TVR Parts Network - new twist
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Dom is not a philanthropist , he saw a business opportunity and built a business around it. Good luck to him.
If the 400 quid a month is right to be part of the new TVR network then I assume Dom can afford it, or his business is in a bad state, the reason he chose to not join is bugger all to do with quality, that issue is better addressed from within the network. It's that his investment in his USP will disappear that worries him if he is merely another dealer/service point in the network with the potential reduction in income.
I think it's a real pity that he couldn't arrive at an agreement, but ffs it wasn't about 400 quid a month, it was a business choice.
Dom turns up and throws the occasional hand grenade, I wish he wouldn't as it demeans all the excellent work he has done ( to build his profitable company) to support TVR owners. If the new TVR is 80k I can't afford it and we need dealers like Dom, as have Morgan, MG, Aston, Jensen et al, but let's get real, we have a choice, exercise it. don't become part of a business PR game
Let's all just put our money were our mouths are and the outcome will be self fulfilling
Sorry I'm just going to look at my belly button fluff again
I'm so happy we all share a brand that we can be passionate about 😃👍
If the 400 quid a month is right to be part of the new TVR network then I assume Dom can afford it, or his business is in a bad state, the reason he chose to not join is bugger all to do with quality, that issue is better addressed from within the network. It's that his investment in his USP will disappear that worries him if he is merely another dealer/service point in the network with the potential reduction in income.
I think it's a real pity that he couldn't arrive at an agreement, but ffs it wasn't about 400 quid a month, it was a business choice.
Dom turns up and throws the occasional hand grenade, I wish he wouldn't as it demeans all the excellent work he has done ( to build his profitable company) to support TVR owners. If the new TVR is 80k I can't afford it and we need dealers like Dom, as have Morgan, MG, Aston, Jensen et al, but let's get real, we have a choice, exercise it. don't become part of a business PR game
Let's all just put our money were our mouths are and the outcome will be self fulfilling
Sorry I'm just going to look at my belly button fluff again
I'm so happy we all share a brand that we can be passionate about 😃👍
So based on the latest TVR news, if the collaborators of the new vehicle are true, and they do sell their predicted 1000 - 1500 units, then leaving the TVR network looks a bit foolish. For a piffling fee and getting round a table agreeing parts suppliers, you now won't be able to tap into that servicing revenue stream, or develop factory approved upgrades. If the Gordon Murray is involved, it's likely to be a decent affair with a bit of a cult following.
There are a few if's there - either way it's a gamble. I think Dom said previously he said wanted to stick with the AJP market and whilst that will never get any bigger, there will be a decent revenue stream from the "classic" market for years to come.
When I had a Chimaera back in the nineties, the supplying dealer decided to give up its TVR franchise after falling out with HQ over terms to become a Jensen dealer when they were relaunching (!!!!!!). Also remember a RR/Bentley dealer choosing the former when VW/BMW split the business just before Bentley sales went nuts.
The way things are developing I would like to think there's a sound future for both camps as long as TVR don't constrict the supply of essential proprietary parts. For me the interesting dilemma is for RG / Str8six trying to service both camps.
When I had a Chimaera back in the nineties, the supplying dealer decided to give up its TVR franchise after falling out with HQ over terms to become a Jensen dealer when they were relaunching (!!!!!!). Also remember a RR/Bentley dealer choosing the former when VW/BMW split the business just before Bentley sales went nuts.
The way things are developing I would like to think there's a sound future for both camps as long as TVR don't constrict the supply of essential proprietary parts. For me the interesting dilemma is for RG / Str8six trying to service both camps.
Edited by Speed 3 on Wednesday 3rd June 08:09
Edited by Speed 3 on Wednesday 3rd June 13:31
RG is effectively the TVR parts network. The director of the parts network is RG's MD. So RG as a dealership will handle both variants of car, I'm sure.
The more interesting question is whether you'll see STR8six take a RG FFF head, stroked crank and offer the ultimate rebuild.
And yes, the parts network in theory could constrict supply to anyone they like. What everyone's forgetting is that all these so called "Chinese" parts are the same parts that were hosted by multipart who ran the parts supply business as a managed service for TVR. All those parts were taken from multipart and delivered to TVR parts. So all those little bespoke parts like door cappings, interior parts now live at TVR parts. These were the same parts that all the existing tvr service centres dipped into.
The more interesting question is whether you'll see STR8six take a RG FFF head, stroked crank and offer the ultimate rebuild.
