Fiesta ST MP215 or REVO map?

[neil1jnr]

Hi Guys,

I have a fiesta ST3 and 2 weeks ago got the Mountune MP215 kit fitted. I think it is brilliant and transforms the car albeit expensive for what it is.

I have noticed that Revo are claiming 220bhp and 240ft lbs where as I have heard the Mountune gives just under 210bhp and under 230ft lbs.

I emailed my local tuner Wallace Performance who carry out Revo maps asking about whether or not it is worth it having already got the Mountune map.

Surprisingly I was told because I have the Mountune MP215 kit they can offer the Revo map with a 35% discount!

"A STG 1 Revo is normally £399 plus vat, so £478.80 minus the 35% offer = £311.22. Bargain!" They said.

Has anybody on here got dyno print outs with MP215 and the Revo for comparison or give advice on whether it would be worth the expense?

Cheers

Neil

[Podie]

Depends if you are prepared to lose your warranty...

[neil1jnr]

Podie said:

Depends if you are prepared to lose your warranty...

Yes I am.

[maxest]

For what little gain its really not worth losing the manufacturers warranty. I'd wait till its out then go for bigger gains

[neil1jnr]

maxest said:

For what little gain its really not worth losing the manufacturers warranty. I'd wait till its out then go for bigger gains

Yes, but I am willing to risk that chance. I very much doubt something engine related will go wrong. I will be changing car in 2 years or less (took the car over 2 years), so it won't ever be out of warrenty. I'd just like to maximise gains with what I have.

Anyone on here had experience with both maps?

[KarlMac]

Mountune.

Seen some horrendous rebuild costs for people that have run REVO.

[Grandad7184]

but surely you will need to take off when you return it.?

[neil1jnr]

KarlMac said:

Mountune.

Seen some horrendous rebuild costs for people that have run REVO.

Really, do mean Fiesta ST specific or Revo in general?

I heard from my mate that the TTRS revo map runs at 1.55psi, thus running too hot and sometimes going into limp mode. But I had a my Leon FR CR TDI with a Revo map and had no issues.

[neil1jnr]

Grandad7184 said:

but surely you will need to take off when you return it.?

Take what off?

If you mean remove the Revo map then I wouldn't bother. Why would I have to? At the end of the 2 year term, the car will be traded in for another just like any other trade in.

[Grandad7184]

but when you trade the car it wont have warranty as you would have invalided it when doing the re map. or if it is on PCP when they inspect it they should see its not standard.

[anonymous-user]

300 quid for 10 bhp and 1 torques, you must be mad.

It would be better for you to lose 10 kilos or put your seat flat and drive with a quarter of fuel for the gains for the money, it is reality worthless.

[neil1jnr]

The Spruce goose said:

300 quid for 10 bhp and 1 torques, you must be mad.

It would be better for you to lose 10 kilos or put your seat flat and drive with a quarter of fuel for the gains for the money, it is reality worthless.

Maybe so, but I can choose what do what I like with my money.

If I can see another 10bhp and 10ft lbs then yes I will go for it.

I think spending £300 is easier and better than starving myself down to 70kg or pissing about with quarter tanks of fuel.

Surely somebody on here has had either map and has a dyno read out?

[neil1jnr]

Grandad7184 said:

but when you trade the car it wont have warranty as you would have invalided it when doing the re map. or if it is on PCP when they inspect it they should see its not standard.

I didn't intend on discussing the validity of the warrenty. I have never heard of any car when traded in being inspected for a map. I traded in my last car with 3 months warrenty remaining and it was mapped.

I already stated I don't care if the warrenty is invalid beacuse of a map.

[Grandad7184]

in your earlier post you said it will never be out of warranty. If it has a revo map it will be thou. If I bought a car of you under the reasoning it was and something went wrong and found out you had invalided it by having non standard re map I wouldn't be happy.

Montune lets you have the warranty any thing else invalids it ..

but your money I only brought up that it would be out of warranty if its not a montune re map

[Ron240]

neil1jnr said:

If I can see another 10bhp and 10ft lbs then yes I will go for it.

£311 for 10 BHP/Lb-Ft gain that could quite possibly go unnoticed on the road....plus you lose your warranty - no, i recommend saving your money.
I think you are focusing far too much on the on paper gain(and bragging rights)and not putting enough thought into will you actually notice any difference.
It is very likely that for such a tiny increase you wont notice any difference, but its your money and your choice.

