RS or ST

[:J:]

I was going to chop my RS in for an ST, but after having my dads ST parked next to the RS many times, it just seems to fat, too boring and just.....yaaaawn....too look at, a big slab of shapeless nothing. I have driven it and been driven in it, it is a very capable and good at what it does kind of car, it's just, IMO and from my wants in a car, not comparable to the RS. It is like the old mans version of the RS, it takes away the extra 10% of rawness the RS can give and replaces it with comfort.

If I were going straight to an ST without experiencing RS, it would be another matter, but IMO, it would be like swapping some sporty trainers for some snazzy slippers.

My dad has been dissapointed ever since he sold me his RS and got the ST. He reckons it is nowhere near the 'drivers' car the RS is.

So, as we are all different and have different wants/needs in a car, try them both and one will deliver where the other cannot.

ST is just too common and is another in the long line of XR\Gti mass produced Fords, whereas the RS is pure RS I know it has been mentioned that only 14k have been produced in the last 2 years, but 14k next to 4.5k is still common, let alone how many will have been produced by the time the ST reaches the age the RS is now (where RS will still have only had 4.5k produced).

Dads ST on my drive the other day, got in my car, got to the end of the road, saw another ST, turned left, got to the end of that road, saw another ST. That's 3 well within a mile, they are coming out the woodwork everywhere.

Edited to say : All in my opinion, based on my experiences and my wants in a car.

Edited by :J: on Tuesday 13th November 13:40

[Welshbeef]

The other thing is that didnt the RS actually cost ford £35k per car and they made a loss on every car (purely down to the limited run R&D costs spread over 4.5k cars).

Also the fuel economy in the ST s rubbish so as its a drivers car your spending more time wasted at the pumps instead of enjoying driving it.

You thought about an S2000 - now thats a proper drivers car (same £k too).

[:J:]

Welshbeef said:

The other thing is that didnt the RS actually cost ford £35k per car and they made a loss on every car (purely down to the limited run R&D costs spread over 4.5k cars).

Also the fuel economy in the ST s rubbish so as its a drivers car your spending more time wasted at the pumps instead of enjoying driving it.

You thought about an S2000 - now thats a proper drivers car (same £k too).

Blimey, I have never looked at the mpg on an ST before, just for making the pure assumption that the RS would be like Ollie Reed in comparison, but it appears not !!

[Welshbeef]

:J said:

Blimey, I have never looked at the mpg on an ST before, just for making the pure assumption that the RS would be like Ollie Reed in comparison, but it appears not !!

Yes the ST is certainly a big drinker - remember its a 2.5ltr Turbo 5 cyl, my 2ltr Turbo 5 cyl ave 28-30 and thats a 10yr+ old design so how Ford managed to get so little is shocking & totally non green.

Look at the New Mini Cooper S that has a combined of 45mpg.... and that has 177bhp - or for similar power output you could have a Ren Clio 192 Sport which does.... oh yes 30mpg ish...

[:J:]

I just didn't expect it to be that low, or indeed that close the the RS.

Tyre wear is another thing my dad was moaning about and how he has had to replace them sooner than he did on the RS, don't know if anybody else has the same issue ?

Edited by :J: on Tuesday 13th November 14:08

[Welshbeef]

:J: said:

I wouldn't expect it from a Volvo engine from the pure point of view, and I am generalising here, that most Volvo owners wouldn't accept such a thing.

Tyre wear is another thing my dad was moaning about and how he has had to replace them sooner than he did on the RS, don't know if anybody else has the same issue ?

I think you need to look up the combined MPG for the T5's Volvo's or look at the similar Saab 95 Aero's to get an idea of the sort of mpg a bigger capacity turbo petrol does achieve.

Why they didnt have a higher boost 2.0ltr or even higher boost 1.8ltr is beyone me especially in the current fuel saving environment.

Is the ST in Band G?? isnt that £400VED next year - ouch.

[:J:]

The T5 was one that sprung to mind when writing my comment, hence the edit to remove the bit you had already quoted

I dunno, I could easily go for an ST in blue and be quite happy..........if only I hadn't had the RS experience

[thekirbyfake]

Welshbeef said:

Is the ST in Band G?? isnt that £400VED next year - ouch.

Band F - just.

re the mpg it really depends on how you drive it but low 20's are entirely possible. I get 26-28.

If somebody is really that worried about mpg they shouldn't be looking at either the RS or ST.