And yes, the parts network in theory could constrict supply to anyone they like. What everyone's forgetting is that all these so called "Chinese" parts are the same parts that were hosted by multipart who ran the parts supply business as a managed service for TVR. All those parts were taken from multipart and delivered to TVR parts. So all those little bespoke parts like door cappings, interior parts now live at TVR parts. These were the same parts that all the existing tvr service centres dipped into.
Edited by m4tti on Wednesday 3rd June 08:27
Edited by m4tti on Wednesday 3rd June 08:29
m4tti said:
The more interesting question is whether you'll see STR8six take a RG FFF head, stroked crank and offer the ultimate rebuild.
That wouldn't surprise me at all but I'm suspecting the higher volume, cheaper end "standard" 4.0 rebuild is where the open question is.Edited by m4tti on Wednesday 3rd June 08:19
m4tti said:
RG is effectively the TVR parts network. The director of the parts network is RG's MD. So RG as a dealership will handle both variants of car, I'm sure.
The more interesting question is whether you'll see STR8six take a RG FFF head, stroked crank and offer the ultimate rebuild.
And yes, the parts network in theory could constrict supply to anyone they like. What everyone's forgetting is that all these so called "Chinese" parts are the same parts that were hosted by multipart who ran the parts supply business as a managed service for TVR. All those parts were taken from multipart and delivered to TVR parts. So all those little bespoke parts like door cappings, interior parts now live at TVR parts. These were the same parts that all the existing tvr service centres dipped into.
Multipart never in the 7 yrs of trading sold Chinese parts in TVR packages... It's a shame there out of the game The more interesting question is whether you'll see STR8six take a RG FFF head, stroked crank and offer the ultimate rebuild.
And yes, the parts network in theory could constrict supply to anyone they like. What everyone's forgetting is that all these so called "Chinese" parts are the same parts that were hosted by multipart who ran the parts supply business as a managed service for TVR. All those parts were taken from multipart and delivered to TVR parts. So all those little bespoke parts like door cappings, interior parts now live at TVR parts. These were the same parts that all the existing tvr service centres dipped into.
Edited by m4tti on Wednesday 3rd June 08:27
Edited by m4tti on Wednesday 3rd June 08:29
Dom
That's good, because these are the same parts that were dropped off to TVR parts. So at least we've cleared that up.
Yes there may well be other service items sourced from other suppliers, but to label them as all being Chinese, is incorrect and un-substantiated. It doesn't do your credibility any good dropping in digs based on un-substantiated assumptions, especially in public. It's unprofessional and reflects poorly on you as an engineering proffesional. At worst it could end up with you getting a cheeky bit of legal action as we know RG has a large pool of bananas to play with.
And just to re-iterate before any of the disciples get your knickers in a knot, I've bought plenty of ££££ worth of parts from power.
Yes there may well be other service items sourced from other suppliers, but to label them as all being Chinese, is incorrect and un-substantiated. It doesn't do your credibility any good dropping in digs based on un-substantiated assumptions, especially in public. It's unprofessional and reflects poorly on you as an engineering proffesional. At worst it could end up with you getting a cheeky bit of legal action as we know RG has a large pool of bananas to play with.
And just to re-iterate before any of the disciples get your knickers in a knot, I've bought plenty of ££££ worth of parts from power.
Edited by m4tti on Wednesday 3rd June 13:57
m4tti said:
That's good, because these are the same parts that were dropped off to TVR parts. So at least we've cleared that up.
Yes there may well be other service items sourced from other suppliers, but to label them as all being Chinese, is incorrect and in-substantiated. It doesn't do your credibility any good dropping in digs based on un-substantiated assumptions, especially in public. It's unprofessional and reflects poorly on you as an engineering proffesional. At worst it could end up with you getting a cheeky bit of legal action as we know RG has a large pool of bananas to play with.
And just to re-iterate before any of the disciples get your knickers in a knot, I've bought plenty of ££££ worth of parts from power.
This is of interest to all my customers who have believed in what power has to offer, there's no naming no shaming and no controlling , dealer network agreed they're happy about my decision as they're only allowed to buy off the TVR network.. If it looks unprofessional tough! All I'm interested in is my engines are looked after with powers proven parts as we are the only company in the world offering a three and five year unlimited mileage warranty which is underwritten by Powers Performance. Yes there may well be other service items sourced from other suppliers, but to label them as all being Chinese, is incorrect and in-substantiated. It doesn't do your credibility any good dropping in digs based on un-substantiated assumptions, especially in public. It's unprofessional and reflects poorly on you as an engineering proffesional. At worst it could end up with you getting a cheeky bit of legal action as we know RG has a large pool of bananas to play with.
