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are there yet any concept models from the new TVR owners? its bin a long time now.
here's an old one thats not bad looking, then of course with a normal big engine>
http://www.syahdiar.org/tvr-sonitus-bio-diesel-fue...
here's an old one thats not bad looking, then of course with a normal big engine>
http://www.syahdiar.org/tvr-sonitus-bio-diesel-fue...
QBee said:
I seem to be reading thoughts that are along the lines of an updated Sagaris to compete with 911s and other £70-100k cars.
Fine. I won't be buying one, but then I am probably not the target audience for one of those, being well stricken in years.
But if someone at TVR produced an updated Chimaera/Griff with an LS 1/2/3/6/9 up front, simple construction, mechanical components that won't break as soon as I drop the clutch, and a price tag even pence short of 40k, I would be selling the grandkids faster than you can say "Snetterton" without spraying the salesman with real ale.
I really think there is a market for a big engined, small sports car that simply goes....and has at least some modicum of handling.
I think there's one person peddling the idea of an updated Sagaris in this thread and it won't happen. For a number of reasons, not least it's a seriously outdated car and with the amount of work required to bring it up to modern standards you may as well start from scratch. The Winstanleys had many problems with the engine in that car and that's why the deal for the Speed 6 only lasted one year. The Speed6 isn't viable or sensible for a car in the modern day.Fine. I won't be buying one, but then I am probably not the target audience for one of those, being well stricken in years.
But if someone at TVR produced an updated Chimaera/Griff with an LS 1/2/3/6/9 up front, simple construction, mechanical components that won't break as soon as I drop the clutch, and a price tag even pence short of 40k, I would be selling the grandkids faster than you can say "Snetterton" without spraying the salesman with real ale.
I really think there is a market for a big engined, small sports car that simply goes....and has at least some modicum of handling.
Love the idea of a Griffith/Chimaera'esque car but at the money you're talking about it won't happen as there's no margin at that price point to sell a properly engineered car.
V8 GRF said:
Love the idea of a Griffith/Chimaera'esque car but at the money you're talking about it won't happen as there's no margin at that price point to sell a properly engineered car.
It will in all probability be something like that as this is what most punters were/are interested in rather than a hardcore road racer (and if they're smart they'll make a +2 GT version with as much design and parts commonality as feasible, too) but not at £40K - and why should they? Translating the Chimaera and Griffith to the 2010s it would sit somewhere smack bang in the middle between Morgan +8 and Jag F-type, so 350-400 bhp and £70-80K would be perfectly alright in today's market environment (given a ~1.1 ton kerb weight). Those who want a 400 bhp £40K bruiser or an £80K Ferrari 458-beater, keep dreaming... Not least because back when punters were paying £45-55K for a new TVR, the pound sterling was still worth something... (I bought my Chim late 2006 in the UK at an 1.6 exchange rate to the euro
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V8 GRF said:
I think there's one person peddling the idea of an updated Sagaris in this thread and it won't happen. For a number of reasons, not least it's a seriously outdated car and with the amount of work required to bring it up to modern standards you may as well start from scratch. The Winstanleys had many problems with the engine in that car and that's why the deal for the Speed 6 only lasted one year. The Speed6 isn't viable or sensible for a car in the modern day.
Love the idea of a Griffith/Chimaera'esque car but at the money you're talking about it won't happen as there's no margin at that price point to sell a properly engineered car.
What problems with engine? This wasn't a engine that cruised country roads it was a engine that was ragged racing in Gt cup,Love the idea of a Griffith/Chimaera'esque car but at the money you're talking about it won't happen as there's no margin at that price point to sell a properly engineered car.
Wasn't it just a lack of track time the team had with the engine that was problem, The Winstanleys and Power did very well considering the budget they had compared to the big teams.
V8 GRF said:
WolfyJones said:
Wasn't it just a lack of track time the team had with the engine that was problem,
Exactly and from what I understand it was the engine that caused that lack of track time.However, and I'm sure most folk will agree, it's not an engine that's suitable for being put in a modern day car that lives in the 'drive and forget' world of 10,000 miles between services.
V8 GRF said:
WolfyJones said:
Wasn't it just a lack of track time the team had with the engine that was problem,
Exactly and from what I understand it was the engine that caused that lack of track time.My understanding was the time it took to take out, strip and check and refit was the problem, something Power did as part of the development,
No problem with the engine just the check and turnaround took a age, understandable considering the budget
WolfyJones said:
And the problems with engine were?
My understanding was the time it took to take out, strip and check and refit was the problem, something Power did as part of the development,
No problem with the engine just the check and turnaround took a age, understandable considering the budget
I think the frequency of the need to do that was the problem, I wasn't told the details only that there were 'issues'.My understanding was the time it took to take out, strip and check and refit was the problem, something Power did as part of the development,
No problem with the engine just the check and turnaround took a age, understandable considering the budget
V8 GRF said:
I think the frequency of the need to do that was the problem, I wasn't told the details only that there were 'issues'.
