaign to remove Peter Wheeler from TVR's history (you know that it isn't a proper TVR if it wasn't built by a guy called Trev!).
Cheers
Rich
LNT said:
Following a lengthy break from Ginetta Press Releases, this release serves to shed light on the current activities and expansion of your favourite British Sports Car. As you may have read recently plans have been outlined for increased production during 2007, there has also been talk of a Ginetta 50th anniversary car – perhaps the worst kept secret in the motoring industry.More details about this car should come on stream after production of the G20 up-date is in place. Since the opening rounds of the 2006 Ginetta racing calendar in April both Playstation Junior and AVO Senior Championships have seen some of the countries best racing; Juniors battling to promote
themselves as a future star, LNT Automotive propelling the winning driver with an official Formula Ford test. Meanwhile our fleet of AVO backed senior racers are as ever providing great racing throughout the field on both F3 & GT and Dunlop Great & British platforms. The winner claiming the coveted test in the Le Mans winning Panoz GT2 car. The impressive racing was not wasted on DTM organisers who invited Ginetta as a support race on this years visit to the UK at Brands Hatch; another recognition establishing Ginetta as a genuine GT feeder series. The current G20 which has sold over 160 examples is in the process of being updated by our Test and Development Team. Assisted by Team LNT, work started in Easter testing and developing a sustainable parts supply and reliable up-dates to the G20(currently referred to in house as the G20S) to deliver a competent ace car whilst providing the platform for a more friendly road car for the future. The most noticeable change looks like it will come from the move to 1.6 litre Ford power with the development carcurrently into well over 2000 miles of testing with this engine; this engine also being complimented by a revised drive train. The development G20 will secure the future of this platform to ensure the prescribed production volumes are realised. Subtle characteristic Ginetta aesthetic changes will distinguish this car which will be available to buy late 2006 (launch date to be confirmed) and race in 2007. Production of the cars and the 50th anniversary model will move to a new state of the art facility in Leeds where customers will be able to see their car in build on our production line. Options available can be defined and the opportunity to talk through car specifications in our showroom. The added opportunity to look around our partner; Le Mans winning World Sports Car operation – Team LNT, will also be available on factory visits for those who aspire to eventually compete at Le Mans. Look out for more Ginetta on track action with the Playstation Juniors at Brands Hatch on the 19th and 20th of August at Brands Hatch, and the AVO Seniors at Silverstone on the 23rd and 24th of September.
LNT Automotive
For further information about Ginetta Cars please contact 0114 236 5900 or email:
enquiries@ginettacars.com
Ginetta Cars Ltd
T: 0114 236 5900 F: 0114 236 5977 W: www.Ginettacars.com
Cornish Works, Old Station Drive, Sheffield, S7 2PY
Speaking personally, I don't think a Ford is really a Ford unless it was made when old Henry was still alive, a Skoda ain't a Skoda unless the engine is in the boot, and a Trabant should have just two cylinders and no valves...
Quite seriously, I for one am looking forward to LNT taking Ginetta Cars on to the next level, as a genuine rival to mainstream sportscars and with a product that is capable of taking sales away from other marques rather than sitting quietly in what is after all a very niche market. Good luck, I say - and how about some artist impressions of the G50 to keep us all happy?
Quite seriously, I for one am looking forward to LNT taking Ginetta Cars on to the next level, as a genuine rival to mainstream sportscars and with a product that is capable of taking sales away from other marques rather than sitting quietly in what is after all a very niche market. Good luck, I say - and how about some artist impressions of the G50 to keep us all happy?
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