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Roy C

4,187 posts

284 months

Monday 13th April 2015
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A.G. said:
PW would have had a fag between those fingers! biggrin

PoleDriver

28,640 posts

194 months

Wednesday 6th May 2015
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Heard a (fairly reliable) rumour today that we should get some REAL news within the next month!


fatbutt

2,656 posts

264 months

Tuesday 19th May 2015
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PoleDriver said:
Heard a (fairly reliable) rumour today that we should get some REAL news within the next month!

BUMP! This is why I log into Pistonheads each day. Any news?

5.0ltr

2,762 posts

199 months

Tuesday 19th May 2015
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I heard something encouraging recently as well but can't say much else.

T4NGO

384 posts

236 months

Tuesday 19th May 2015
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After speaking to Les Edgar on Saturday, it seems a big announcement is due withing a couple of weeks...

Gazzab

21,093 posts

282 months

Tuesday 19th May 2015
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We need to start another argument regarding engines, safety electronics and price.

Here's my take:-

-> I hope the engine is a V8 and that it is NOT a yank lump. No idea if this is feasible but maybe an Audi or even the Yamaha/volvo V8.
-> I'd happily have traction and ABS and airbags (and better driver protection).
-> Suspect we're talking £70K minimum price but I wouldnt be surprised if the car is nearer £85K.
-> I assume there will be a convertible and 2 seater coupe (largely the same car)
-> Assume the chassis will be akin to a lotus style mix of ali, carbon and glue.
-> Gearbox a manual from launch but with plans for flappy paddle auto in due course.
-> Engines in basic tune at circa 400bhp with option for 500bhp.
-> Some snazzy electronics on the dash ie some form of tablet device used for speedo, revs, computer, sat nav, music combo

PoleDriver

28,640 posts

194 months

Tuesday 19th May 2015
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^^OK^^
What about setting up the business model to be like Ultima?

Car available to buy from TVR as normal or can be bought in kit form with the ability to change appearance and engines to suit the individual?

getmecoat

Jurgen Schmidt

824 posts

201 months

Tuesday 19th May 2015
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Sounds intriguing. I

mab1

390 posts

227 months

Tuesday 19th May 2015
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Or what about something entirely different? Partnership with an existing manufacturer and based on an existing model in their range, substantially modified to provide a TVR experience in looks, sound and driving. A coach-builder type approach for want of a better description.

To be honest I would not be an advocate of that, but I am struggling to see how they will bring a whole new vehicle to market cost effectively.

jpf

1,312 posts

276 months

Tuesday 19th May 2015
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Is it possible to use a 4 cylinder (say 2.3 litre eco-tec) with 300+ BHP, and price it in the realm of $40,000 dollars? Why not make the most exciting 4 cylinder sportscar in the world that people can get in and out of?

PoleDriver

28,640 posts

194 months

Tuesday 19th May 2015
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jpf said:
Is it possible to use a 4 cylinder (say 2.3 litre eco-tec) with 300+ BHP, and price it in the realm of $40,000 dollars? Why not make the most exciting 4 cylinder sportscar in the world that people can get in and out of?

N7GTX

7,870 posts

143 months

Tuesday 19th May 2015
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jpf said:
Is it possible to use a 4 cylinder (say 2.3 litre eco-tec) with 300+ BHP, and price it in the realm of $40,000 dollars? Why not make the most exciting 4 cylinder sportscar in the world that people can get in and out of?
Good idea clap


but far too reliable for us.....paperbag

Bluebottle

3,498 posts

240 months

Tuesday 19th May 2015
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PoleDriver said:
jpf said:
Is it possible to use a 4 cylinder (say 2.3 litre eco-tec) with 300+ BHP, and price it in the realm of $40,000 dollars? Why not make the most exciting 4 cylinder sportscar in the world that people can get in and out of?
lol...If the remit is low (500) production then I am sure their are sufficient potential buyers to make it work...even within the TVR fraternity...And that is based on a realistic price tag of £70-80K on the road.
I have spent that on mine in the last couple of years and I know other who have done the same as their is still NOTHING to touch it for both performance and style!

cymtriks

4,560 posts

245 months

Tuesday 19th May 2015
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jpf said:
Is it possible to use a 4 cylinder (say 2.3 litre eco-tec) with 300+ BHP, and price it in the realm of $40,000 dollars? Why not make the most exciting 4 cylinder sportscar in the world that people can get in and out of?
No it isn't
There is not enough difference in cost between the bigger engines and the eco-tec engines.

The cost of an engine depends entirely (almost) on how many are made. Not the size in cc, not the number of cylinders, not who makes it, just how many. Similarly the cost of making a car has virtually nothing to do with how big, fast or well equipped it is, it is about quantity. Quantity is why low volume cars with unique engines are expensive.

jpf

1,312 posts

276 months

Tuesday 19th May 2015
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The point I was making was the 4 cylinder Ford was the root of TVR.

TVR will have a very tough time competing against Mclaren, Ferrari, etc. Isn't it better to compete in the Alfa 4C space and be the British alternative to the 4C? Could TVR price their 4 cylinder sportscar below a basic Porsche Cayman?

People buying Ferrari/Aston/Mclaren are purchasing the name. TVR has been out of the game for a while. Either they need to be able to offer Aston performance for 60% of the price to re-build their name or, pursue a different market. The idea of using an exotic Audi/BMW motor would be a catastrophic mistake--too pricey.

Would you pay a 50% premium over a MX-5 for a 4 cylinder TVR? With a TVR interior, TVR style, yes I would.

PoleDriver

28,640 posts

194 months

Tuesday 19th May 2015
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jpf said:
The point I was making was the 4 cylinder Ford was the root of TVR.
confused

When did TVR last make a car with a 4-pot engine?

GTRene

16,566 posts

224 months

Tuesday 19th May 2015
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they should only do V6 and V8
from minimal 300+ hp to start with (V6)
V8 from minimal 400+ hp

jpf

1,312 posts

276 months

Tuesday 19th May 2015
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The last time TVR had a 4 cylinder engine was the 1970's--from what I can tell. If you are going to re-build the brand, start at a reasonable price point. I'd even sign up for 4 cylinder TVR's built out of South Africa to keep costs competitive.

Can TVR sell an 8 cylinder car at a 50% premium over a Mustang (ok, I'll even allow for a Corvette)? If so, they can pull it off. If they think they are going to compete against Ferrari, the TVR rocket will never launch.

They need to re-build the brand first.


griffdude

1,826 posts

248 months

Wednesday 20th May 2015
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GTRene said:
they should only do V6 and V8
from minimal 300+ hp to start with (V6)
V8 from minimal 400+ hp
Oh, you mean a Jag F-type.

N7GTX

7,870 posts

143 months

Wednesday 20th May 2015
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griffdude said:
GTRene said:
they should only do V6 and V8
from minimal 300+ hp to start with (V6)
V8 from minimal 400+ hp
Oh, you mean a Jag F-type.
550bhp from the supercharged V8. Sounds good to me cool