So is there any news????

[unrepentant]

V8 Fettler said:

A Corvette:

V8
Plastic
V8
Moderately tacky interior
V8
Historically "challenging" handling, but has improved
V8

A TVR:

V8
Plastic
V8
Moderately tacky interior
V8
Historically "challenging" handling, but has improved
V8

Taste? It's all a matter of taste.

Corvette - high volume sports car with wide appeal that has been in constant production for over 60 years.

TVR - tiny volume sports car sporadically in production through various bankrupcies / ownership changes and which has not produced a car for nearly a decade.

There's no comparison there.

• TVR last produced a V8 in 2003, that's 11 years ago.

[V8 Fettler]

unrepentant said:

V8 Fettler said:

A Corvette:

V8
Plastic
V8
Moderately tacky interior
V8
Historically "challenging" handling, but has improved
V8

A TVR:

V8
Plastic
V8
Moderately tacky interior
V8
Historically "challenging" handling, but has improved
V8

Taste? It's all a matter of taste.

Corvette - high volume sports car with wide appeal that has been in constant production for over 60 years.

TVR - tiny volume sports car sporadically in production through various bankrupcies / ownership changes and which has not produced a car for nearly a decade.

There's no comparison there.

• TVR last produced a V8 in 2003, that's 11 years ago.

Look forwards, not backwards.

[WolfyJones]

V8 Fettler said:

Taste? It's all a matter of taste.

Lol, I'm only pulling your leg

[Lost soul]

Just do the decent thing and let them slip away as a mostly pleasant memory

[alex_gray255]

If the new company takesover the supply of old parts and ensures new supplies are made available,
that's more than good enough for me.

Doubt I'll buy new TVR unless they are really different from other offering, but just happy with a new parts supply

[JLF]

Re parts etc it will be interesting to see how they protect the brand. Small companies producing branded TVR parts could find themselves in trouble if the new owners decide to protect and manage the distribution of “official” TVR parts…..especially if those small companies do not have supporting contracts. I bet there was a lot of agreement made on a handshake.

[glow worm]

JLF said:

Re parts etc it will be interesting to see how they protect the brand. Small companies producing branded TVR parts could find themselves in trouble if the new owners decide to protect and manage the distribution of “official” TVR parts…..especially if those small companies do not have supporting contracts. I bet there was a lot of agreement made on a handshake.

I should imagine Ford,Vauxhall,Citreon,VW,Lucas,AP,Bosch,Hella etc. are quaking in their boots .
I guess the NS Multipart deal is now time expired.

Edited by glow worm on Monday 24th March 18:10

[JLF]

glow worm said:

I should imagine Ford,Vauxhall,Citreon,VW,Lucas,AP,Bosch,Hella etc. are quaking in their boots .
I guess the NS Multipart deal is now time expired.

Edited by glow worm on Monday 24th March 18:10

I was thinking more of the likes of Leven. Parts that use the TVR brand and logo but may not be authorised. Leven bought not so long ago by Paul (Prestige Performance) up in Melton. If a larger VC played hard ball with him it could seriously damage his business.

Edited by JLF on Monday 24th March 19:28

[Lost soul]

JLF said:

glow worm said:

I should imagine Ford,Vauxhall,Citreon,VW,Lucas,AP,Bosch,Hella etc. are quaking in their boots .
I guess the NS Multipart deal is now time expired.

Edited by glow worm on Monday 24th March 18:10

I was thinking more of the likes of Leven. Parts that use the TVR brand and logo but may not be authorised. Leven bought not so long ago by Paul (Prestige Performance) up in Melton. If a larger VC played hard ball with him it could seriously damage his business.

Edited by JLF on Monday 24th March 19:28

He would just have to drop the TVR branding , plenty of pattern parts suppliers out there

[Walford]

Lost soul said:

smilo996 said:

The GT3 fiasco is much worse than any of the issues with modern TVR's and the only engine repalcement recall in motoring history.

But they did recall in the end , which is more than TVR did with the chocolate S6 engine

Early Tuscans should have been recalled for handling issues the fact that some of these cars are being driven around 14 years later is unbelievable, fair play to the Germans for recalling these cars

[smilo996]

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Walford said:

Lost soul said:

smilo996 said:

The GT3 fiasco is much worse than any of the issues with modern TVR's and the only engine repalcement recall in motoring history.

But they did recall in the end , which is more than TVR did with the chocolate S6 engine

Early Tuscans should have been recalled for handling issues the fact that some of these cars are being driven around 14 years later is unbelievable, fair play to the Germans for recalling these cars

[smilo996]

smilo996 said:

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Walford said:

Lost soul said:

smilo996 said:

The GT3 fiasco is much worse than any of the issues with modern TVR's and the only engine repalcement recall in motoring history.

