Where will the new tvr be made?
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I have little experience of bringing a new car to market but i have been involved in the design plug making mould making etc. for new sports cruisers up to 45ft the expertise does exist and is not as costly as you might expect yes it is costly but payback is usually within ten units and a large twin engine sports cruiser is every bit as complex as a car and all this expertise is indeed in norfolk lotus brooms haines oyster to name just few so they could do worse than locate in norfolk some good facilities and a very skilled workforce you have a job to not know somone who latterly worked for lotus or one of the big players.
John
John
There will be four likely criteria that control where it is built, focusses around logistics and personnel.
With regard to logistics they will locate within easy reach of a prime port from Asia, the Tunnel and their parts storage. These cars are going to be assembled in Britain but the parts are going to be manufactured overseas.
Obviously for personnel, it needs to locate where there is a good draw of 'ok' mechanical skills. To be honest there are many parts of the UK with no shortage of people so baring their cost the stronger factor is going to be where the owner lives. When you own the business it's amazing how your location is determined by your ability to commute.
I can't imGine its going to employ high labour like the old TVR so needing to locate where labour is among the cheapest isn't as crucial. New TVR will be piggy backing in 3rd world labour costs.
And finally, why not locate in the centre of the largest and wealthiest section of the UK population?
With regard to logistics they will locate within easy reach of a prime port from Asia, the Tunnel and their parts storage. These cars are going to be assembled in Britain but the parts are going to be manufactured overseas.
Obviously for personnel, it needs to locate where there is a good draw of 'ok' mechanical skills. To be honest there are many parts of the UK with no shortage of people so baring their cost the stronger factor is going to be where the owner lives. When you own the business it's amazing how your location is determined by your ability to commute.
I can't imGine its going to employ high labour like the old TVR so needing to locate where labour is among the cheapest isn't as crucial. New TVR will be piggy backing in 3rd world labour costs.
And finally, why not locate in the centre of the largest and wealthiest section of the UK population?
DonkeyApple said:
There will be four likely criteria that control where it is built, focusses around logistics and personnel.
With regard to logistics they will locate within easy reach of a prime port from Asia, the Tunnel and their parts storage. These cars are going to be assembled in Britain but the parts are going to be manufactured overseas.
Obviously for personnel, it needs to locate where there is a good draw of 'ok' mechanical skills. To be honest there are many parts of the UK with no shortage of people so baring their cost the stronger factor is going to be where the owner lives. When you own the business it's amazing how your location is determined by your ability to commute.
I can't imGine its going to employ high labour like the old TVR so needing to locate where labour is among the cheapest isn't as crucial. New TVR will be piggy backing in 3rd world labour costs.
And finally, why not locate in the centre of the largest and wealthiest section of the UK population?
Nice proposal but I think that you're off the mark there. Apart from the Sunderland plant the other car manufacturers are midlands ish from Derby to Oxford and it doesn't seem to bother them.With regard to logistics they will locate within easy reach of a prime port from Asia, the Tunnel and their parts storage. These cars are going to be assembled in Britain but the parts are going to be manufactured overseas.
Obviously for personnel, it needs to locate where there is a good draw of 'ok' mechanical skills. To be honest there are many parts of the UK with no shortage of people so baring their cost the stronger factor is going to be where the owner lives. When you own the business it's amazing how your location is determined by your ability to commute.
I can't imGine its going to employ high labour like the old TVR so needing to locate where labour is among the cheapest isn't as crucial. New TVR will be piggy backing in 3rd world labour costs.
And finally, why not locate in the centre of the largest and wealthiest section of the UK population?
To draw on engineers and technicians is easier if they don't have to move house and family so that's another pull towards the midlands for that part of the business at least.
I guess that the labour required will largely depend on the chassis and body construction - tubes and plastic or sheets and aluminium?
Your final point - cost. Put a showroom there but the land for the factory, the staff costs et al should be somewhere relatively cheap unless you're aiming at McL/RR prices
Having said all that I agree that it will most likely be near to the owner's house, as with most other enterprises.
Kitchski said:
Fareham, maybe. That's where TVR are registered!
Can't see that happening. Its way too pricey down in the south.
I work in Whiteley which is where TVR are registered and I can confirm there's no way they'll be manufacturing here, it's all just offices on a new business park....Can't see that happening. Its way too pricey down in the south.
TA14 said:
DonkeyApple said:
There will be four likely criteria that control where it is built, focusses around logistics and personnel.
With regard to logistics they will locate within easy reach of a prime port from Asia, the Tunnel and their parts storage. These cars are going to be assembled in Britain but the parts are going to be manufactured overseas.
Obviously for personnel, it needs to locate where there is a good draw of 'ok' mechanical skills. To be honest there are many parts of the UK with no shortage of people so baring their cost the stronger factor is going to be where the owner lives. When you own the business it's amazing how your location is determined by your ability to commute.