[:J:]

I don't worry about mpg, otherwise, like you say, I wouldn't have got the car in the first place, I get around 26mpg on a 'sensible' long drive, I am just suprised at the mpg of the ST, what with it being so close to the RS.

I believe that on a track you can expect the heady heights of around 8mpg from an RS !!

Edited by :J: on Tuesday 13th November 14:45

[Welshbeef]

thekirbyfake said:

Welshbeef said:

Is the ST in Band G?? isnt that £400VED next year - ouch.

Band F - just.

re the mpg it really depends on how you drive it but low 20's are entirely possible. I get 26-28.

If somebody is really that worried about mpg they shouldn't be looking at either the RS or ST.

Well unless £ is no object and you enjoy going to the fuel station wasting time then yes it doesnt matter - however I'd assume that to the vast majority car running costs (excl depn) are highly significant & also the fact that either afte work or before work another trip to the fuel stop is required. It could make a rather slow car in effect much quicker to get from A-B when considering the number of times refuels are required.

[thekirbyfake]

I get 33mpg driving at a constant 70mph in top. Call that 30mpg on a sensible motorway cruise.

[Apex clipper]

Welshbeef said:

The other thing is that didnt the RS actually cost ford £35k per car and they made a loss on every car (purely down to the limited run R&D costs spread over 4.5k cars).

Also the fuel economy in the ST s rubbish so as its a drivers car your spending more time wasted at the pumps instead of enjoying driving it.

You thought about an S2000 - now thats a proper drivers car (same £k too).

27k was the final figure that Ford candidly admitted to being the true cost of wheeling every one of them out.

[Neil.D]

AsianMpower said:

It maybe a mass produced car and you will see a few about but then so is a m3, m5, porsche 911 yet you dont see people saying they are common.

GIXERJIM - I still say stop being gay and get an E39 M5. You know you want to

[Welshbeef]

Neil.D said:

AsianMpower said:

It maybe a mass produced car and you will see a few about but then so is a m3, m5, porsche 911 yet you dont see people saying they are common.

GIXERJIM - I still say stop being gay and get an E39 M5. You know you want to

lol what with £0.99/ltr unleaded.... & 15-20k milage a year ouch.

[:J:]

Only 99p, count yourself lucky, Super Unleaded is at £1.05 round here at the moment

[Welshbeef]

:J: said:

Only 99p, count yourself lucky, Super Unleaded is at £1.05 round here at the moment

Oh sorry well Super is £1.079 thats a hell of a lot.

[:J:]

Welshbeef said:

:J: said:

Only 99p, count yourself lucky, Super Unleaded is at £1.05 round here at the moment

Oh sorry well Super is £1.079 thats a hell of a lot.

I was wrong, not filled up for a bit, went last night and £1.07.9 now !!!

Jeeeeeeeesus !!!

[Welshbeef]

:J: said:

Welshbeef said:

:J: said:

Only 99p, count yourself lucky, Super Unleaded is at £1.05 round here at the moment

Oh sorry well Super is £1.079 thats a hell of a lot.

I was wrong, not filled up for a bit, went last night and £1.07.9 now !!!

Jeeeeeeeesus !!!

Well - £ talks at the end of the day and with prices going up from £0.879 in Sept06 to £1.079 in Nov07 it really does mean that even the biggest PH has to take note and start to choose cars with their head over their heart (I'll ignore the countless posts from the young ones without any mortgages to pay)

[Apex clipper]

:J: said:

Welshbeef said:

:J: said:

Only 99p, count yourself lucky, Super Unleaded is at £1.05 round here at the moment

Oh sorry well Super is £1.079 thats a hell of a lot.

I was wrong, not filled up for a bit, went last night and £1.07.9 now !!!

Jeeeeeeeesus !!!

Which brand? BP....wine this end..religiously.

[thekirbyfake]

Welshbeef said:

Well - £ talks at the end of the day and with prices going up from £0.879 in Sept06 to £1.079 in Nov07 it really does mean that even the biggest PH has to take note and start to choose cars with their head over their heart (I'll ignore the countless posts from the young ones without any mortgages to pay)

25mpg & 10k/yr means equates to roughly £1/day more now than last Sep.

If somebody is really worried about £1/day then maybe they shouldn't be looking at an ST or RS. If I was that worried I'd be buying a 1.4 diesel somethingorother.

And trust me, I have a mahooooosive mortgage!