Ford Ecoboost Engine Failure (TWICE)
Discussion
Car-Matt said:
6 year old car overheats that's been repaired outside of the Ford dealer network and Ford don't want to know shocker..........
In other news the sky is blue and water is wet
That is BS. A 6 year old car should have years of life in it, shouldn't overheat, shouldn't need coolant hoses and shouldn't be doing pistons and turbos. It's a run of the mill car that shouldn't need locking in to the main stealers and shouldn't need specialist care or attention. If it does need any of this then I think it's not fit for purpose and the manufacturer should take the responsibility for it's piss poor performance.In other news the sky is blue and water is wet
janesmith1950 said:
Modern cars shouldn't need weekly fluid checks. They should have systems in place to warn when there is a problem.
This is not the 1980s.
I agree.This is not the 1980s.
heebeegeetee said:
Car-Matt said:
6 year old car overheats that's been repaired outside of the Ford dealer network and Ford don't want to know shocker..........
In other news the sky is blue and water is wet
That is BS. A 6 year old car should have years of life in it, shouldn't overheat, shouldn't need coolant hoses and shouldn't be doing pistons and turbos. It's a run of the mill car that shouldn't need locking in to the main stealers and shouldn't need specialist care or attention. If it does need any of this then I think it's not fit for purpose and the manufacturer should take the responsibility for it's piss poor performance.In other news the sky is blue and water is wet
Do you run a business?
That's a valid view, but given the nature of these failures, I think the fault lies with Ford, and the cylinder head would have been scrap after overheating (since they don't seem to survive coolant loss).
A more robust engine could well have been up and running again with a new hose and the coolant replaced and bled properly. That's not a complicated job, and one that I'd expect any competent mechanic to be able to carry out. It's the failure of a defective component combined with the fragility of the head when that failure occurs that is the issue here. Neither of those is the fault of the repairing garage.
Had the failure occured later, Ford might well have approved the repair (given the recent softening of their position).
In the circumstances I'd be having strong words with Ford and threatening to get in touch with WatchDog (who were ready to run the story on these engines). I'm sure the Facebook group will give other advice.
A more robust engine could well have been up and running again with a new hose and the coolant replaced and bled properly. That's not a complicated job, and one that I'd expect any competent mechanic to be able to carry out. It's the failure of a defective component combined with the fragility of the head when that failure occurs that is the issue here. Neither of those is the fault of the repairing garage.
Had the failure occured later, Ford might well have approved the repair (given the recent softening of their position).
In the circumstances I'd be having strong words with Ford and threatening to get in touch with WatchDog (who were ready to run the story on these engines). I'm sure the Facebook group will give other advice.
Car-Matt said:
I was merely pointing out that its been repaired once in a situation where it could have overheated outside of the Ford Dealer Network, why then if it overheats subsequently is it their problem, how do they know its been repaired to standard and inspected/re-commissioned correctly in the first place?
Do you run a business?
Yes, I run a small garage business, and I agree with everything gweaver says. The car shouldn't have overheated, coolant hoses should not be an issue (we very rarely replace coolant hoses nowadays, the world has moved on and they are not the fragile things they might have been in the 50s and 60s) and prior to).Do you run a business?
The manufacturers know that they can not bind or lock people into the dealership system, so they must make cars to suit.
And a word about dealerships - we specialise in a certain make of car, and have a relationship with the local main dealer for parts supply. The parts guys have been excellent in their dealings with me and I'm very grateful, I'm also grateful for the dealerships allowing businesses like mine access to their parts supply IT network, which greatly simplifies the whole process.
However, the feedback we get from our customers about the main dealerships is simply as bad as it could be. They are shameless, they literally have no shame. They will rob you blind. They will take your money irrespective of having done the work, and they are then extremely adept at making sure you will not gain access to anyone who can take responsibility. They specialise in ducking and diving. The feedback we have had ranges from Brussels, and France, and up to Newcastle-Upon-Tyne, and it's all the same. They are dreadful.
So be careful of what you wish for. You do NOT want to be locked into these guys.
(And who knows, after Brexit will the manufacturers have to abide by block exemption? That was an EU thing wasn't it?)
heebeegeetee said:
Car-Matt said:
I was merely pointing out that its been repaired once in a situation where it could have overheated outside of the Ford Dealer Network, why then if it overheats subsequently is it their problem, how do they know its been repaired to standard and inspected/re-commissioned correctly in the first place?
Do you run a business?
Yes, I run a small garage business, and I agree with everything gweaver says. The car shouldn't have overheated, coolant hoses should not be an issue (we very rarely replace coolant hoses nowadays, the world has moved on and they are not the fragile things they might have been in the 50s and 60s) and prior to).Do you run a business?
The manufacturers know that they can not bind or lock people into the dealership system, so they must make cars to suit.
And a word about dealerships - we specialise in a certain make of car, and have a relationship with the local main dealer for parts supply. The parts guys have been excellent in their dealings with me and I'm very grateful, I'm also grateful for the dealerships allowing businesses like mine access to their parts supply IT network, which greatly simplifies the whole process.
However, the feedback we get from our customers about the main dealerships is simply as bad as it could be. They are shameless, they literally have no shame. They will rob you blind. They will take your money irrespective of having done the work, and they are then extremely adept at making sure you will not gain access to anyone who can take responsibility. They specialise in ducking and diving. The feedback we have had ranges from Brussels, and France, and up to Newcastle-Upon-Tyne, and it's all the same. They are dreadful.
