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PuffsBack said:
Sorry its not doing it for me. Good though the car may be it has zero to do with anything of TVR's history. Would be better of they stick EGR (Edgar) on the front rather than TVR
So what car do you drive? I guess not a Jaguar as they are now owned by India, I guess not a Vauxhall as they are American, I guess not a Bentley as they are German - same for Rolls Royce. Ahh, maybe a Lotus - oh, hang on a minute they are owned by Proton. It must be an MG, oh no - they are Chinese.For Christ sake, the old TVR was never going to survive - times change, the industry certainly has. Get over it. Les Edgar is putting his money where is mouth, keeping as much of the old TVR spirit as possible including being British. I for one am chuffed to bits at this news - it seems the most plausible way of keeping TVR alive we've heard for 15 years. I think Cosworth are a perfect match as both TVR and Cosworth are in the same boat as-in they need to rebuild their market status.
It seems to me that Les Edgar is going about things in the right calculated manner. Best of luck although it seems to me Les Edgar has much more about him than having to rely on luck.
Do I see myself trading my Sagaris in for a new TVR? Well, lots of ifs and buts but if they ever produce a modern day Typhon then quite possibly yes.
Can't wait to see what Les Edgar and his team serve up!
PuffsBack said:
Sorry its not doing it for me. Good though the car may be it has zero to do with anything of TVR's history. Would be better of they stick EGR (Edgar) on the front rather than TVR
I don't agree with that comment ! , following the dna of tvr is history ! And they are doing it right What else do you expect a factory in Blackpool ? Out with the old in with the new all things must move on
Edited by Hoofa on Wednesday 3rd June 23:28
Cerberaherts said:
For me, it isn't, nor will it be, TVR. TVR died with the factory closure.
Sorry old chap but can't agree. Lets take another brand as an example. How about Aston Martin? I wonder how many said, at the end of the David Brown era, exactly what you have? Or after Victor Gauntlet took over? Or Ford? I'm sure there were many AM owners who thought the marque was finished when the Americans took control. But look what happened, they produced a car (the DB7), which sold in more numbers than all the previous models combined and effectively saved the company.They followed that up with the DB9, the V8 Vantage and all the variants in between to become a big name player again loved by millions.
They have shown it can be done and have at the same time kept the spirit of the name well and truly alive.
So, why can't TVR?
N7GTX said:
Sorry old chap but can't agree. Lets take another brand as an example. How about Aston Martin? I wonder how many said, at the end of the David Brown era, exactly what you have? Or after Victor Gauntlet took over? Or Ford? I'm sure there were many AM owners who thought the marque was finished when the Americans took control. But look what happened, they produced a car (the DB7), which sold in more numbers than all the previous models combined and effectively saved the company.
They followed that up with the DB9, the V8 Vantage and all the variants in between to become a big name player again loved by millions.
They have shown it can be done and have at the same time kept the spirit of the name well and truly alive.
So, why can't TVR?
That's not the same thing at all though. Aston closed a couple of times throughout it's turbulent past, but it was never stripped down to absolutely nothing and left for dead. TVR is dead. They may as well put an Austin badge on it, it's just as relevant. As I said, I wish then well and I hope against all the odds they manage to sell some cars within an already saturated market place.They followed that up with the DB9, the V8 Vantage and all the variants in between to become a big name player again loved by millions.
They have shown it can be done and have at the same time kept the spirit of the name well and truly alive.
So, why can't TVR?
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Why do they need Cosworth? For the brandname? Gosh do these specs look the dogs.
Why do they need Cosworth? For the brandname? Gosh do these specs look the dogs.
Cerberaherts said:
N7GTX said:
Sorry old chap but can't agree. Lets take another brand as an example. How about Aston Martin? I wonder how many said, at the end of the David Brown era, exactly what you have? Or after Victor Gauntlet took over? Or Ford? I'm sure there were many AM owners who thought the marque was finished when the Americans took control. But look what happened, they produced a car (the DB7), which sold in more numbers than all the previous models combined and effectively saved the company.
They followed that up with the DB9, the V8 Vantage and all the variants in between to become a big name player again loved by millions.
They have shown it can be done and have at the same time kept the spirit of the name well and truly alive.
So, why can't TVR?
That's not the same thing at all though. Aston closed a couple of times throughout it's turbulent past, but it was never stripped down to absolutely nothing and left for dead. TVR is dead. They may as well put an Austin badge on it, it's just as relevant. As I said, I wish then well and I hope against all the odds they manage to sell some cars within an already saturated market place.They followed that up with the DB9, the V8 Vantage and all the variants in between to become a big name player again loved by millions.
They have shown it can be done and have at the same time kept the spirit of the name well and truly alive.
So, why can't TVR?
TVR relaunch will do brilliantly for the club, current owners, if successful and they create a reliable, niche car, then it'll maybe lay the ghost to rest that all tvr's are unreliable (I don't mind they like to kill you idea).
