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WolfyJones said:
.........if racing green sell the 100k Sag does that mean all Sags are worth 100k just because that is what someone is willing to pay for one,
No, not if it is a one off sale of a car that has added value for whatever reason.IMO only a complete idiot would pay £100k for a Sag, but if they keep selling them at £100k a time then yes that is what they are worth, that is how buying/selling anything works.
Ribol said:
No, not if it is a one off sale of a car that has added value for whatever reason.
IMO only a complete idiot would pay £100k for a Sag, but if they keep selling them at £100k a time then yes that is what they are worth, that is how buying/selling anything works.
No it's not, it's an ex factory car with a FFF engine, a few of them about all ready,IMO only a complete idiot would pay £100k for a Sag, but if they keep selling them at £100k a time then yes that is what they are worth, that is how buying/selling anything works.
As far as idiots go is someone who pays 170k for a 360CS or 300k for a 997 4.0RS or 60k for a CSL an idiot?
WolfyJones said:
No it's not, it's an ex factory car with a FFF engine, a few of them about all ready,
As far as idiots go is someone who pays 170k for a 360CS or 300k for a 997 4.0RS or 60k for a CSL an idiot?
IMO means just that "in my opinion", I am entitled to it and if it differs to yours then so be it, but it isn't going to change.As far as idiots go is someone who pays 170k for a 360CS or 300k for a 997 4.0RS or 60k for a CSL an idiot?
This thread is about Sag prices, not interested in what people spend on other cars as that isn't relevant here.
Ribol said:
MO means just that "in my opinion", I am entitled to it and if it differs to yours then so be it, but it isn't going to change.
This thread is about Sag prices, not interested in what people spend on other cars as that isn't relevant here.
I don't think this thread is about Sag prices, judging by the original post. This thread is about Sag prices, not interested in what people spend on other cars as that isn't relevant here.
There are plenty of other threads that discuss the prices of Sags, but this seems to be more about the unwillingness of owners to sell or move on prices. Not directly the prices themselves.
Whilst i agree whole heartedly that anything is "only worth what someone is willing to pay", the same can be said that if no-one is willing to sell at that price then it is worth more.
i.e. me being willing to only pay £10 for a Bugatti Veyron does not make it worth £10. It is a combination of what the seller is willing to part with the car for and my willingness to part with my cash
If you're opinion "isn't going to change" then why are you on a forum? the whole point of a forum is to exchange ideas and opinions and to change them accordingly.
Can you honestly tell me that you have never read or seen anything that has changed your mind? If that is the case then (once again) why are you here?
Whilst it is difficult to believe why the seller will not budge at all on the asking price, it is also difficult to believe that the OP'er won't go up by just £1.5k-£2k to get what you want - surely you don't really want a Sagaris badly enough? If its a money issue then suggest you cannot afford to run one if you are struggling to find a spare £1.5 to £2k.
If its out of principle then - despite people trying to talk the prices down - they will continue to rise: probably not enough to give a decent return if you are looking for an investment but decent enough to not worry about £1.5k to £2k over a long term period.
If its out of principle then - despite people trying to talk the prices down - they will continue to rise: probably not enough to give a decent return if you are looking for an investment but decent enough to not worry about £1.5k to £2k over a long term period.
Have to agree it is a funny old market out there for Sag's ATM.
When I was looking towards the end of last year I saw several and made three offers before I finally settled on another one. All three were held by dealers on an SOR basis and two of those are still for sale. In fact one dealer told me he thought all of the Sag's for sale via dealers at the time were being held on an SOR basis.
In all cases the dealers went back to the sellers but they all came back saying they didn't actually drive the cars now and were hanging on until they got the asking price as they didn't need the money.
When I was looking towards the end of last year I saw several and made three offers before I finally settled on another one. All three were held by dealers on an SOR basis and two of those are still for sale. In fact one dealer told me he thought all of the Sag's for sale via dealers at the time were being held on an SOR basis.
In all cases the dealers went back to the sellers but they all came back saying they didn't actually drive the cars now and were hanging on until they got the asking price as they didn't need the money.
phoenixz said:
Whilst i agree whole heartedly that anything is "only worth what someone is willing to pay", the same can be said that if no-one is willing to sell at that price then it is worth more.
i.e. me being willing to only pay £10 for a Bugatti Veyron does not make it worth £10. It is a combination of what the seller is willing to part with the car for and my willingness to part with my cash
If you HAVE to sell a car it is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it, that has always been the case. If you might sell your car if you can find someone who is willing to pay more than it is worth that is a different matter. In this instance you might be looking for a mug who is willing to pay more than its worth because they don't care - this doesn't make the car worth any more. If they had to sell it the next day what would it be "worth" then?i.e. me being willing to only pay £10 for a Bugatti Veyron does not make it worth £10. It is a combination of what the seller is willing to part with the car for and my willingness to part with my cash
phoenixz said:
If you're opinion "isn't going to change" then why are you on a forum? the whole point of a forum is to exchange ideas and opinions and to change them accordingly.
Can you honestly tell me that you have never read or seen anything that has changed your mind? If that is the case then (once again) why are you here?
