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Yep - I am a fanatic, had a Chim, Griff 500 and now a Cerb and Sag.
I dunno, it just doesn't work for me. There is so little link with the past and the future it seems like its just sticking the 3 letters on the front of something that has no possible link with the past.
I understand what people are saying about Lilley and Wheeler saving the company but this it totally different. Owners, factory, designers, builders, engine, construction - everything has no link to the past.
Lotus have done a perfect TVR with the Evora 400 (OK the engine is in the wrong place!
). Light, very fast, gorgeous, noisy (with the right exhaust), brilliant to drive, built in the UK. How would everyone feel if Edgar bought Lotus and changed the name on the front? Because that's essentially what's going on - a product that has zero link to the past other than the ethos.
As I say just mine,and a few others it seems, opinion (and seems we are the minority). I am not looking to preach to others and convert them.
I dunno, it just doesn't work for me. There is so little link with the past and the future it seems like its just sticking the 3 letters on the front of something that has no possible link with the past.
I understand what people are saying about Lilley and Wheeler saving the company but this it totally different. Owners, factory, designers, builders, engine, construction - everything has no link to the past.
Lotus have done a perfect TVR with the Evora 400 (OK the engine is in the wrong place!
). Light, very fast, gorgeous, noisy (with the right exhaust), brilliant to drive, built in the UK. How would everyone feel if Edgar bought Lotus and changed the name on the front? Because that's essentially what's going on - a product that has zero link to the past other than the ethos.As I say just mine,and a few others it seems, opinion (and seems we are the minority). I am not looking to preach to others and convert them.
PuffsBack said:
Yep - I am a fanatic, had a Chim, Griff 500 and now a Cerb and Sag.
I dunno, it just doesn't work for me. There is so little link with the past and the future it seems like its just sticking the 3 letters on the front of something that has no possible link with the past.
I understand what people are saying about Lilley and Wheeler saving the company but this it totally different. Owners, factory, designers, builders, engine, construction - everything has no link to the past.
Lotus have done a perfect TVR with the Evora 400 (OK the engine is in the wrong place! ). Light, very fast, gorgeous, noisy (with the right exhaust), brilliant to drive, built in the UK. How would everyone feel if Edgar bought Lotus and changed the name on the front? Because that's essentially what's going on - a product that has zero link to the past other than the ethos.
As I say just mine,and a few others it seems, opinion (and seems we are the minority). I am not looking to preach to others and convert them.
To me that is a perfectly valid viewpoint. I dunno, it just doesn't work for me. There is so little link with the past and the future it seems like its just sticking the 3 letters on the front of something that has no possible link with the past.
I understand what people are saying about Lilley and Wheeler saving the company but this it totally different. Owners, factory, designers, builders, engine, construction - everything has no link to the past.
Lotus have done a perfect TVR with the Evora 400 (OK the engine is in the wrong place!
). Light, very fast, gorgeous, noisy (with the right exhaust), brilliant to drive, built in the UK. How would everyone feel if Edgar bought Lotus and changed the name on the front? Because that's essentially what's going on - a product that has zero link to the past other than the ethos.As I say just mine,and a few others it seems, opinion (and seems we are the minority). I am not looking to preach to others and convert them.
PuffsBack said:
Yep - I am a fanatic, had a Chim, Griff 500 and now a Cerb and Sag.
I dunno, it just doesn't work for me. There is so little link with the past and the future it seems like its just sticking the 3 letters on the front of something that has no possible link with the past.
Exactly that. A different TVR for every decade I dunno, it just doesn't work for me. There is so little link with the past and the future it seems like its just sticking the 3 letters on the front of something that has no possible link with the past.
Edited by dinkel on Friday 5th June 12:21
NCE 61 said:
The negative post are usually only from people who will not be buying one, the names Cosworth and Murry are enough for me to express an interest.
Would I buy one? Don't know. If it's fantastic then maybe but it's a lot of money with a lot of risk to sink cash into an unknown.I standby my view that it's not a TVR in anything but name but that is just my opinion.
