Ford Ecoboost Engine Failure (TWICE)
Discussion
skyrover said:
Willy Nilly said:
Total and utter b
ks.
I have been using turbocharged engine for nearly 25 years and I can think of 3 turbo failures, one of on a machine that got plain neglected and also went porous like 2 of the other machine (that were naturally aspirated) with the same engines on the fleet and the other 2 failures were on machine (of the same brand) that by their nature did a lot of start-full load-stop type work.
We have 2 machines at work that are the same virtually identical save for a few updates and one has a turbo. The turbo charged machine is 2 years younger, has about 2000 more engine hours more power and runs much better. The bulk of turbo charged engines have to work bloody hard for their living, while car engines get a very easy ride.
All this crap about engines in a higher state of tune is just that - crap. Engineers find ways to extract more power from the same displacement all of the time, so engine get more powerfull. Those Eco Boost engines will have been put through the same duty cycle testing as all of Fords other engines. They've placed a big bet on them and I doubt they will sit back and watch them all grenade themselves.
Sorry mate but your wrong... better engineering can reduce the risk but the fact remains, more moving parts, more complexity, higher state of tune = more risk of failure.ks. I have been using turbocharged engine for nearly 25 years and I can think of 3 turbo failures, one of on a machine that got plain neglected and also went porous like 2 of the other machine (that were naturally aspirated) with the same engines on the fleet and the other 2 failures were on machine (of the same brand) that by their nature did a lot of start-full load-stop type work.
We have 2 machines at work that are the same virtually identical save for a few updates and one has a turbo. The turbo charged machine is 2 years younger, has about 2000 more engine hours more power and runs much better. The bulk of turbo charged engines have to work bloody hard for their living, while car engines get a very easy ride.
All this crap about engines in a higher state of tune is just that - crap. Engineers find ways to extract more power from the same displacement all of the time, so engine get more powerfull. Those Eco Boost engines will have been put through the same duty cycle testing as all of Fords other engines. They've placed a big bet on them and I doubt they will sit back and watch them all grenade themselves.
UPDATE
Ford Motor Co are now talking to me, not their customer care line.
They have asked for all the service invoices for the car, obviously to show it has been maintained according to schedule.
Interestingly, the main dealer has indicated they used 5w-30 oil on the invoices. This is the wrong oil.
More to follow.
Ford Motor Co are now talking to me, not their customer care line.
They have asked for all the service invoices for the car, obviously to show it has been maintained according to schedule.
Interestingly, the main dealer has indicated they used 5w-30 oil on the invoices. This is the wrong oil.
More to follow.
53catalina said:
UPDATE
Ford Motor Co are now talking to me, not their customer care line.
They have asked for all the service invoices for the car, obviously to show it has been maintained according to schedule.
Interestingly, the main dealer has indicated they used 5w-30 oil on the invoices. This is the wrong oil.
More to follow.
Out of interest, what is the correct oil it should use?Ford Motor Co are now talking to me, not their customer care line.
They have asked for all the service invoices for the car, obviously to show it has been maintained according to schedule.
Interestingly, the main dealer has indicated they used 5w-30 oil on the invoices. This is the wrong oil.
More to follow.
53catalina said:
UPDATE
Ford Motor Co are now talking to me, not their customer care line.
They have asked for all the service invoices for the car, obviously to show it has been maintained according to schedule.
They're such wFord Motor Co are now talking to me, not their customer care line.
They have asked for all the service invoices for the car, obviously to show it has been maintained according to schedule.
kers - what has the service schedule got to do with the hose splitting?53catalina said:
Interestingly, the main dealer has indicated they used 5w-30 oil on the invoices. This is the wrong oil.
More to follow.
Chances are they used the right oil in the workshop but just didn't bother picking the right code for the invoice. Makes you wonder though - turns out for years MB dealers didn't use low ash oil on DPF equipped cars.More to follow.
The thinner oil is probably just for economy reasons anyway.
xxChrisxx said:
MC Bodge said:
It still needs an input from a sensor or multiple sensors from which to derive the temperature though. My Mondeo temp gauge doesn't go straight from low to Medium, it does climb and is slower to reach normal range when it is colder.
fords also have a temp readout that can be accessed on the dashboard diagnostics.
It might move in an analogue fashion to get to the middle, but it's not a proper 'gauge' in that you can estimate coolant temperature from it's position. It's basically a traffic light system. Cold - ok - hot. It'll stay in the middle between a wide range of temperatures say... 70 to 110°c. The same thing can be accomplished without the space for a gauge on the instrument panel, so why have one.fords also have a temp readout that can be accessed on the dashboard diagnostics.
