Ford Ecoboost Engine Failure (TWICE)
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xxChrisxx said:
My spider sense is tingling! Something doesn't feel quite right about this.
How did the coolant hose fail? Was the coolant hose the cause of the 1st engine too?
Out of interest, and I understand this isn't helpful in any way, why did you buy a small 1L petrol for what is 35k miles a year, which must be dominated by motorway miles. It just seems ill suited to the task.
Yes this !!! Wrong engine!! Perfect for short urban journeys and some longer trips and a low annual milage, the dealer should have advised a diesel, perfect for higher milage and better economy on long motorway runs..How did the coolant hose fail? Was the coolant hose the cause of the 1st engine too?
Out of interest, and I understand this isn't helpful in any way, why did you buy a small 1L petrol for what is 35k miles a year, which must be dominated by motorway miles. It just seems ill suited to the task.
RJP001 said:
Is there not a Formula Ford series running these Ecoboost engines? If there were to be any weaknesses, surely they would likely pick them up?
Yes, but they wouldn't use the radiator and hoses from the pass car though.The failure mode of coolant lose on an integral exhaust manifold is an interesting one.
powerstroke said:
Yes this !!! Wrong engine!! Perfect for short urban journeys and some longer trips and a low annual milage, the dealer should have advised a diesel, perfect for higher milage and better economy on long motorway runs..
Blame government. I now have one as a company car because the P11D values and BIK are far lower than the diseasal models.xxChrisxx said:
Out of interest, and I understand this isn't helpful in any way, why did you buy a small 1L petrol for what is 35k miles a year, which must be dominated by motorway miles. It just seems ill suited to the task.
So you're saying that it's ok for a car engine to fail at 31k and we should expect it?BFG TERRANO said:
226bhp said:
So you're saying that it's ok for a car engine to fail at 31k and we should expect it?
xxChrisxx doesn't understand company car taxation at a guess ?powerstroke said:
xxChrisxx said:
My spider sense is tingling! Something doesn't feel quite right about this.
How did the coolant hose fail? Was the coolant hose the cause of the 1st engine too?
Out of interest, and I understand this isn't helpful in any way, why did you buy a small 1L petrol for what is 35k miles a year, which must be dominated by motorway miles. It just seems ill suited to the task.
Yes this !!! Wrong engine!! Perfect for short urban journeys and some longer trips and a low annual milage, the dealer should have advised a diesel, perfect for higher milage and better economy on long motorway runs..How did the coolant hose fail? Was the coolant hose the cause of the 1st engine too?
Out of interest, and I understand this isn't helpful in any way, why did you buy a small 1L petrol for what is 35k miles a year, which must be dominated by motorway miles. It just seems ill suited to the task.
The fact it is a 1.0lt 3 cylinder has the luddites screaming that a 1.0 is not fit for the Mway, just like they did with the Morris 1000.
At 70mph, you need about 35-40hp to maintain that speed turning less than 2800rpm in the Focus. Hardly a huge stress, and the engine is likely to get an easier time than say a new M3/4, AMG45 and any other performance orientated forced induction engine.
At the end of the day, turbo motors will never match the equivalent N/A motor in the reliability stakes.
More moving parts = more to go wrong. Sods law states this will be the case.
The fact that engines are coming from the factory in an ever higher state of tune only add's to the risk.
More moving parts = more to go wrong. Sods law states this will be the case.
The fact that engines are coming from the factory in an ever higher state of tune only add's to the risk.
Playing devils advocate somewhat, as this doesn't directly link to this particular scenario from what has been said; your average 2.0tdi vag lump gets serviced every 10k (well 9600 miles) or annually; variable servicing on average is 18 k miles from what I've seen on t'internet. Think of the oil capacity for a tdi lump, the low rpm and boost the turbo runs and compared to that of the ecoboost, 12k miles seems ludicrous for a service interval for that engine. Good for company car owners maybe, but for the bhp/L, it wouldn't be that silly to say 5/6k oil change intervals like other brands have used.
OP, in no way should you be paying for this. Whilst the warranty maybe 60k, complete failure at 62k (even though it's technically 31k) is not acceptable. Find out the cause of the broken hose then speak to ford HQ. if no luck there, then start with the press. Twitter always gets a good response.
Will be interesting to see the outcome of this. I assume, as with most small engined fords, there is no temp gauge?
Will be interesting to see the outcome of this. I assume, as with most small engined fords, there is no temp gauge?
heners54 said:
Playing devils advocate somewhat, as this doesn't directly link to this particular scenario from what has been said; your average 2.0tdi vag lump gets serviced every 10k (well 9600 miles) or annually; variable servicing on average is 18 k miles from what I've seen on t'internet. Think of the oil capacity for a tdi lump, the low rpm and boost the turbo runs and compared to that of the ecoboost, 12k miles seems ludicrous for a service interval for that engine. Good for company car owners maybe, but for the bhp/L, it wouldn't be that silly to say 5/6k oil change intervals like other brands have used.
Agree on the servicing comment. However, for myself and many others that would mean servicing a 6 weekly event. Not ideal.Also without wishing to go off piste a good friend who is manager at a vag dealer said service intervals are pushed out to manipulate "cost per mile" figures. If it were my own Eco boost I'd drop the oil myself every 6 weeks, company car? Nah, let it pop.
226bhp said:
So you're saying that it's ok for a car engine to fail at 31k and we should expect it?
It's not ok, but each time an engine is pushed in terms of technology and architecture, you get a spike in unreliability. I'm just interested in why there were two failures in very similar circumstances.It just seemed that an oil burner would be more suited to the drivers needs of 35k a year motorway work. Exactly the same way that buying an diesel to drive to the shops is ill suited.
if you'll notice this was before it was clear that it was a company car.
He chose it for low BIK, which is a perfectly understandable and valid reason.
Edited by xxChrisxx on Wednesday 24th September 10:43
xxChrisxx said:
226bhp said:
So you're saying that it's ok for a car engine to fail at 31k and we should expect it?
It's not ok, but each time an engine is pushed in terms of technology and architecture, you get a spike in unreliability. I'm just interested in why there were two failures in very similar circumstances.It just seemed that an oil burner would be more suited to the drivers needs of 35k a year motorway work. Exactly the same way that buying an diesel to drive to the shops is ill suited.
if you'll notice this was before it was clear that it was a company car.
He chose it for low BIK, which is a perfectly understandable and valid reason.
Edited by xxChrisxx on Wednesday 24th September 10:43
Find the specs of the car you propose and compare them to this one, the Fester has an average MPG of 65.7.
I am also interested in the failure, if it is (as has been quoted in the thread) a hose which can be replaced and has been superseded then it's no great disaster.
UPDATE
Just been to view the car and looked at the offending PLASTIC PIPE that burst. It was incredibly brittle. See below.
I then went into the showroom, open the bonnet of a new EcoBoost car and found the plastic pipe has been replaced by a RUBBER HOSE See Below.
Whilst talking to the technicians it seems this is a common problem. Last week they changed a similar engine, and currently have a car needing a new cylinder head, and another fully stripped down for investigation.
I am still waiting for the Ford Customer Care line to call me back.
I will keep you updated.
Just been to view the car and looked at the offending PLASTIC PIPE that burst. It was incredibly brittle. See below.
I then went into the showroom, open the bonnet of a new EcoBoost car and found the plastic pipe has been replaced by a RUBBER HOSE See Below.
Whilst talking to the technicians it seems this is a common problem. Last week they changed a similar engine, and currently have a car needing a new cylinder head, and another fully stripped down for investigation.
I am still waiting for the Ford Customer Care line to call me back.
I will keep you updated.
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