Ford Ecoboost Engine Failure (TWICE)

[Willy Nilly]

Coco83 said:

Hi , does anyone know if there would be any problems replacing the 1.0 ecoboost engine with one bought from eBay ? Have been told conflicting information from ford and don't want to buy wrong engine. Some people say should be fine aslong as there the same ps (ford says mines is 105ps) was told at time it was 100 , others say it needs to have same engine number on v5 mines says M2DA but not even sure if that's right , the cars only done 37k and this will be the 3rd engine , any help would be appreciated.
Thanks

What has gone wrong with the engines to have 3 fail on the same car in 37,000 miles? The car can't be much over 3 years old, so were it me, I would want the manufacturer to be fitting them FOC, that is unless you have broken them.

[Coco83]

I bought car year and half ago from a main dealer 18k , ma misses noticed it sounded louder (a don't drive it) checked under bonnet no coolant called ford towed it in was told would need new engine probably due degus hose recall(which we were never informed of ) so thought it would be covered . Then in the process of trying to get them to fix it , they came back and said it had already had engine replaced at 14k (knew nothing about it) they said they wouldn't be doing anything as they had sorted problem with new engine, extended warranty wouldn't pay out either so am going to buy 2nd engine from a breaker and hopefully get it fitted as ford want around 4K to fit and replace with new .

[Willy Nilly]

How often are you opening the bonnet and checking the oil and coolant?

[hora]

My next door neighbour has a 09 ecoboost and a 13 ecoboost. Neither have gone pop.

For THREE engines to go in a row - once the hose is replaced it must be the new engine Fitter error or some sort of poor servicing regime by the owner. (Sorry)

[Coco83]

This will be the 3rd engine one went before I owned car (didn't know till after this had happened) and the other after owning it over a year ,car was checked every other week the problem lies with degus hose as the first time the engine was replaced they would have fitted it with the old type as this was Sep 14 and ford never issued the recall until 2015. Seemingly it cracks dumps coolant in one go , no warning lights or anything appear. This has happened to a lot of people if you look on net , local dealer told me theyde had 26 cars needing new engines in space of few months , however without spending 1000s on lawyers and specialists this is hard to prove .

[Slow]

Try email head office and just say exactly that, the engine was fitted before the new design so would have the same fault surely?

[Coco83]

Hi, yeah tried that spent days going back and forward between ford/dealership/warranty no one would accept any responsibility so am just going to sort it myself , if I can figure out engine code issues .

[poing]

Honestly, if you are going through them at this rate then perhaps they are not for you. Buy something else and be done, I'd advise something from the John Deere range.

[iSore]

oceanview said:

80k good for a set of shocks.
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That's crap. Decent dampers (Boge, Sachs, Bilstein) should do well over 100k. The shocks on my 118d have done 205'000 and one rear is leaking.

Mind you, you have to expect that kind of thing from Ford crap. 80k and leaking shocks, 2/3 engines and nonsense like that. I'm surprised anyone buys ste like this these days with Japanese/Korean competitors.

[Coco83]

Hi, yeah tried that spent days going back and forward between ford/dealership/warranty no one would accept any responsibility so am just going to sort it myself , if I can figure out engine code issues .

[Vitorio]

iSore said:

That's crap. Decent dampers (Boge, Sachs, Bilstein) should do well over 100k. The shocks on my 118d have done 205'000 and one rear is leaking.

Mind you, you have to expect that kind of thing from Ford crap. 80k and leaking shocks, 2/3 engines and nonsense like that. I'm surprised anyone buys ste like this these days with Japanese/Korean competitors.

Depends entirely on usage, presumably your 118d has done most of those miles on the motorway, do 80K miles of mixed with a lot of speedhumps thrown in, and life for those shocks is a lot harder

Not that im a big ford fan mind you, id consider a Kia Rio just as easily as a Fiesta (and probably end up in a mazda 2)

[anonymous-user]

Vitorio said:

iSore said:

That's crap. Decent dampers (Boge, Sachs, Bilstein) should do well over 100k. The shocks on my 118d have done 205'000 and one rear is leaking.

Mind you, you have to expect that kind of thing from Ford crap. 80k and leaking shocks, 2/3 engines and nonsense like that. I'm surprised anyone buys ste like this these days with Japanese/Korean competitors.