This post from Puff sums it up well for me, I owned a Chim for 5 years and have had my 350 for 7 so I do love the marque;
PuffsBack said:
Yep - I am a fanatic, had a Chim, Griff 500 and now a Cerb and Sag.
I dunno, it just doesn't work for me. There is so little link with the past and the future it seems like its just sticking the 3 letters on the front of something that has no possible link with the past.
I understand what people are saying about Lilley and Wheeler saving the company but this it totally different. Owners, factory, designers, builders, engine, construction - everything has no link to the past.
Lotus have done a perfect TVR with the Evora 400 (OK the engine is in the wrong place! ). Light, very fast, gorgeous, noisy (with the right exhaust), brilliant to drive, built in the UK. How would everyone feel if Edgar bought Lotus and changed the name on the front? Because that's essentially what's going on - a product that has zero link to the past other than the ethos.
As I say just mine,and a few others it seems, opinion (and seems we are the minority). I am not looking to preach to others and convert them.
I dunno, it just doesn't work for me. There is so little link with the past and the future it seems like its just sticking the 3 letters on the front of something that has no possible link with the past.
I understand what people are saying about Lilley and Wheeler saving the company but this it totally different. Owners, factory, designers, builders, engine, construction - everything has no link to the past.
Lotus have done a perfect TVR with the Evora 400 (OK the engine is in the wrong place!
). Light, very fast, gorgeous, noisy (with the right exhaust), brilliant to drive, built in the UK. How would everyone feel if Edgar bought Lotus and changed the name on the front? Because that's essentially what's going on - a product that has zero link to the past other than the ethos.As I say just mine,and a few others it seems, opinion (and seems we are the minority). I am not looking to preach to others and convert them.
Personally, I wish them all the luck in the world, but one TVR is enough for
me. (At the moment at least - although I keep eyeing up Vixens and Cerbs!
)
If they produce something that is really great, then I will happily look at
considering it, but they have a lot of bigger competition out there and small,
low production marques have to really stand out.
I would not be after buying something that is a Porsche or AM clone - had enough
of those already...
me. (At the moment at least - although I keep eyeing up Vixens and Cerbs!
)If they produce something that is really great, then I will happily look at
considering it, but they have a lot of bigger competition out there and small,
low production marques have to really stand out.
I would not be after buying something that is a Porsche or AM clone - had enough
of those already...
RichB said:
PuffsBack said:
Yep - I am a fanatic, had a Chim, Griff 500 and now a Cerb and Sag.
I dunno, it just doesn't work for me. There is so little link with the past and the future it seems like its just sticking the 3 letters on the front of something that has no possible link with the past.
I understand what people are saying about Lilley and Wheeler saving the company but this it totally different. Owners, factory, designers, builders, engine, construction - everything has no link to the past.
Lotus have done a perfect TVR with the Evora 400 (OK the engine is in the wrong place! ). Light, very fast, gorgeous, noisy (with the right exhaust), brilliant to drive, built in the UK. How would everyone feel if Edgar bought Lotus and changed the name on the front? Because that's essentially what's going on - a product that has zero link to the past other than the ethos.
As I say just mine,and a few others it seems, opinion (and seems we are the minority). I am not looking to preach to others and convert them.
To me that is a perfectly valid viewpoint. I dunno, it just doesn't work for me. There is so little link with the past and the future it seems like its just sticking the 3 letters on the front of something that has no possible link with the past.
I understand what people are saying about Lilley and Wheeler saving the company but this it totally different. Owners, factory, designers, builders, engine, construction - everything has no link to the past.
Lotus have done a perfect TVR with the Evora 400 (OK the engine is in the wrong place!
). Light, very fast, gorgeous, noisy (with the right exhaust), brilliant to drive, built in the UK. How would everyone feel if Edgar bought Lotus and changed the name on the front? Because that's essentially what's going on - a product that has zero link to the past other than the ethos.As I say just mine,and a few others it seems, opinion (and seems we are the minority). I am not looking to preach to others and convert them.