Hoofa said:
PuffsBack said:
Sorry its not doing it for me. Good though the car may be it has zero to do with anything of TVR's history. Would be better of they stick EGR (Edgar) on the front rather than TVR
I don't agree with that comment ! , following the dna of tvr is history ! And they are doing it right What else do you expect a factory in Blackpool ? Out with the old in with the new all things must move on
Edited by Hoofa on Wednesday 3rd June 23:28
We all have and are entitled to, our own thoughts on this and no ones are wrong.
I hope they do well and can inject some life int he British car industry but a TVR they are not regardless of the name they choose to use - all IMHO of course.
Byker28i said:
I think you're missing something
TVR relaunch will do brilliantly for the club, current owners, if successful and they create a reliable, niche car, then it'll maybe lay the ghost to rest that all tvr's are unreliable (I don't mind they like to kill you idea).
For me personally, the single most important element of the TVR brand is that it is classless and without the dividing stigmas of almost all other brands. TVR relaunch will do brilliantly for the club, current owners, if successful and they create a reliable, niche car, then it'll maybe lay the ghost to rest that all tvr's are unreliable (I don't mind they like to kill you idea).
There are £100k+ TVRs and <£5k ones. There are owners who are very wealthy and those who almost go without food so as to keep their TVR in the road. Owners are from all walks of life, all backgrounds. We are a complete mix.
When we park up at meets we don't naturally segregate our cars by model or value, we dump them all in together. When there are single model meets all others are welcome to join in.
There simply are not very many 'clubs' in this multi faceted, socially and economically divided country that can ever claim to be like this.
We get no animosity from others because our cars do not project any kind of superior image.
I recall a RROC meeting where the members proposed to not allow owners of the new Rolls to join. We all remember Aston owners claiming that the DB7 wasn't an Aston and their owners shouldn't be in the club. We've all seen how many Porsche owners segregate and elevate themselves above others based on their car ownership.
I truly despise this type of vulgar behaviour. It saddens me when sub groups form through beliefs of superiority and within TVR these factions have always been short lived with either owners moving on to brands that fulfil their needs more or the weight of the majority simply bringing people back down to earth.
These new TVRs are going to be as English as any previous Tiv, they will be a huge addition to our dwindling ranks and they will be a new step forward in this very special marque, like the Wedge was, the Griff was and the T cars.
It's not like other brand revivals where the parts are made abroad and merely assembled here or built overseas. They will have V8s fettled by one of the truly great British engineering firms. They will be built using a system designed by a great Brit. They will be built in Britain. They will catagorically be TVRs. A pile of bricks does not define TVR. Never has and never will. The pile of bricks within which these cars and all others were and will be built is utterly irrelevant. As is the accent of the people working within it. It is frankly farcical to define such iconic cars by the brick that was near them when they were first roughly assembled and sent to the owner who then rebuilt them properly next to some other bricks.
It would depress me immensely if these new cars and owners were not welcomed with open arms by the whole of the TVR fraternity just as we all welcome each other.
If I wanted to be part of a club that had these petty stigmas then there are a hundred other brands I could buy into where social standing is considered more crucial than the actual product experience.
Having said that, if the car is ugly or gay looking then they can all FRO.
DonkeyApple said:
For me personally, the single most important element of the TVR brand is that it is classless and without the dividing stigmas of almost all other brands.
There are £100k+ TVRs and <£5k ones. There are owners who are very wealthy and those who almost go without food so as to keep their TVR in the road. Owners are from all walks of life, all backgrounds. We are a complete mix.
When we park up at meets we don't naturally segregate our cars by model or value, we dump them all in together. When there are single model meets all others are welcome to join in.
There simply are not very many 'clubs' in this multi faceted, socially and economically divided country that can ever claim to be like this.
We get no animosity from others because our cars do not project any kind of superior image.
I recall a RROC meeting where the members proposed to not allow owners of the new Rolls to join. We all remember Aston owners claiming that the DB7 wasn't an Aston and their owners shouldn't be in the club. We've all seen how many Porsche owners segregate and elevate themselves above others based on their car ownership.
I truly despise this type of vulgar behaviour. It saddens me when sub groups form through beliefs of superiority and within TVR these factions have always been short lived with either owners moving on to brands that fulfil their needs more or the weight of the majority simply bringing people back down to earth.
These new TVRs are going to be as English as any previous Tiv, they will be a huge addition to our dwindling ranks and they will be a new step forward in this very special marque, like the Wedge was, the Griff was and the T cars.
It's not like other brand revivals where the parts are made abroad and merely assembled here or built overseas. They will have V8s fettled by one of the truly great British engineering firms. They will be built using a system designed by a great Brit. They will be built in Britain. They will catagorically be TVRs. A pile of bricks does not define TVR. Never has and never will. The pile of bricks within which these cars and all others were and will be built is utterly irrelevant. As is the accent of the people working within it. It is frankly farcical to define such iconic cars by the brick that was near them when they were first roughly assembled and sent to the owner who then rebuilt them properly next to some other bricks.