So be careful of what you wish for. You do NOT want to be locked into these guys.
(And who knows, after Brexit will the manufacturers have to abide by block exemption? That was an EU thing wasn't it?)
Ecoboost victim said:
It is dangerous because there is very commonly no warning at all for what happens. It is most commonly a leak or low coolant that causes the engine failure,, which the engine is not designed to detect because of a design oversight to omit a low coolant level sensor. Sometimes a warning appears on the dash but less than 1min before the engine failes and all power is lost. This normally happens at 70mph on the motor way.
The 1.6 Ecoboost has just been recalled to fit a low level sensor amongst other things. The 1.0 litre should have the same recall.
Car has just gone to Ford on the back of an AA truck. Drove 1 mile and temp gauge went from halfway to full and I turned round to take the car home, then the red light came on with no audible warning (so not entirely sure how long it had been on as it sits just behind where the rev counter needle is) left car on my drive and now wont start. Coolant was at zero when I checked and it was full only a few days ago..... Got the Ford Fiesta Ecoboost 62 plate. AA man couldnt even get the cap of the coolant tank when he arrived and basically said the engine had had it Hoping Ford will fix this at no cost. Only had the car 5 months. You seem to know quite a bit about this - any advice?The 1.6 Ecoboost has just been recalled to fit a low level sensor amongst other things. The 1.0 litre should have the same recall.
My 1L red edition 65 plate suddenly stopped revving the other day and im finding im topping my coolant up way too often? Could anyone indicate any issue here? I turned it off and filled the coolant up, and turned it back on 10 mins later and it was back to normal.. but it was bogglin and not revvin past 1.5k and sounded like it was gonna cut out for a second before i turned it off. I take good care of it! But it does get driven hard. Any ideas
I think the next weak point is the engine failing due to the cambelt breaking up, they need to be serviced regularly with the correct oil, the cambelt is due every 10 years but i'd be looking at 8 years - budget £1000 to do that. The belt blocks the oil pickup pipe. The same thing is happening on the 1.0 and 1.2 PSA engines, they seem to fail sooner.
stevemcs said:
I think the next weak point is the engine failing due to the cambelt breaking up, they need to be serviced regularly with the correct oil, the cambelt is due every 10 years but i'd be looking at 8 years - budget £1000 to do that. The belt blocks the oil pickup pipe. The same thing is happening on the 1.0 and 1.2 PSA engines, they seem to fail sooner.
A grand just to keep the engine running at eight years? eldar said:
stevemcs said:
I think the next weak point is the engine failing due to the cambelt breaking up, they need to be serviced regularly with the correct oil, the cambelt is due every 10 years but i'd be looking at 8 years - budget £1000 to do that. The belt blocks the oil pickup pipe. The same thing is happening on the 1.0 and 1.2 PSA engines, they seem to fail sooner.
A grand just to keep the engine running at eight years? MarkwG said:
eldar said:
stevemcs said:
I think the next weak point is the engine failing due to the cambelt breaking up, they need to be serviced regularly with the correct oil, the cambelt is due every 10 years but i'd be looking at 8 years - budget £1000 to do that. The belt blocks the oil pickup pipe. The same thing is happening on the 1.0 and 1.2 PSA engines, they seem to fail sooner.
A grand just to keep the engine running at eight years? I have a Skoda Citigo. The book and dealer says the cam belf be needs to be replaced every 8 years.
The identical engine in the rest of Europe, Inc VW and Seat, does not require a change at all.
Are the Brits particularly bad at maintenance or just mugs?
eldar said:
MarkwG said:
eldar said:
stevemcs said:
I think the next weak point is the engine failing due to the cambelt breaking up, they need to be serviced regularly with the correct oil, the cambelt is due every 10 years but i'd be looking at 8 years - budget £1000 to do that. The belt blocks the oil pickup pipe. The same thing is happening on the 1.0 and 1.2 PSA engines, they seem to fail sooner.
A grand just to keep the engine running at eight years? I have a Skoda Citigo. The book and dealer says the cam belf be needs to be replaced every 8 years.
The identical engine in the rest of Europe, Inc VW and Seat, does not require a change at all.
Are the Brits particularly bad at maintenance or just mugs?
eldar said:
Routine servicing avoids the need for replacement?
I have a Skoda Citigo. The book and dealer says the cam belf be needs to be replaced every 8 years.
The identical engine in the rest of Europe, Inc VW and Seat, does not require a change at all.
Are the Brits particularly bad at maintenance or just mugs?
Presumably the UK legal system. I have a Skoda Citigo. The book and dealer says the cam belf be needs to be replaced every 8 years.
The identical engine in the rest of Europe, Inc VW and Seat, does not require a change at all.
Are the Brits particularly bad at maintenance or just mugs?
stevemcs said:
I think the next weak point is the engine failing due to the cambelt breaking up, they need to be serviced regularly with the correct oil, the cambelt is due every 10 years but i'd be looking at 8 years - budget £1000 to do that. The belt blocks the oil pickup pipe. The same thing is happening on the 1.0 and 1.2 PSA engines, they seem to fail sooner.
My sister in law has a B Max and had this problem, they cleaned the pickup and did and oil change, fine now.Gassing Station | Ford | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff