New Ford Focus RS

New Ford Focus RS

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clewsey

66 posts

110 months

Sunday 19th March 2017
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Mine was ordered mid sept last year so around 6 months or so wait. I don't know how long my car has been in Dagenham as I didn't even know it was there yesterday until I called.

Problem with the spoiler is unknown right now. Guildford didn't tell me the details, they said they were going to find out more this week. They couldn't indicate any timeframe so will wait and see what's said.

Whole situation is not ideal, especially as I have a car I now need to sell.

PeterGadsby

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1,303 posts

162 months

Sunday 19th March 2017
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Thanks - I would really appreciate anything else you hear

jwrigglesworth

25 posts

103 months

Thursday 23rd March 2017
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clewsey said:
Mine was ordered mid sept last year so around 6 months or so wait. I don't know how long my car has been in Dagenham as I didn't even know it was there yesterday until I called.

Problem with the spoiler is unknown right now. Guildford didn't tell me the details, they said they were going to find out more this week. They couldn't indicate any timeframe so will wait and see what's said.

Whole situation is not ideal, especially as I have a car I now need to sell.
Ordered mine on the 28th April last year, still haven't seen it.

mikeouk

100 posts

183 months

Monday 27th March 2017
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jwrigglesworth said:
Just had an email to say the car is being built today, should see it next week.
If anyone's interested in it, here's the spec
Nitrous blue, all options except sunroof & seats.
cost 33189 GBP
this is the price youd pay because it was ordered pre price rises ,so its price protected to you only. If you cancelled order and someone else bought it from the dealer, it would be at the current price.
Only way for someone else to get it at this price, is for you to buy, register and pay for it, and then sell it to someone else as a one owner car, but why bother with that hassle if your not making any profit? only reason id do this is if the dealer refuses to refund your deposit if you cancel.

mikeouk

100 posts

183 months

Monday 27th March 2017
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for anyone still undecided on placing an order or buying a used one, heres my opinion (ive been following the mk3 prices closely because ive had one on order since june 16 and due to pick it up next saturday).

Cheapest ive seen so far is around £30000 for an early build 16 plate with 10000plus miles on. Any car built before september 16 will have sync2, not sync3, not a big deal breaker i know, but a few years down the line a sync3 car will be more desirable. ALso, bear in mind, some early builds have had problems with coolant leaking into the block, causing engine failure, ford have replaced engines under warranty, but this is a potential ticking time bomb with early build cars that havnt done much mileage.

Theres a big amount of used mk3's for sale, some still at a premium, cant see them selling. As already mentioned, the ship has sailed for people trying to sell above list. Nitrous blue is by far the most popular colour, theres loads of them, they dont command a higher price to other colours.

anyone who is going to finance the car, you can get a lower rate on a new reg than you can on a used car, so, do the maths, a used one might be a grand cheaper but you may end up paying that in extra interest charges.

cancelled orders arnt cheaper because they were ordered months ago (theres been 2 price increases since i ordered mine), if an order is cancelled by original customer, the price protection is cancelled out by ford, the car will be at current list price.

Ford will soon stop taking orders, the mk4 focus starts production later this year, this will undoubtedly change the market for used cars. The glut of used cars will become more desirable and sell at the right price.

remember the tax rate goes up an extra £500 on first reg of a new RS from 1st april.


davey68

1,199 posts

236 months

Tuesday 28th March 2017
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Interestingly I had my ST Fiesta MP215 serviced today. Speaking to a couple of the mechanics they felt the RS wasnt quite as quick as it should be. Drivetrain losses (plus weight) seemed to be the reason. Even with the mountune 375 they said it still lacked something. Real shame as I think going 4WD was a sensible option but may have dulled the car a little.

Dal3D

1,174 posts

150 months

Tuesday 28th March 2017
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davey68 said:
Interestingly I had my ST Fiesta MP215 serviced today. Speaking to a couple of the mechanics they felt the RS wasnt quite as quick as it should be. Drivetrain losses (plus weight) seemed to be the reason. Even with the mountune 375 they said it still lacked something. Real shame as I think going 4WD was a sensible option but may have dulled the car a little.
'cause mechanics know better than owners and event test drivers eh? Goes to prove they rag the nuts off cold cars on post service test drives perhaps.

Ahbefive

11,657 posts

171 months

Tuesday 28th March 2017
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davey68 said:
Interestingly I had my ST Fiesta MP215 serviced today. Speaking to a couple of the mechanics they felt the RS wasnt quite as quick as it should be. Drivetrain losses (plus weight) seemed to be the reason. Even with the mountune 375 they said it still lacked something. Real shame as I think going 4WD was a sensible option but may have dulled the car a little.
Drive one and make your own decision. A mechanic is hardly likely to have performance tested the car over thousands of miles like owners and journos have. If 60mph in 4.7 and 1/4 mile in 13-14 seconds is slow with a car that is fantastic at handling then they must have very high standsrds and must think that your car is glacial, do you?

LukeRS

193 posts

84 months

Wednesday 29th March 2017
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davey68 said:
Interestingly I had my ST Fiesta MP215 serviced today. Speaking to a couple of the mechanics they felt the RS wasnt quite as quick as it should be. Drivetrain losses (plus weight) seemed to be the reason. Even with the mountune 375 they said it still lacked something. Real shame as I think going 4WD was a sensible option but may have dulled the car a little.
The mechanics do have a point. I owned an MK3 for 3 months. Its a quick car, but not fast fast. For example, on private land side by side with my mates Peron Stage 1 Fiesta ST we had a play. Guess who won? Nobody, exactly the same speed, I just couldn't shake him. Had a go with my other mates Mountune Stage 2 Fiesta ST, exactly the same again, side by side all the way. Surely this time against my mate in a 211BHP Mini JCW which is a completely standard car, EXACTLY THE SAME SPEED AGAIN. So, I now have an MK2 RS and when it was standard, tried again, walked away from them every single time.

Now, if it was point to point there's no denying my MK3 would probably wipe the floor with my MK2 as standard and just about everything else you see on the road, from traffic lights the MK3 would leave the MK2 and the other cars listed above for dead there's no question about that.

My next car will probably be an MK3, but only when they are down below around £25k.

That's just my evidence from my own ownership, my MK3 was completely standard and I have seen that with a remap they are ALOT faster.

Rat_Fink_67

2,309 posts

205 months

Wednesday 29th March 2017
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From a few longterm tests I've read, the mk3 does seem to loosen up quite drastically as it's run in and become noticeably quicker. I've only driven brand new ones and they do feel slightly strangled. I'm sure once a few thousand miles are under it's belt, a mk2 or Fiesta ST wouldn't see which way the mk3 went.

Dal3D

1,174 posts

150 months

Wednesday 29th March 2017
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Rat_Fink_67 said:
From a few longterm tests I've read, the mk3 does seem to loosen up quite drastically as it's run in and become noticeably quicker. I've only driven brand new ones and they do feel slightly strangled. I'm sure once a few thousand miles are under it's belt, a mk2 or Fiesta ST wouldn't see which way the mk3 went.
I agree entirely. Once mine had a couple of thousand miles under it's belt it was so much better. Now at five thousand miles it's great and rather a different car to the one one I picked up nearly a year ago.

davey68

1,199 posts

236 months

Wednesday 29th March 2017
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Calm down people, no need to be so defensive. I'm just saying what two people said at different times at the dealer I was at. They had an RS in the workshop and I said 'bet that goes well' and both said 'not as well as you would think' and went on to make some comments and comparisons. Interestingly one preferred the mk2 and another said an MR265 fiesta is neck and neck with the RS (once rolling not from standstill I presume). I appreciate it's all just a persons opinion but I was surprised the comments were so luke warm. Also, my ST wouldnt see which way an RS went, did I say otherwise in my post? It's not a competitor in any measurable way to an RS is it? (price, performance, running costs, size). No car is perfect (fiesta has cheap and dated interior, weak headlights and a stiff ride). I'm an RS fan and have probably read every test, review and group test published in the motor press. Initial reviews said it was the king of hot hatches, more recent group tests have cooled a little. Ford should be praised for their efforts, proper 4WD rather than bl**dy Haldex. It's a fair point about loosening up though, perhaps the 2.3 comes into it's own with a few miles.

Edited by davey68 on Wednesday 29th March 10:55

LukeRS

193 posts

84 months

Wednesday 29th March 2017
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Rat_Fink_67 said:
From a few longterm tests I've read, the mk3 does seem to loosen up quite drastically as it's run in and become noticeably quicker. I've only driven brand new ones and they do feel slightly strangled. I'm sure once a few thousand miles are under it's belt, a mk2 or Fiesta ST wouldn't see which way the mk3 went.
A fiesta ST standard would have no chance, no denying that. The MK2 RS is faster rolling, regardless of your opinion, I can tell you that as a fact.

Rat_Fink_67

2,309 posts

205 months

Wednesday 29th March 2017
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LukeRS said:
A fiesta ST standard would have no chance, no denying that. The MK2 RS is faster rolling, regardless of your opinion, I can tell you that as a fact.
A mk3 is what, 30kg's heavier? But with 40+ more hp and the same torque (with another 20lb ft available when on overboost) and 4 wheel drive...what speed are we talking about "rolling" at? A mk2 is around 205hp per ton, and a mk3 is about 215hp per ton. The newer car has better 0-60, 0-100 and 1/4 mile figures, so I don't possibly see how the mk2 is faster under any circumstances barring an RS500. Regardless of your opinion.

davey68

1,199 posts

236 months

Wednesday 29th March 2017
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Honestly not trying to start an argument. I don't know if a mk2 or mk3 is quicker. Off the line clearly a mk3, once rolling it might be closer. How heavy was the mk2? Autocar tested a mk3 and it was weighed as 1570kg. Also, don't forget the 4wd drivetrain losses sap power. Once rolling it could make a difference. I saw a rolling test between a M140i and A45 AMG and the M140i pulled away every time despite being down on power (but 2wd and up on torque I think). Same with the new type R, looking purely at 0-60 you would imagine it would get destroyed by an RS but once rolling (a more realistic comparison for the road) it might be close. The only way to know would be to compare the two standard cars.

