New TVR Tuscan Price
Discussion
900T-R said:
As I mentioned before, as long as there's no definitive specification of the 'new' models it's all speculative. I see no reason why a Chimaera with the same drivetrain/chassis/suspension/brakes as a Sagaris should cost significantly less as a new build.
As for 'advancing through the range' - that point was a bit of a weak spot in the AD 200x range anyway, Tamora/T350/Tuscan/Sagaris all using more or less the same set of mechanicals underneath spanning a rather narrow price and performance range for so many models and variants.
I would agree with you there.As for 'advancing through the range' - that point was a bit of a weak spot in the AD 200x range anyway, Tamora/T350/Tuscan/Sagaris all using more or less the same set of mechanicals underneath spanning a rather narrow price and performance range for so many models and variants.
None of the later cars, up the the Sagaris really interested me anyway (no offence guys/gals), so I fail to possess any real expertise on them.
That however was the opinion I developed through general enquiries when visiting dealers for bits and pieces / servicing; they were (apparently) all much the same mechanicals, so what was up with the prices and models?
I'm sure you could probably argue something similar about many manufacturers though.
Managing that perception is the critical aspect.
IMO there were simply too many models, coming out too quickly, without any proper message as to why I would want over the other.
If you just looked at baseline performance figures, as you say, they appeared to me much of a muchness to me.
Then there came the day when a Sagaris owner told me his old Griff 500 was quicker and faster, and the magic really did start to dwindle, me being a V8 enthusiast (of either derivative) anyway.
Goaty Bill said:
900T-R said:
As I mentioned before, as long as there's no definitive specification of the 'new' models it's all speculative. I see no reason why a Chimaera with the same drivetrain/chassis/suspension/brakes as a Sagaris should cost significantly less as a new build.
As for 'advancing through the range' - that point was a bit of a weak spot in the AD 200x range anyway, Tamora/T350/Tuscan/Sagaris all using more or less the same set of mechanicals underneath spanning a rather narrow price and performance range for so many models and variants.
I would agree with you there.As for 'advancing through the range' - that point was a bit of a weak spot in the AD 200x range anyway, Tamora/T350/Tuscan/Sagaris all using more or less the same set of mechanicals underneath spanning a rather narrow price and performance range for so many models and variants.
None of the later cars, up the the Sagaris really interested me anyway (no offence guys/gals), so I fail to possess any real expertise on them.
That however was the opinion I developed through general enquiries when visiting dealers for bits and pieces / servicing; they were (apparently) all much the same mechanicals, so what was up with the prices and models?
I'm sure you could probably argue something similar about many manufacturers though.
Managing that perception is the critical aspect.
IMO there were simply too many models, coming out too quickly, without any proper message as to why I would want over the other.
If you just looked at baseline performance figures, as you say, they appeared to me much of a muchness to me.
Then there came the day when a Sagaris owner told me his old Griff 500 was quicker and faster, and the magic really did start to dwindle, me being a V8 enthusiast (of either derivative) anyway.
It's hard to justify £100k for a Chim when with the same company you could buy an absolute wreck for a few k and pay them £36k to deliver basically the same thing.
This is why I think it is a red herring. I'm not sure they expect any demand for the older cars but think that any orders for new may be for the Tuscan or Sag.
There is even the possibility that they know there will be no orders for 'new' cars and this element is being used to enhance the 'refurb' offering.
Either way, people are right that it is a Mickey Mouse website, Mickey Mouse offering in the most part and offers nothing other than a new badge over what is already being done by groups around the UK who argueably have greater expertise.
DonkeyApple said:
In fairness he probably hadn't realised that the throttle on his Sag travelled a couple more inches
Not going to argue that one. Damn things sure look quick to me 
DonkeyApple said:
It's hard to justify £100k for a Chim when with the same company you could buy an absolute wreck for a few k and pay them £36k to deliver basically the same thing.
Seems silly doesn't it?DonkeyApple said:
This is why I think it is a red herring. I'm not sure they expect any demand for the older cars but think that any orders for new may be for the Tuscan or Sag.