But they did recall in the end , which is more than TVR did with the chocolate S6 engine

Early Tuscans should have been recalled for handling issues the fact that some of these cars are being driven around 14 years later is unbelievable, fair play to the Germans for recalling these cars

Come on boys. I know there is an illogical Porsche love in on Pistonheads and my comment about the exact nature of TVR's history is a little off. However some perspective.
TVR made their cars in a shed. The S6 was the first car engine they made. Their R&D / Test budget was likely as much as Porsche spent on canteen coffee.
It was 1999 not 2014.

The 911 and performance versions is a car Porsche in one form or another have produced for 50 years. It is not knew. the engine is not completely new The actual car costs the wrong side of 100,000GBP not half that. Porsche make 150,000 cars per annum and unlike TVR who never at any time made it a cornerstone of their business that their cars were at the peak of engineering excellence, Porsche do.

Many Porsche owners would also attest to the serious and dangerous handling issues with the 911 which Porsche have managed to solve after 30 odd years of fanatical engineering, 4WD, table sized spoilers and moving the engine further forward in the chassis.

I quote Jack Olsen "The Porsche (911) is a famously difficult car to drive. Putting the engine in the back famously is not a great idea. Porsche has spent nearly 50 years fixing that problem with engineering. If you can learn to drive a 911, you can learn to drive anything.

This is likely the reason Porsche are being forced to make a completely new mid engined car to compete with Ferrari and McLaren and presumably why, the year after being massacred by McLaren at Le Mans, Porsche broke the rules and turned up with a mid engined 911 in 1996.

[alex_gray255]

smilo996 said:

I quote Jack Olsen ".... If you can learn to drive a 911, you can learn to drive anything.

He was probably misquoted. He must have been talking about a mk1 Tuscan at the time

[jayemm89]

I suppose the point of TVR is they were never really a direct competitor with Porsche, Ferrari, etc... but more a constant thorn in the side and let us not underestimate the number of people who will buy a car simply because it IS something different.

One day I hope to own a Tuscan as despite being 15 years old I think it still looks a great car inside and out.

From what I read it seemed NS had gone a long way to sorting a lot of the problems with the factory but it was too little too late. Shaking a reputation has to be massively hard, I still know people who won't touch a Maserati or an Alfa with a bargepole because "A mate had one in the 80s and it was never out of the garage and rusted within two years...."

I look forward to seeing the New TVR (Mark 5 or 6?) but I don't expect it to happen quick.

[unrepentant]

jayemm89 said:

From what I read it seemed NS had gone a long way to sorting a lot of the problems with the factory but it was too little too late.

You mean he closed it down?

NS went a long way to sorting nothing. He bought the company (without doing due diligence) when the line up of cars - Sagaris, Tuscan 2, Tuscan 2 convertible, T350 and Tamora was as strong as it ever was. He got rid of or otherwise lost all the good people, put the idiot Oxley in charge and proceeded to run the thing into the ground whilst alienating his last few loyal customers. What exactly do you think he sorted?.

[crosseyedlion]

unrepentant said:

You mean he closed it down?

NS went a long way to sorting nothing. He bought the company (without doing due diligence) when the line up of cars - Sagaris, Tuscan 2, Tuscan 2 convertible, T350 and Tamora was as strong as it ever was. He got rid of or otherwise lost all the good people, put the idiot Oxley in charge and proceeded to run the thing into the ground whilst alienating his last few loyal customers. What exactly do you think he sorted?.

Quality.

[TA14]

smilo996 said:

The S6 was the first car engine they made.

AJP V8?

[TA14]

unrepentant said:

the line up of cars - Sagaris, Tuscan 2, Tuscan convertible, T350 and Tamora was as strong as it ever was

even stronger - add the Cerbera.

[TA14]

JLF said:

Re parts etc it will be interesting to see how they protect the brand. Small companies producing branded TVR parts could find themselves in trouble if the new owners decide to protect and manage the distribution of “official” TVR parts…..especially if those small companies do not have supporting contracts. I bet there was a lot of agreement made on a handshake.

An odd one. It's the first thing that I would have done but a year later and no support you have to think that it's not in their plans. With not selling anything you would have thought that they'd appreciate the income.

[unrepentant]

TA14 said:

unrepentant said:

the line up of cars - Sagaris, Tuscan 2, Tuscan convertible, T350 and Tamora was as strong as it ever was

even stronger - add the Cerbera.

Cerbie was out of production by 2003.