I am on this forum because like you I can be, my post count would suggest I am no stranger to the place and know what it is about but thanks for your insight anyway.Can you honestly tell me that you have never read or seen anything that has changed your mind? If that is the case then (once again) why are you here?
If opinions are that easy to sway they wouldn't be much of an opinion would they? The "Sag pricing situation" isn't anything new, it has happened before with many cars, so my opinion is based on that and isn't going to change. I wouldn't pay almost double (£100k) of what a car is really worth (£50>60k) to get one and anyone who does is, well you pick a word that sits better in print in PC 2014, mine hasn't changed.
Ribol said:
If you HAVE to sell a car it is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it, that has always been the case. If you might sell your car if you can find someone who is willing to pay more than it is worth that is a different matter. In this instance you might be looking for a mug who is willing to pay more than its worth because they don't care - this doesn't make the car worth any more. If they had to sell it the next day what would it be "worth" then?
You're contradicting yourself there. You state that "it is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it", then give an example of someone paying more than it's "worth", but not increasing the "worth" of the car?Once again, the "worth" is a combination of what the seller is willing to part with the car for and the buyers willingness to part with their cash.
If a seller puts a price on something and no-one is willing to pay then it is worth less. But if a buyer is offering a certain price and no-one is willing to sell then it is worth more
Ribol said:
I am on this forum because like you I can be, my post count would suggest I am no stranger to the place and know what it is about but thanks for your insight anyway.
You're only on here because you can be? Really?Not to learn something new, gather facts or information? You're post count is "worth" nothing if you're posts are made up of useless opinions that are not based on fact or knowledge. You might as well get a twitter account.
Ribol said:
If opinions are that easy to sway they wouldn't be much of an opinion would they? The "Sag pricing situation" isn't anything new, it has happened before with many cars, so my opinion is based on that and isn't going to change. I wouldn't pay almost double (£100k) of what a car is really worth (£50>60k) to get one and anyone who does is, well you pick a word that sits better in print in PC 2014, mine hasn't changed.
Why do you think that opinions are set in stone? Cold hard facts are set in stone, because they are facts. Do you think changing your opinion makes it any less valid or makes you any less of a man?You say that your opinion is based on the "pricing situation (not being) anything new, it has happened before with many cars". But you don't allow WolfyJones to use his experience and facts on other cars because you're "not interested in what people spend on other cars as that isn't relevant here."
Yet your opinion, which is based on what "has happened before with many cars", is relevant here?
The Fact that the last Sag built (2010) has recently sold for near enough £70K and the Fact that Racing Green had to remove their unfinished Sag from advertising due to the amount of interest and offers it received, despite increasing the price to £100k, suggests that alot of people disagree with you.
That particular, unfinished car would appear to be "worth" the £100k. Given that the others are very unlikely to depreciate, it would be safe to assume that this one will not either.
Feel free to keep insulting those interested parties for their "pick a word that sits better in print in PC 2014" opinion. We'll feel free to ignore your "worthless" opinion
phoenixz said:
Feel free to keep insulting those interested parties for their "pick a word that sits better in print in PC 2014" opinion. We'll feel free to ignore your "worthless" opinion
You don't seriously think you speak for the forum do you, sorry to burst you bubble chap but you speak only for yourself. I will leave you with the rest of your thoughts as they are really not worth replying to and this has already drifted well off topic.Meanwhile, where is Gordon when you need him, for some sensible input
TVRinBFG said:
Hi Gordon - I'm inclined to agree with WolfyJones that "you are losing out on owning a Sag for the sake of £1500". Isn't that cutting your nose off to spite your face?
From a dealer's point of view, the £1500 is coming off the profit, NOT the price of the car. IE say the car is £50k less £1500, that's only 3%; but if the £1500 is off the dealers margin of say £3000, that's 50%.
And then when the dealer sells the Sagaris, where is he going to easily find another? So he might as well hang on for the asking price.
I must agree with you James, the ones I looked at were not top notch cars, I felt they all needed around £1500-£2000 grand spend on them hence my offer,sFrom a dealer's point of view, the £1500 is coming off the profit, NOT the price of the car. IE say the car is £50k less £1500, that's only 3%; but if the £1500 is off the dealers margin of say £3000, that's 50%.
And then when the dealer sells the Sagaris, where is he going to easily find another? So he might as well hang on for the asking price.
SAGTAFF said:
Whilst it is difficult to believe why the seller will not budge at all on the asking price, it is also difficult to believe that the OP'er won't go up by just £1.5k-£2k to get what you want - surely you don't really want a Sagaris badly enough? If its a money issue then suggest you cannot afford to run one if you are struggling to find a spare £1.5 to £2k.
If its out of principle then - despite people trying to talk the prices down - they will continue to rise: probably not enough to give a decent return if you are looking for an investment but decent enough to not worry about £1.5k to £2k over a long term period.
I think that's a bit harsh saying I cannot afford to run a Sag, I have had 6 Tvrs all serviced by TVR POWER every year my cars need for nothing, please don't challenge my pockets, and I am a cash buyer so don't need finance so thought my offers were fair... If its out of principle then - despite people trying to talk the prices down - they will continue to rise: probably not enough to give a decent return if you are looking for an investment but decent enough to not worry about £1.5k to £2k over a long term period.
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