Edited by Ron240 on Friday 18th July 13:33

[neil1jnr]

Grandad7184 said:

in your earlier post you said it will never be out of warranty. If it has a revo map it will be thou. If I bought a car of you under the reasoning it was and something went wrong and found out you had invalided it by having non standard re map I wouldn't be happy.

Montune lets you have the warranty any thing else invalids it ..

but your money I only brought up that it would be out of warranty if its not a montune re map

That is correct, and the reason I went out and got the Mountune kit was because it kept the warrenty.

I wouldn't have started the post if I didn't want to invalidate it.

I will never be selling the car, only trading it in. If I get the Revo map the receipt and dyno print out will be with all the other documentation just like my old car. It doesn't matter if they 'check' when you trade it in. I don't think any dealer will ask or check. But if they do I doubt they will deny the trade in for a new car because it has been mapped.

Anyway, can anyone help me out with my original post? Yes I realise my warrenty will be invalidated, it's my problem, nobody elses. Yes it may seem a bit silly wanting the Revo map having already got the Mountune but if I think it is worthwhile I will do it. I just want the opinions of anyone with either map or that has data in the form of a dyno print out showing figures.

Thanks

[neil1jnr]

Ron240 said:

£311 for 10 BHP/Lb-Ft gain that could quite possibly go unnoticed on the road....plus you lose your warranty - no, i recommend saving your money.
I think you are focusing far too much on the on paper gain(and bragging rights)and not putting enough thought into will you actually notice any difference.
It is very likely that for such a tiny increase you wont notice any difference, but its your money and your choice.

Edited by Ron240 on Friday 18th July 13:33

Maybe so, but this is just numbers Ive heard, I'd like to see if anyone has proof of both so I can compare.

If the difference is minimal I won't bother, but I probably would if there is more than 10bhp and 10ft lbs. I'd also like to see the difference in the power and torque curves, the Revo may or may not have a higher figure lower in the range or peak power may be at a higher rpm which would be nice.

I have heard the standard ST dynos around 200bhp and just over 200ft lbs, the mountune kit apparently sees around 210 ish and 230ft lbs, not huge gains but feels noticeably different to drive. Just really hoping that the Revo will have a similar effect over the Mountune (Mountune kit numbers come from the inc of the cold air intake which comes part of the kit, Revo is just a standard car mapped, so with the cold air Revo might see higher gains than stated).

I already save about £800 a month towards a house. It will either be the Revo map next month or probably more clothes.

[Ron240]

neil1jnr said:

I have heard the standard ST dynos around 200bhp

Yes thats correct, but remember thats the overboost figure thats only available for a very limited time period, its not the sustainable power output.
I dont know if the remaps are calculated in the same way, but if they quote the sustainable output then that might explain why there is not such a dramatic difference in the 2 figures.

Ive changed my mind and think you probably should go for it, but i personally wouldnt because i would already have seen a noticeable difference with the Mountune upgrade so would probably end up feeling a bit disappointed.

[neil1jnr]

Ron240 said:

es thats correct, but remember thats the overboost figure thats only available for a very limited time period, its not the sustainable power output.
I dont know if the remaps are calculated in the same way, but if they quote the sustainable output then that might explain why there is not such a dramatic difference in the 2 figures.

Ive changed my mind and think you probably should go for it, but i personally wouldnt because i would already have seen a noticeable difference with the Mountune upgrade so would probably end up feeling a bit disappointed.

Yes it is the overboost figure, but all mapped figures are overboost figures too. I think they should have called it 'underboost', as you do always have the full 200bhp unless you have the throttle fully open for more than 15 secs (changing gear and momentarily letting off throttle resets this time limit. I have never been on full throttle in any gear yet for over 15sec so I have never experienced a loss of power. In reality, for all intents and purposes, the overboost figures are the real figures.

If there are gains to be had with Revo over Mountune just like there was for Mountune over standard I'd book my car in.

I think if I do it would be worthwhile doing a dyno session before and after.

Cheers

[burridge1984]

Don't know for sure but have read odd post about revo being optimistic on power claims. Until a few have been dynod its hard to tell. Need to compare mountune and revo same dyno same day really.

Can't find the numbers now but aren't the claims on stage 1 revo 218 bhp and 212 bhp for mountune.

6 bhp is not a lot, and that's if its genuine. Also may be on high octane fuel only.

I think to notice any difference you need sports cat and downpipe with intercooler upgrade.

Echo the warranty comments, especially as the fiesta st has not been out long.