Hopefully someone more informed will shed some light on these issues,With only a handful of 4.5 speed sixes built at the time it was only prudent of Power to do this, especially with the budget and build numbers the 4.5 had compared to the millions spent and high build numbers available to the competition (Porsche etc)
Still the long turnaround must have been very frustrating for Team Winstanley.
At the risk of being called negative, or having a pop at Dom (I'm really not), there is a thread on here that Dom talks about why their engine went bang, and what he did about it (clue, he is a man of his word).
To balance the perceived negativity, this modified S6 engine is the only one that has gone racing (well, that and Str8-Six one now).
To balance the perceived negativity, this modified S6 engine is the only one that has gone racing (well, that and Str8-Six one now).
Don1 said:
At the risk of being called negative, or having a pop at Dom (I'm really not), there is a thread on here that Dom talks about why their engine went bang, and what he did about it (clue, he is a man of his word).
To balance the perceived negativity, this modified S6 engine is the only one that has gone racing (well, that and Str8-Six one now).
Is that the failure at Spa at the end of the season, my understanding is it ran fine in the UK races with many racing miles done, To balance the perceived negativity, this modified S6 engine is the only one that has gone racing (well, that and Str8-Six one now).
And don't forget the S6 cars that finished 24 hrs at Le Mans/Spa etc.
I think I'm pleased to be wrong for once. We have our courtesy car and have driven from Perth to Leuchars to Dundee to Loch Lomond then home to central Buchan in it over the weekend, and I've taken it to work this morning.
It's a great car. I don't feel any urge to pay a deposit for one when I give it back on Saturday at the moment. It looks great, sounds great, goes great but whoever said it was TVR-like was stretching it a bit. I thought I wanted one of these to commute in. It feels slower than my wife's XF although I think it's maybe a 10th or two faster on paper. The chassis is less playful at road speeds and corner speeds are limited by visibility. The car is a bit too grippy I think. It has enough power that I can't help but notice that it's slower and less engaging than either the Cerbera or the XFR-S, yet it still has too much power to wring its neck from one corner to the next. Maybe the V6S would hit the spot and be more MX-5 like but with enough power to actually overtake something on a typical rural road with relatively short overtaking stretches.
I drove the Cerbera for a few miles yesterday but the front indicators stopped working so it had to go back. I'm pleased that I actually want the car back now, as I wasn't sure I had a place for the Cerbera any more. Clearly, I do.
It's a great car. I don't feel any urge to pay a deposit for one when I give it back on Saturday at the moment. It looks great, sounds great, goes great but whoever said it was TVR-like was stretching it a bit. I thought I wanted one of these to commute in. It feels slower than my wife's XF although I think it's maybe a 10th or two faster on paper. The chassis is less playful at road speeds and corner speeds are limited by visibility. The car is a bit too grippy I think. It has enough power that I can't help but notice that it's slower and less engaging than either the Cerbera or the XFR-S, yet it still has too much power to wring its neck from one corner to the next. Maybe the V6S would hit the spot and be more MX-5 like but with enough power to actually overtake something on a typical rural road with relatively short overtaking stretches.
I drove the Cerbera for a few miles yesterday but the front indicators stopped working so it had to go back. I'm pleased that I actually want the car back now, as I wasn't sure I had a place for the Cerbera any more. Clearly, I do.
It is interesting. I am a Jaguar fan as well as TVR. I grew up in Jaguars and with a father and his friends who all raced them in the 60's. I've had a few and driven most.
I recall when I bought the XKR I had the Griff at that time and the two were kept together.
What I appreciated quite quickly was that there was almost no overlap between the two in terms of usage. At the time this surprised me. I e driven the F Type and it's the same. Even though they have Barry'd the exhaust and stiffened it up it still doesn't cross over much into TVR territory. It's a big car which does most things for you and against its peers it is an amazing bit of kit but it has absolutely non of the character or experience of a TVR product. And few other cars do.
I recall when I bought the XKR I had the Griff at that time and the two were kept together.
What I appreciated quite quickly was that there was almost no overlap between the two in terms of usage. At the time this surprised me. I e driven the F Type and it's the same. Even though they have Barry'd the exhaust and stiffened it up it still doesn't cross over much into TVR territory. It's a big car which does most things for you and against its peers it is an amazing bit of kit but it has absolutely non of the character or experience of a TVR product. And few other cars do.
I was following an F type for 100 miles on a TVR run through the Peak District on Saturday. It sounded awesome when it revved to overtake, but from my low-down vantage point it looked absolutely enormous, and sooooo wide.
It did attract a fair amount of attention when we were all parked up in Buxton over lunchtime, but I didn't feel the urge to sell the grand-children and buy one. And the brighter TVRs attracted more attention. Mine did too (navy Chimaera) later on at lunchtime - once I had re-parked my border collie on the passenger seat.
It did attract a fair amount of attention when we were all parked up in Buxton over lunchtime, but I didn't feel the urge to sell the grand-children and buy one. And the brighter TVRs attracted more attention. Mine did too (navy Chimaera) later on at lunchtime - once I had re-parked my border collie on the passenger seat.
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