I can't imGine its going to employ high labour like the old TVR so needing to locate where labour is among the cheapest isn't as crucial. New TVR will be piggy backing in 3rd world labour costs.
And finally, why not locate in the centre of the largest and wealthiest section of the UK population?
Nice proposal but I think that you're off the mark there. Apart from the Sunderland plant the other car manufacturers are midlands ish from Derby to Oxford and it doesn't seem to bother them.With regard to logistics they will locate within easy reach of a prime port from Asia, the Tunnel and their parts storage. These cars are going to be assembled in Britain but the parts are going to be manufactured overseas.
Obviously for personnel, it needs to locate where there is a good draw of 'ok' mechanical skills. To be honest there are many parts of the UK with no shortage of people so baring their cost the stronger factor is going to be where the owner lives. When you own the business it's amazing how your location is determined by your ability to commute.
I can't imGine its going to employ high labour like the old TVR so needing to locate where labour is among the cheapest isn't as crucial. New TVR will be piggy backing in 3rd world labour costs.
And finally, why not locate in the centre of the largest and wealthiest section of the UK population?
To draw on engineers and technicians is easier if they don't have to move house and family so that's another pull towards the midlands for that part of the business at least.
I guess that the labour required will largely depend on the chassis and body construction - tubes and plastic or sheets and aluminium?
Your final point - cost. Put a showroom there but the land for the factory, the staff costs et al should be somewhere relatively cheap unless you're aiming at McL/RR prices
Having said all that I agree that it will most likely be near to the owner's house, as with most other enterprises.
However, I'll be blown away if they will be building chassis, looms and shells in the UK. They will be bringing everything in by boat from cheaper labour markets and the 'factory' will just be an assembly plant employing a handful of people.
Building a car doesn't require any mystical skills only beholden to the people of the North.
And let's not forget that Sunderland exists because of a tax incentive and the Midlands holds sway for manufacturers because of communications and the network of local parts suppliers and everything else.
If you think more along the lines of a kit car sized enterprise then you can see that it can be located wherever it is most convenient for the owner. Unless there are significant tax benefits to shifting your commute from 30 mins to several hours.
V8 GRF said:
DonkeyApple said:
Building a car doesn't require any mystical skills only beholden to the people of the North.
Underestimate the power of the Flat Cap, Whippet and Ferret, at your peril Southerner.
Darth Vader: Alert all commands. Calculate every possible destination along their last known trajectory.
Admiral Piett: Yes, my Lord. We'll find them.
Darth Vader: Don't fail me again, Admiral.
V8 GRF said:
DonkeyApple said:
Building a car doesn't require any mystical skills only beholden to the people of the North.
Underestimate the power of the Flat Cap, Whippet and Ferret, at your peril Southerner.
Besides, I think that there is more than enough evidence to support the view that while TVRs may have originally been built in the North, they were rebuilt and finished to an acceptable standard in the South
I just think that any TVR will be assembled in Britain but the parts will be built overseas as is the modern norm. And therefore no immense expertise is required, nor any huge space and as the parts business is in Surrey and the owners live in Surrey then my guess is that the small assembly operation will also be in Surrey with the parts coming up the M3 from Southampton Docks or up the M20 from the Chunnel.
fatbutt said:
Any manufacturer that is not tied to a location will start up where there is the most appropriate labour, materials and services. You don't locate where your customers are - you have dealers for that. My money would be on starting up somewhere near the racing industry.
Unless your owners are established individuals all living in close proximity and labour for assembling parts is ubiquitous. No one in the UK is more than a few yards from someone fully capable of working on a basic assembly line. There is absolutely no mystical skill beholden by a special guild of individuals only found in a select part of Britain when it comes to fitting Chinese part A to European part B.
And as its only going to need a few staff and a modest location then neither land or labour cost differentials between regions may be significant enough to outweigh the draw of simply locating your business within easy reach of your family home and other business interests and pastimes.
DonkeyApple said:
Unless your owners are established individuals all living in close proximity and labour for assembling parts is ubiquitous.
No one in the UK is more than a few yards from someone fully capable of working on a basic assembly line. There is absolutely no mystical skill beholden by a special guild of individuals only found in a select part of Britain when it comes to fitting Chinese part A to European part B.
And as its only going to need a few staff and a modest location then neither land or labour cost differentials between regions may be significant enough to outweigh the draw of simply locating your business within easy reach of your family home and other business interests and pastimes.
Assuming your key market is local, which is fundamentally a bad move for a car maker.No one in the UK is more than a few yards from someone fully capable of working on a basic assembly line. There is absolutely no mystical skill beholden by a special guild of individuals only found in a select part of Britain when it comes to fitting Chinese part A to European part B.
And as its only going to need a few staff and a modest location then neither land or labour cost differentials between regions may be significant enough to outweigh the draw of simply locating your business within easy reach of your family home and other business interests and pastimes.
Hopefully we'll all find out soon.
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