I guess for current TVR owners, the extent to which it feels like a TVR (rather than another car with the TVR badge on) will depend on whether we get the same emotive response we got when say a Chimaera owner opened the door of a new Tuscan in the showroom (when the buttons worked obviously!) The hand crafted look of the thing with the lovely alloy switchgear - even down to the smell - and obviously the curvy composite exteriors you rarely see on other cars. And that comes down to just how much of the TVR DNA they use.
PuffsBack said:
Lotus have done a perfect TVR with the Evora 400 (OK the engine is in the wrong place! ). Light, very fast, gorgeous, noisy (with the right exhaust), brilliant to drive, built in the UK. How would everyone feel if Edgar bought Lotus and changed the name on the front? Because that's essentially what's going on - a product that has zero link to the past other than the ethos....
I'm sorry but you and all the others who are saying TVR died in Blackpool are wrong. I think you will find that there are several ex-Blackpool TVR staff involved in this behind the scenes. I personally spoke to a few at Autocar International well over a year ago and they told me they were involved. ). Light, very fast, gorgeous, noisy (with the right exhaust), brilliant to drive, built in the UK. How would everyone feel if Edgar bought Lotus and changed the name on the front? Because that's essentially what's going on - a product that has zero link to the past other than the ethos....So no, it isn't just bunging a badge on any old car. It's a team of people - some old & some new - that are absolutely, certifiably, 100% committed to bringing an old friend back home. Just because they've moved house, have new friends and new clothes it does not mean it's not the same person you once knew. Hell, by the sounds of it they've even been working out & are fitter now than they have been in a long while! & they still have plenty of time for their old mates
Also DA - absolutely bang on. This is me...
DonkeyApple said:
and those who almost go without food so as to keep their TVR in the road.
and I am made to feel as welcome as anyone. I LOVE being a part of this community and always will. LONG LIVE TVR 
R7EBO said:
I'm sorry but you and all the others who are saying TVR died in Blackpool are wrong. I think you will find that there are several ex-Blackpool TVR staff involved in this behind the scenes. I personally spoke to a few at Autocar International well over a year ago and they told me they were involved.
So no, it isn't just bunging a badge on any old car. It's a team of people - some old & some new - that are absolutely, certifiably, 100% committed to bringing an old friend back home. Just because they've moved house, have new friends and new clothes it does not mean it's not the same person you once knew. Hell, by the sounds of it they've even been working out & are fitter now than they have been in a long while! & they still have plenty of time for their old mates
Also DA - absolutely bang on. This is me...
This ^So no, it isn't just bunging a badge on any old car. It's a team of people - some old & some new - that are absolutely, certifiably, 100% committed to bringing an old friend back home. Just because they've moved house, have new friends and new clothes it does not mean it's not the same person you once knew. Hell, by the sounds of it they've even been working out & are fitter now than they have been in a long while! & they still have plenty of time for their old mates
Also DA - absolutely bang on. This is me...
DonkeyApple said:
and those who almost go without food so as to keep their TVR in the road.
and I am made to feel as welcome as anyone. I LOVE being a part of this community and always will. LONG LIVE TVR Im as TVR madcentric as the next man on here, and i really get the Bristol Ave thing , i really do (case in point - Post factory closure we were having Tuscan Challenge car chassis built at Bristol Avenue in 2010 on original jigs ,fabricated and facilitated by TVR Motorsport people)and my "TVR" will always be there in my minds eye.
But back in the real world , it's not 2001 (insert own version of TVR halcyon days here
)but if Les and his team can build the car that we've just been promised (the sort of car that has effectively been legislated out out existence as far as the big manufacturers are concerned)then by Christ im interested , this is the first new car i've contemplated in a very long time.. the sort of car i would effectively make real world sacrifices to buy. The big challenge maybe, isnt the Me's or the Non Believer's on here ,it's the sports car buyers's of 2017 who dont know or give two f
ks about Blackpool or heritage, the Porsche / M BMW type of buyer who TVR may need to attract to make the business model work.What would be really good though , would be a New TVR that could sustain building and selling hard core sports car's to an appreciative niche' group
and not have to worry about attracting a wider audience.. 'cos let's be honest , none of us on here really want that do we ?... Edited by RetroWheels on Saturday 6th June 00:09
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