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SAGTAFF said:
So what car do you drive? I guess not a Jaguar as they are now owned by India, I guess not a Vauxhall as they are American, I guess not a Bentley as they are German - same for Rolls Royce. Ahh, maybe a Lotus - oh, hang on a minute they are owned by Proton. It must be an MG, oh no - they are Chinese.
For Christ sake, the old TVR was never going to survive - times change, the industry certainly has. Get over it. Les Edgar is putting his money where is mouth, keeping as much of the old TVR spirit as possible including being British. I for one am chuffed to bits at this news - it seems the most plausible way of keeping TVR alive we've heard for 15 years. I think Cosworth are a perfect match as both TVR and Cosworth are in the same boat as-in they need to rebuild their market status.
It seems to me that Les Edgar is going about things in the right calculated manner. Best of luck although it seems to me Les Edgar has much more about him than having to rely on luck.
Do I see myself trading my Sagaris in for a new TVR? Well, lots of ifs and buts but if they ever produce a modern day Typhon then quite possibly yes.
Can't wait to see what Les Edgar and his team serve up!
So well putFor Christ sake, the old TVR was never going to survive - times change, the industry certainly has. Get over it. Les Edgar is putting his money where is mouth, keeping as much of the old TVR spirit as possible including being British. I for one am chuffed to bits at this news - it seems the most plausible way of keeping TVR alive we've heard for 15 years. I think Cosworth are a perfect match as both TVR and Cosworth are in the same boat as-in they need to rebuild their market status.
It seems to me that Les Edgar is going about things in the right calculated manner. Best of luck although it seems to me Les Edgar has much more about him than having to rely on luck.
Do I see myself trading my Sagaris in for a new TVR? Well, lots of ifs and buts but if they ever produce a modern day Typhon then quite possibly yes.
Can't wait to see what Les Edgar and his team serve up!
V8 GRF said:
900T-R said:
DonkeyApple said:
Stuff
Well said, Sir 
As said above it reminded me of the overblown patriotism served up by Mr Clarkson on the white cliffs of Dover when they celebrated the 50th birthday of the E-Type...... Bloody Marvellous.
(Series 17 Episode 1)
..and very well said DA
OldandGrumpy said:
While I'm rambling, I understand the TVR died argument to some extent, but for me this is countered by the obvious passion for the brand exhibited by Edgar and his backers and their determination to bring the marque back to life. Lets not forget when Peter Wheeler took the company over it was on its last legs as well. Wheeler took the brand back to its roots with the S and then developed it into something wonderful. Fingers crossed!
The company was all but dead when Arthur & Martin Lilley took it on, turned it around and saved itTheres plenty of times the company has died, its the passion of the new people that want to see it succeed that saves it and moves it forward, each time its the same company with a slight different twist (bit like Dr Who regenerating).
I beleive the new team have the passion to succeed, they also seem to have some money behind them and a business plan. cant wait to see the new cars on the road, its been along wait !!
Just needed quoting again. This is pretty much exactly what got and kept me into TVR's. Donkey Apple you are very incisive...
DonkeyApple said:
For me personally, the single most important element of the TVR brand is that it is classless and without the dividing stigmas of almost all other brands.
There are £100k+ TVRs and <£5k ones. There are owners who are very wealthy and those who almost go without food so as to keep their TVR in the road. Owners are from all walks of life, all backgrounds. We are a complete mix.
When we park up at meets we don't naturally segregate our cars by model or value, we dump them all in together. When there are single model meets all others are welcome to join in.
There simply are not very many 'clubs' in this multi faceted, socially and economically divided country that can ever claim to be like this.
We get no animosity from others because our cars do not project any kind of superior image.
I recall a RROC meeting where the members proposed to not allow owners of the new Rolls to join. We all remember Aston owners claiming that the DB7 wasn't an Aston and their owners shouldn't be in the club. We've all seen how many Porsche owners segregate and elevate themselves above others based on their car ownership.
I truly despise this type of vulgar behaviour. It saddens me when sub groups form through beliefs of superiority and within TVR these factions have always been short lived with either owners moving on to brands that fulfil their needs more or the weight of the majority simply bringing people back down to earth.
These new TVRs are going to be as English as any previous Tiv, they will be a huge addition to our dwindling ranks and they will be a new step forward in this very special marque, like the Wedge was, the Griff was and the T cars.
It's not like other brand revivals where the parts are made abroad and merely assembled here or built overseas. They will have V8s fettled by one of the truly great British engineering firms. They will be built using a system designed by a great Brit. They will be built in Britain. They will catagorically be TVRs. A pile of bricks does not define TVR. Never has and never will. The pile of bricks within which these cars and all others were and will be built is utterly irrelevant. As is the accent of the people working within it. It is frankly farcical to define such iconic cars by the brick that was near them when they were first roughly assembled and sent to the owner who then rebuilt them properly next to some other bricks.
It would depress me immensely if these new cars and owners were not welcomed with open arms by the whole of the TVR fraternity just as we all welcome each other.
If I wanted to be part of a club that had these petty stigmas then there are a hundred other brands I could buy into where social standing is considered more crucial than the actual product experience.
Having said that, if the car is ugly or gay looking then they can all FRO.
There are £100k+ TVRs and <£5k ones. There are owners who are very wealthy and those who almost go without food so as to keep their TVR in the road. Owners are from all walks of life, all backgrounds. We are a complete mix.
When we park up at meets we don't naturally segregate our cars by model or value, we dump them all in together. When there are single model meets all others are welcome to join in.
There simply are not very many 'clubs' in this multi faceted, socially and economically divided country that can ever claim to be like this.
We get no animosity from others because our cars do not project any kind of superior image.