That would have been my realistic expectation too.DonkeyApple said:
There is even the possibility that they know there will be no orders for 'new' cars and this element is being used to enhance the 'refurb' offering.
A fair point, and a not unreasonable assumption, on your part and theirs.DonkeyApple said:
Either way, people are right that it is a Mickey Mouse website, Mickey Mouse offering in the most part and offers nothing other than a new badge over what is already being done by groups around the UK who argueably have greater expertise.
The crux of the issue.Can't disagree with the above. However every other new car out there at best has me trawling the qualifieds to see what the going rate is for a ten year old equivalent, while - even at £99.6K - the prospect of being able to order a brand new V8 Sagaris lit some sort of desire with me to be able to order such a thing and keep it forever. I can't remember the last time that I felt any aspiration to own a brand new car.
900T-R said:
Can't disagree with the above. However every other new car out there at best has me trawling the qualifieds to see what the going rate is for a ten year old equivalent, while - even at £99.6K - the prospect of being able to order a brand new V8 Sagaris lit some sort of desire with me to be able to order such a thing and keep it forever. I can't remember the last time that I felt any aspiration to own a brand new car.
Although you can probably buy a Sag for not much over £30k and pay Power £36k to have what seems to be pretty much the same thing.Or take it to one of the other LS converters and arguably pay noteably less in some cases.
DonkeyApple said:
Although you can probably buy a Sag for not much over £30k and pay Power £36k to have what seems to be pretty much the same thing.
Or take it to one of the other LS converters and arguably pay noteably less in some cases.
I can always buy a second hand car. And if I bought one of an already dwindling stock of existing Sagarii, I would keep it as a Speed 6. That's beyond the point. If I had £100K I would want a V8 TVR Sagaris. A brand new car to write a new chapter in the history of a brand that I hold dear and that I want resurrected if only to stick two fingers up to the Eurocrats who think they need to decide for me what I can and cannot have in a new car. A car that exists because I specced it and signed on the dotted line. A car that would be exactly as I wanted it and of the development of which I probably would be part, as it would be tailored for me. Or take it to one of the other LS converters and arguably pay noteably less in some cases.
Otherwise, I simply continue as before and either buy cheap and disposable for snotters or buy cheapish and sink considerable sums in making the car what I want it to be.
I may be alone in this, but I have no desire whatsoever to take £100K to the Porsche/Aston/BMW dealer and buy something off the shelf, and will probably never have unless I was in a position where £100K was 'pocket money'.
where the hell are they making these cars now, the tvr website says something about Austria. No offense but Austria has never accomplished anything note worthy in the automotive world EVER.
100 000 pounds for a now glorified Chevy Corvette seems a little excessive. I could see charging that if they where using a good engine say from an Aston Martin or even if they still made their own. But this heavy yankee engine that is underpowered is a serious deal breaker.
The only new TVR I would even consider at this price is a Typhon and they aren't even making them.
Also the TVR classic logo belongs on the old cars. That logo may work for luxury sports car makers but on a childishly awesome car, it just does not belong.
100 000 pounds for a now glorified Chevy Corvette seems a little excessive. I could see charging that if they where using a good engine say from an Aston Martin or even if they still made their own. But this heavy yankee engine that is underpowered is a serious deal breaker.
The only new TVR I would even consider at this price is a Typhon and they aren't even making them.
Also the TVR classic logo belongs on the old cars. That logo may work for luxury sports car makers but on a childishly awesome car, it just does not belong.
jewman22 said:
But this heavy yankee engine that is underpowered is a serious deal breaker.
I suggest you read up about the GM LSx series before making a bit of a fool of yourself... it's probably the lightest and most compact passenger car V8 (bar the bike or race engine derived stuff used in a couple of high end trackday toys) for starters. Much as I would love to hate it coming from General Mediocrity (aka the Detroit Fat Cat Bonus Bank), there's no arguing with the excellence of the LS architecture nor its suitability for small, lightweight sports cars (unlike the Aston V12 engine for instance).
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