LukeRS

193 posts

84 months

Wednesday 29th March 2017
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Rat_Fink_67 said:
A mk3 is what, 30kg's heavier? But with 40+ more hp and the same torque (with another 20lb ft available when on overboost) and 4 wheel drive...what speed are we talking about "rolling" at? A mk2 is around 205hp per ton, and a mk3 is about 215hp per ton. The newer car has better 0-60, 0-100 and 1/4 mile figures, so I don't possibly see how the mk2 is faster under any circumstances barring an RS500. Regardless of your opinion.
Yes you are right about the power, however not many MK3's are actually running 345bhp from factory. Do some research and you will see that most are running less than claimed, RiverSide Racing will confirm that for you on their Instagram page. And yes 0-60, 0-100 and 1/4 mile the MK3 is always going to win because of LAUNCH CONTROL, I am not denying that, I am talking about rolling speeds, like 30mph side by side where transmission loss comes into play. By the way, my 'opinion' is fact and tested. Your opinion is infact OPINION. I have had both cars and tested it.

Ahbefive

11,657 posts

171 months

Wednesday 29th March 2017
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Sorry but your "factual opinion" is bullst. The mk3 is faster off the line and also in gear over most increments. Also I have seen umpteen of these rolling roaded and all of them have been putting out within 5-10bhp of manufacturer figures. You really are talking tripe.

Also a fiesta ST would need to be heavily modified 250bhp+ to keep with a standard RS. Anyway you just keep pointing to facts like we should take your misinformed word about it but the facts really do speak for themselves. A mk2 will walk away from an ST but a mk3 won't? You are just being silly and the more you persist, the sillier you look.

Mk 2:

Mk 3:

Edited by Ahbefive on Wednesday 29th March 17:02

LukeRS

193 posts

84 months

Wednesday 29th March 2017
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Ahbefive said:
Sorry but your "factual opinion" is bullst. The mk3 is faster off the line and also in gear over most increments. Also I have seen umpteen of these rolling roaded and all of them have been putting out within 5-10bhp of manufacturer figures. You really are talking tripe.

Also a fiesta ST would need to be heavily modified 250bhp+ to keep with a standard RS. Anyway you just keep pointing to facts like we should take your misinformed word about it but the facts really do speak for themselves. A mk2 will walk away from an ST but a mk3 won't? You are just being silly and the more you persist, the sillier you look.

Mk 2:

Mk 3:

Edited by Ahbefive on Wednesday 29th March 17:02
You keep reading the facts sheets mate, I will stick to personal experiences of car vs car real life. I'm telling you what has happened in real life against real cars, keep reading your facts sheet and reassuring yourself. If you do actually own an MK3, don't try racing a Mini JCW, Stage 1 fiesta ST and DEFINITELY don't try racing an MK2 RS, unless of course you are at traffic lights - then do race and you will win.
Have a good day
Luke

Ahbefive

11,657 posts

171 months

Wednesday 29th March 2017
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Hilarious. rofl

I have one, a friend has a mk2 and another has a lexus isf amongst other cars. The mk2 is very marginally the slowest of the 3 in gear and always gets properly left behind from a standing start. You are deluded to think anything else. A mini is also in a totally separate league or 2 down. The stats speak the truth, why on Earth wouldn't they?

You just keep digging.






Edited by Ahbefive on Wednesday 29th March 17:50

LukeRS

193 posts

84 months

Wednesday 29th March 2017
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Ahbefive said:
Hilarious. rofl

I have one, a friend has a mk2 and another has a lexus isf amongst other cars. The mk2 is very marginally the slowest of the 3 in gear and always gets properly left behind from a standing start. You are deluded to think anything else. A mini is also in a totally separate league or 2 down. The stats speak the truth, why on Earth wouldn't they?

You just keep digging.






Edited by Ahbefive on Wednesday 29th March 17:50
I am not digging, I'm speaking from my own experiences with my own car, my RS couldn't shake the Stage 1 Fiesta ST or the Mini, it obviously shouldn't have happened. Perhaps my car was down on power, all I know is that my MK2 pulls away from them. Doesn't seem right, I'm just explaining the situations that I have been in myself. No need to get so defensive at all, I'm clearly a fast Ford fan like yourself and as I have already said my next car will probably be an MK3, will be Mountuned though next time.
Enjoy your cars, I certainly enjoyed mine.