It would depress me immensely if these new cars and owners were not welcomed with open arms by the whole of the TVR fraternity just as we all welcome each other.
If I wanted to be part of a club that had these petty stigmas then there are a hundred other brands I could buy into where social standing is considered more crucial than the actual product experience.
Having said that, if the car is ugly or gay looking then they can all FRO.
Brilliantly said, There are £100k+ TVRs and <£5k ones. There are owners who are very wealthy and those who almost go without food so as to keep their TVR in the road. Owners are from all walks of life, all backgrounds. We are a complete mix.
When we park up at meets we don't naturally segregate our cars by model or value, we dump them all in together. When there are single model meets all others are welcome to join in.
There simply are not very many 'clubs' in this multi faceted, socially and economically divided country that can ever claim to be like this.
We get no animosity from others because our cars do not project any kind of superior image.
I recall a RROC meeting where the members proposed to not allow owners of the new Rolls to join. We all remember Aston owners claiming that the DB7 wasn't an Aston and their owners shouldn't be in the club. We've all seen how many Porsche owners segregate and elevate themselves above others based on their car ownership.
I truly despise this type of vulgar behaviour. It saddens me when sub groups form through beliefs of superiority and within TVR these factions have always been short lived with either owners moving on to brands that fulfil their needs more or the weight of the majority simply bringing people back down to earth.
These new TVRs are going to be as English as any previous Tiv, they will be a huge addition to our dwindling ranks and they will be a new step forward in this very special marque, like the Wedge was, the Griff was and the T cars.
It's not like other brand revivals where the parts are made abroad and merely assembled here or built overseas. They will have V8s fettled by one of the truly great British engineering firms. They will be built using a system designed by a great Brit. They will be built in Britain. They will catagorically be TVRs. A pile of bricks does not define TVR. Never has and never will. The pile of bricks within which these cars and all others were and will be built is utterly irrelevant. As is the accent of the people working within it. It is frankly farcical to define such iconic cars by the brick that was near them when they were first roughly assembled and sent to the owner who then rebuilt them properly next to some other bricks.
It would depress me immensely if these new cars and owners were not welcomed with open arms by the whole of the TVR fraternity just as we all welcome each other.
If I wanted to be part of a club that had these petty stigmas then there are a hundred other brands I could buy into where social standing is considered more crucial than the actual product experience.
Having said that, if the car is ugly or gay looking then they can all FRO.
just one question - did you have 'God save our gracious queen' playing and a union jack flying in the background when typing?!?!? 
hi guys.... i know everyone has their plus's and minus's for the new TVR brand being released but as far as I see it for all the TVR owners its nothing but good. the prices of all TVR's are on the climb some better than others...but that's a fact. With what Edgar is doing is giving the world press something to talk about and give us TVR's owners some free publicity into our cars which will only increase their values....
As far as the TVR brand goes....I think Edgar is doing a great job under the circumstances how TVR ended up back in 2006. I would certainly put myself on the list for one of his cars. To compare is pretty hard with new technology and safety requirements and the new one will also comply with Europe so that makes it even more desirable for the europeans who have been struggling with insurance and registration of the old TVR's
I have 3 TVR's already so another one will fit in the garage... all i will say to this thread there is no need to give bad publicity when we all don't know what will happen. It won't help the future of TVR
As far as the TVR brand goes....I think Edgar is doing a great job under the circumstances how TVR ended up back in 2006. I would certainly put myself on the list for one of his cars. To compare is pretty hard with new technology and safety requirements and the new one will also comply with Europe so that makes it even more desirable for the europeans who have been struggling with insurance and registration of the old TVR's
I have 3 TVR's already so another one will fit in the garage... all i will say to this thread there is no need to give bad publicity when we all don't know what will happen. It won't help the future of TVR
GTRene said:
well said DonkeyApple.
What he said 
All we need now is a design that instantly recognisable as a tvr with all the flamboyance and drama we come to expect from the brand, especially the interior which so many competitors seem to forget...if they can nail this last piece of the puzzle...I have less than two yrs to built a double garage
Agree with Mr Apple and the above ^^^. TVR's were always one of the most exciting shapes on the road outside and inside. They always have been styled with the same flair you see with show cars but then they put the show car on the road without taming t down at all. With modern regs they may have to wind this in a little but providing they have a beautiful body and a lush interior they will be fine.
While I'm rambling, I understand the TVR died argument to some extent, but for me this is countered by the obvious passion for the brand exhibited by Edgar and his backers and their determination to bring the marque back to life. Lets not forget when Peter Wheeler took the company over it was on its last legs as well. Wheeler took the brand back to its roots with the S and then developed it into something wonderful. Fingers crossed!
While I'm rambling, I understand the TVR died argument to some extent, but for me this is countered by the obvious passion for the brand exhibited by Edgar and his backers and their determination to bring the marque back to life. Lets not forget when Peter Wheeler took the company over it was on its last legs as well. Wheeler took the brand back to its roots with the S and then developed it into something wonderful. Fingers crossed!
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