Depends entirely on usage, presumably your 118d has done most of those miles on the motorway, do 80K miles of mixed with a lot of speedhumps thrown in, and life for those shocks is a lot harder

Not that im a big ford fan mind you, id consider a Kia Rio just as easily as a Fiesta (and probably end up in a mazda 2)

Yeah, if you're happy to have your car drive like a wallowing old nag you can wait until your dampers actually leak to replace them. If you want them to perform properly then 100k is probably about right to swap them out. It's a real eye opener if you ever get to drive a brand new example of a car and a 2/3 year old 150k example back to back. Certainly the case with the 3 and 5 series pool cars I used to use, and even more so with the various VAG cars.

[drdino]

iSore said:

That's crap. Decent dampers (Boge, Sachs, Bilstein) should do well over 100k. The shocks on my 118d have done 205'000 and one rear is leaking.

Mind you, you have to expect that kind of thing from Ford crap. 80k and leaking shocks, 2/3 engines and nonsense like that. I'm surprised anyone buys ste like this these days with Japanese/Korean competitors.

Shocks can be shot well before they start leaking.

[iSore]

drdino said:

Shocks can be shot well before they start leaking.

Maybe the cheap Delphi crap Ford or GM use, but I've got the original, very rusty Boge front struts from my old E36 from when I replaced them with Bilstein B8's. They were made in 1997 and have about 150k on them, yet have a goodly amount of resistance on bump and rebound. I should throw them away really. Properly made dampers last a long time. 3 years/80k is unacceptable but on the other hand, it was a cheap car.

[J4CKO]

iSore said:

oceanview said:

80k good for a set of shocks.
.

That's crap. Decent dampers (Boge, Sachs, Bilstein) should do well over 100k. The shocks on my 118d have done 205'000 and one rear is leaking.

Mind you, you have to expect that kind of thing from Ford crap. 80k and leaking shocks, 2/3 engines and nonsense like that. I'm surprised anyone buys ste like this these days with Japanese/Korean competitors.

So, dont buy Ford "Crap" based on two reports of issues, I suspect the dampers in question are still working anyway.

There are millions of the 1 litre Ecoboost engines about now and it isnt like they are failing left right and centre, this thread would be a little busier if that were the case.

the Fiesta is the best selling car in the Uk for a reason, because it is excellent at what it does and drives better than the competition, I am no Ford Fanboy and it isnt like BMW dont have their own reliability howlers on occasion.

I suspect that your 118 probably needs a full set by now, wear and serviceability is not always indicated by leakage, by that mileage they will all be way past their best whoever made them.

[gweaver]

J4CKO said:

There are millions of the 1 litre Ecoboost engines about now and it isnt like they are failing left right and centre, this thread would be a little busier if that were the case.

The fault reports on HJ often make interesting reading - I've never seen a list this long before.
http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/carbycar/ford/fiesta-2...
Seems to be mostly gearbox & clutch issues, but some engine cooling system and turbo issues too.

The Ecoboost is an impressive engine, but the impression I have is of a *lot* of issues and very shabby treatment of customers by Ford.

[Devil2575]

J4CKO said:

the Fiesta is the best selling car in the Uk for a reason, because it is excellent at what it does and drives better than the competition, I am no Ford Fanboy and it isnt like BMW dont have their own reliability howlers on occasion.

I wouldn't say that you can neccesarily make a connection between best selling and excellent, at least in terms of reliability.

[Krikkit]

iSore said:

drdino said:

Shocks can be shot well before they start leaking.

Maybe the cheap Delphi crap Ford or GM use, but I've got the original, very rusty Boge front struts from my old E36 from when I replaced them with Bilstein B8's. They were made in 1997 and have about 150k on them, yet have a goodly amount of resistance on bump and rebound. I should throw them away really. Properly made dampers last a long time. 3 years/80k is unacceptable but on the other hand, it was a cheap car.

That's part of it, but one set of shocks doesn't exactly prove anything.

Just because they're still resisting pressure doesn't mean they're in good condition either.

That's before you start looking at things like environment and treatment - 80k from a shock which gets brutally bashed up a curb a few times a day while parking is damned good. 150k from a shock which does a pothole-free motorway run every day isn't that special, for example.

[cj2013]

gweaver said:

The fault reports on HJ often make interesting reading - I've never seen a list this long before.
http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/carbycar/ford/fiesta-2...
Seems to be mostly gearbox & clutch issues, but some engine cooling system and turbo issues too.