The only proper temperature gauges put in cars tend to be oil temp (ie ones with a scale).
The gauge in my Mk3 Mondeo was quite useful in helping me to determine that there was a problem, which ended-up being a fault with the phantom oil cooler thermostat that the Ford dealer didn't know about.
blade7 said:
We've just bought a new Fiesta with the 1.6 Ecoboost engine for her indoors, TBH it wont have a very hard life, but I'll still have the 5w/20 engine oil changed more often than every 12k. I looked at the 1.0 but it had town car written all over it to me.
Minor point but the 1.6 is not an Ecoboost engine. The temp gauges on these are just a series of tiny illuminated bars in the centre of the main clocks (like the ones for the signal strength on a phone). They certainly aren't very accurate and you wouldn't be able to tell if there was much of a deviation, more of a token gesture really.
This is a forum for people who are interested in cars and into driving, we are in a minority, your average motorist doesn't need gauges - they don't look at them anyhow.
This is a forum for people who are interested in cars and into driving, we are in a minority, your average motorist doesn't need gauges - they don't look at them anyhow.
KTF said:
Ok. Irrelevant given that the host burst but I guess Ford just stick to a script to tick all the boxes. Could use it as leverage I guess?
When the first engine failed the car had been serviced by an independent dealer, who had used and 5W20 oil and this was on the invoice.It was made very clear to us that if the wrong oil had been shown on the invoice the warranty would have been void, regardless of the failure cause. i.e. not maintained as per schedule.
After the new engine was fitted we made sure the car only went to Ford for servicing. We have two service invoices, which we now note both show the wrong oil used.
If they insist on other service agent using / recording the correct oil, then they must do the same and warrant the consequences.
More to follow.
djfaulkner said:
Minor point the Fiesta ST is
True, however the poster mentioned they were considering the 1.0 so I'd assumed he went for 1.6 Duratec rather than the 1.6 Ecoboost found in the ST but you're correct, one of the 1.6 engines in the Fiesta range is an Ecoboost. Edited by gareth3685 on Thursday 25th September 19:11
53catalina said:
UPDATE
Ford Motor Co are now talking to me, not their customer care line.
They have asked for all the service invoices for the car, obviously to show it has been maintained according to schedule.
Interestingly, the main dealer has indicated they used 5w-30 oil on the invoices. This is the wrong oil.
More to follow.
I think you have them by the nuts if they have used the wrong oilFord Motor Co are now talking to me, not their customer care line.
They have asked for all the service invoices for the car, obviously to show it has been maintained according to schedule.
Interestingly, the main dealer has indicated they used 5w-30 oil on the invoices. This is the wrong oil.
More to follow.
gareth3685 said:
djfaulkner said:
Minor point the Fiesta ST is
True, however the poster mentioned they were considering the 1.0 so I'd assumed he went for 1.6 Duratec rather than the 1.6 Ecoboost found in the ST but you're correct, one of the 1.6 engines in the Fiesta range is an Ecoboost. Sheepshanks said:
Is there a temp gauge? Two of our cars don't have them.
This thread, and the comments about how little time there is for dealing with a problem, is certainly food for thought when considering cars with tiny engines.
Good post. The extra power / stress these days makes for less resilience when things go wrong. My view anyway. This thread, and the comments about how little time there is for dealing with a problem, is certainly food for thought when considering cars with tiny engines.
OP, Good luck with the battle with Ford. These engines have been released to the market with the engineers stating they were not 100% satisfied with them, according to a chap I know with mates at Ford. I do know that they are sensitive to the right oil ( as are most highly stressed engines)and this is a major potential issue. Many customers and dealers chuck in the cheapest oil they can find that looks close to the correct grade and spec, but are storing up a problem for a few miles down the line. My feeling is that in a few years, many modern turbo'd "downsizer" engines will prematurely fail leaving the owners with no warranty and a massive garage bill.
If this hose/pipe is an known issue and has been modified by Ford for the latest production, where is the recall for all existing cars to have the part changed? Toyota get slammed for recalls, BUT, if this was a Toyota, they would have recalled and fitted the modified part to all cars. Come to think of it, if it was a Toyota it'd still be under warranty. OP, go and buy some Yaris hybrids, they'll do 200k+ miles without coughing.
If this hose/pipe is an known issue and has been modified by Ford for the latest production, where is the recall for all existing cars to have the part changed? Toyota get slammed for recalls, BUT, if this was a Toyota, they would have recalled and fitted the modified part to all cars. Come to think of it, if it was a Toyota it'd still be under warranty. OP, go and buy some Yaris hybrids, they'll do 200k+ miles without coughing.
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