I recall a RROC meeting where the members proposed to not allow owners of the new Rolls to join. We all remember Aston owners claiming that the DB7 wasn't an Aston and their owners shouldn't be in the club. We've all seen how many Porsche owners segregate and elevate themselves above others based on their car ownership.
I truly despise this type of vulgar behaviour. It saddens me when sub groups form through beliefs of superiority and within TVR these factions have always been short lived with either owners moving on to brands that fulfil their needs more or the weight of the majority simply bringing people back down to earth.
These new TVRs are going to be as English as any previous Tiv, they will be a huge addition to our dwindling ranks and they will be a new step forward in this very special marque, like the Wedge was, the Griff was and the T cars.
It's not like other brand revivals where the parts are made abroad and merely assembled here or built overseas. They will have V8s fettled by one of the truly great British engineering firms. They will be built using a system designed by a great Brit. They will be built in Britain. They will catagorically be TVRs. A pile of bricks does not define TVR. Never has and never will. The pile of bricks within which these cars and all others were and will be built is utterly irrelevant. As is the accent of the people working within it. It is frankly farcical to define such iconic cars by the brick that was near them when they were first roughly assembled and sent to the owner who then rebuilt them properly next to some other bricks.
It would depress me immensely if these new cars and owners were not welcomed with open arms by the whole of the TVR fraternity just as we all welcome each other.
If I wanted to be part of a club that had these petty stigmas then there are a hundred other brands I could buy into where social standing is considered more crucial than the actual product experience.
Having said that, if the car is ugly or gay looking then they can all FRO.
Byker28i said:
I think you're missing something
TVR relaunch will do brilliantly for the club, current owners, if successful and they create a reliable, niche car, then it'll maybe lay the ghost to rest that all tvr's are unreliable (I don't mind they like to kill you idea).
Totally agree with all you have said, so many doom mongers on here, I think a lot of people are worried that there TVR will plummet in price IF the new car is all its meant to be........TVR relaunch will do brilliantly for the club, current owners, if successful and they create a reliable, niche car, then it'll maybe lay the ghost to rest that all tvr's are unreliable (I don't mind they like to kill you idea).
TOV!E said:
Totally agree with all you have said, so many doom mongers on here, I think a lot of people are worried that there TVR will plummet in price IF the new car is all its meant to be........
To be fair, I've only spotted one or two who are negative. I think most of us are over the moon and now debating the finer details of some Journo guff. 
SAGTAFF said:
So what car do you drive? I guess not a Jaguar as they are now owned by India, I guess not a Vauxhall as they are American, I guess not a Bentley as they are German - same for Rolls Royce. Ahh, maybe a Lotus - oh, hang on a minute they are owned by Proton. It must be an MG, oh no - they are Chinese.
For Christ sake, the old TVR was never going to survive - times change, the industry certainly has. Get over it. Les Edgar is putting his money where is mouth, keeping as much of the old TVR spirit as possible including being British. I for one am chuffed to bits at this news - it seems the most plausible way of keeping TVR alive we've heard for 15 years. I think Cosworth are a perfect match as both TVR and Cosworth are in the same boat as-in they need to rebuild their market status.
It seems to me that Les Edgar is going about things in the right calculated manner. Best of luck although it seems to me Les Edgar has much more about him than having to rely on luck.
Do I see myself trading my Sagaris in for a new TVR? Well, lots of ifs and buts but if they ever produce a modern day Typhon then quite possibly yes.
Can't wait to see what Les Edgar and his team serve up!
Err...same as you, a Sagaris (oh and a Cerbera). I am over it, obviously times move on and it couldn't survive the way it was, but I am quite happy for the TVR name to die. I just wish everyone would accept that and let it die in peace. Its just my opinion, nothing more For Christ sake, the old TVR was never going to survive - times change, the industry certainly has. Get over it. Les Edgar is putting his money where is mouth, keeping as much of the old TVR spirit as possible including being British. I for one am chuffed to bits at this news - it seems the most plausible way of keeping TVR alive we've heard for 15 years. I think Cosworth are a perfect match as both TVR and Cosworth are in the same boat as-in they need to rebuild their market status.
It seems to me that Les Edgar is going about things in the right calculated manner. Best of luck although it seems to me Les Edgar has much more about him than having to rely on luck.
Do I see myself trading my Sagaris in for a new TVR? Well, lots of ifs and buts but if they ever produce a modern day Typhon then quite possibly yes.
Can't wait to see what Les Edgar and his team serve up!
I was at Kerridges today talking with Stephen Kerridge who says he also thinks Edgar will make a good go of it (apparently they met at the Suffolk Show last week) Don't think we was too fond of my opinion either!
Edited by PuffsBack on Thursday 4th June 21:32
PuffsBack said:
Err...same as you, a Sagaris (oh and a Cerbera). I am over it, obviously times move on and it couldn't survive the way it was, but I am quite happy for the TVR name to die. I just wish everyone would accept that and let it die in peace. Its just my opinion, nothing more
I was at Kerridges today talking with Stephen Kerridge who says he also thinks Edgar will make a good go of it (apparently they met at the Suffolk Show last week) Don't think we was too fond of my opinion either!
Well everyone is entitled to their opinion I suppose but I simply cannot understand why you would want to see the brand die - surely as a TVR fanatic you want to see the brand thrive even if it is in an evolved state? Nobody liked seeing Moleskin create so many false dawns and had he kept hold of the brand name then yes, it would have been better to see the brand die in peace but this seems very different and an opportunity for the brand to be succesful. I was at Kerridges today talking with Stephen Kerridge who says he also thinks Edgar will make a good go of it (apparently they met at the Suffolk Show last week) Don't think we was too fond of my opinion either!
Edited by PuffsBack on Thursday 4th June 21:32
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