The Ecoboost is an impressive engine, but the impression I have is of a *lot* of issues and very shabby treatment of customers by Ford.

You say that, but I don't see them as "faults" - they come across as individual complaints, some duplicates, some odd....

HJ said:

12-7-2013: Reader reported just 25mpg from a Fiesta 1.0 EcoBoost and was spun a line by the dealer that was normal. It would free up and become more economical on 5,000 - 6,000 miles.

Sounds like a typical heavy-foot henry: "Why duz it not do da 50mpg dat it sez on da advertz?", whilst simultaneously bouncing off the limiter no end. It is true that engines should get more economical as they 'wear in', but a tiny engine can be very thirsty if driven incorrectly, just as much as it can be very economical if driven correctly.

HJ said:

3-7-2013: Seems to be a known problem with the stop/start system only working intermittently. Apparently Ford is working on a fix.

Quite normal with any start/stop car to have issues where it's only used for short journeys, so the battery isn't charged enough for the system to allow the engine to cut out (failsafe). Might not be this, but suspect it is.

HJ said:

26-3-2014: Problem after first service of 2013 Fiesta 1.0 EcoBoost. 100 miles into a subsequent journey a warning appeared: "Low oil pressure stop engine." Car recovered to a Ford dealer. Apparently, ECU should have been updated as part of the service. (Maybe the servicing dealer had simply not registered the oil change in the car's ECU.) Car now running 10mpg more economically than before the service.

Not a fault of the car, just a naughty techie (who won't be employed by Ford). Par for the course with the new 'dipstick-less' engines, especially on Volvos.

HJ said:

10-4-2014: Report of clutch and clutch slave cylinder of Fiesta 1.0 EcoBoost being replaced under warranty. Begs the question why a non DMF Fiesta clutch and slave cylinder are routinely replaced under warranty, whereas if the clutch fails on a Focus 1.0 EcoBoost with a DMF, the clutch, clutch slave cylinder and DMF are all replaced and the customer is charged for the job.

"Routinely replace" is used to describe one report. Right...

HJ said:

28-12-2015: Heater/blower fan speeds 1-3 stopped working on 2013 Fiesta Zetec S. Works only on maximum speed. Suspect resistor pack, but fan motor must be checked in case the problem is with it rather than with the resistor. If only the resistor is replaced and the fan motor has a fault it could lead to overheating and a similar wiring fire as in RHD Vauxhall Zafira Bs.

"could" is used here with no actual evident. Very hyperbolic. If you leave the toast in the toaster too long, your house may burn to the ground and wipe out your family. Logic.

HJ said:

9-8-2016: Report of 2 year old Ford Fiesta 1.0 Ecoboost bought used 6 months previously suffering clutch failure at 36,000 miles. Selling dealer thought probably clutch slave cylinder, but said he wasn't liable because it was an ex-driving school car. But he is liable because he sold a car with a pre-existing fault.

"Ex-Driving school car in abused clutch shocker"





Don't get me wrong, I have sod all to do with the blue oval, but those "faults" are circumstantial and it supports a theory that too modern car owners are vacant.

Edited by cj2013 on Friday 13th January 12:26

[J4CKO]

gweaver said:

J4CKO said:

There are millions of the 1 litre Ecoboost engines about now and it isnt like they are failing left right and centre, this thread would be a little busier if that were the case.

The fault reports on HJ often make interesting reading - I've never seen a list this long before.
http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/carbycar/ford/fiesta-2...
Seems to be mostly gearbox & clutch issues, but some engine cooling system and turbo issues too.

The Ecoboost is an impressive engine, but the impression I have is of a *lot* of issues and very shabby treatment of customers by Ford.

Do you think there could there possibly be a connection between best selling (over four million Fiestas sold so far since it was introduced) and the number of complaints ? also, as another poster has said, some of those issues look like user error, but point taken on the gearbox/clutch side of things, 37 issues raise since 2013, getting on for four years, with the number of cars registered doesn't seem too bad to me. Also appreciate the best seller status may also be down to a lack of imagination on the part of some buyers.

My wife has one, I didn't want it, couldn't think of anything I wanted less than a bloody Fiesta but I have to say I love it now, 18 months in and no issues.