And just to re-iterate before any of the disciples get your knickers in a knot, I've bought plenty of ££££ worth of parts from power.
Dom
Edited by Tvr Power on Wednesday 3rd June 15:15
Edited by Tvr Power on Wednesday 3rd June 15:22
cjb44 said:
Kerridges, TVR in Needham Market in Suffolk. Kerridges were the main dealer for TVR from the outset, good people and very fair - have treated me very well, Chris and Jamie (the main men in the workshop) are top class.
Hmmm thats a reassuring as I am there tomorrow with the Sag for a quick service. Have avoided Kerridges despite them being minutes from me for the last 8 years after getting the run around on painting the nose of my Griffith.m4tti said:
So based on the latest TVR news, if the collaborators of the new vehicle are true, and they do sell their predicted 1000 - 1500 units, then leaving the TVR network looks a bit foolish. For a piffling fee and getting round a table agreeing parts suppliers, you now won't be able to tap into that servicing revenue stream, or develop factory approved upgrades. If the Gordon Murray is involved, it's likely to be a decent affair with a bit of a cult following.
I would hold off on any judgements until they are proven…All that The TVR parts network have done thus far is make the parts a little more expensive and reduced the discount available to TVR club members by about 3%
When I see a factory then I will start to believe there may be a car..
Pound to a penny they will be asking for deposits on these proposed cars next!!
My understanding is that before the new TVR Network handed over the first monthly bill to an organisation, the organisation needed to hand over all sorts of details about their business to TVR. The monthly bill was then calculated and issued to the organisation. I therefore assume that the monthly bill may vary considerably.
Perhaps the TVR Network organisations have their eye on future income from sales of the new TVRs (assuming TVR progress beyond production prototypes)?
Perhaps the TVR Network organisations have their eye on future income from sales of the new TVRs (assuming TVR progress beyond production prototypes)?
julianc said:
My understanding is that before the new TVR Network handed over the first monthly bill to an organisation, the organisation needed to hand over all sorts of details about their business to TVR. The monthly bill was then calculated and issued to the organisation. I therefore assume that the monthly bill may vary considerably.
Perhaps the TVR Network organisations have their eye on future income from sales of the new TVRs (assuming TVR progress beyond production prototypes)?
Were some (naming no names..) asked to fork out over £3k per month?Perhaps the TVR Network organisations have their eye on future income from sales of the new TVRs (assuming TVR progress beyond production prototypes)?
julianc said:
My understanding is that before the new TVR Network handed over the first monthly bill to an organisation, the organisation needed to hand over all sorts of details about their business to TVR. The monthly bill was then calculated and issued to the organisation. I therefore assume that the monthly bill may vary considerably.
Perhaps the TVR Network organisations have their eye on future income from sales of the new TVRs (assuming TVR progress beyond production prototypes)?
Also, with the merger of RG parts, clever Trevor and multiparts the Heritage business will have more supply and esoteric as well as generic parts than any lone supplier. Perhaps the TVR Network organisations have their eye on future income from sales of the new TVRs (assuming TVR progress beyond production prototypes)?
Also, by combining these sales volumes they can also start having key parts made properly as they can order in enough numbers and also run the cost of stock piling.
A very big problem for all of us has been that non of the individual suppliers has been large enough or well capitalised enough to get batches of parts made in enough size as to be done properly and be cost effective. Windscreens and rads spring to mind as obvious parts there. And certainly this lack of critical mass was what led to some resorting to risking overseas manufacturers.
It is still a shame that Dom won't be supplying Heritage where his parts are proven superior.
DonkeyApple said:
julianc said:
My understanding is that before the new TVR Network handed over the first monthly bill to an organisation, the organisation needed to hand over all sorts of details about their business to TVR. The monthly bill was then calculated and issued to the organisation. I therefore assume that the monthly bill may vary considerably.
Perhaps the TVR Network organisations have their eye on future income from sales of the new TVRs (assuming TVR progress beyond production prototypes)?
Also, with the merger of RG parts, clever Trevor and multiparts the Heritage business will have more supply and esoteric as well as generic parts than any lone supplier. Perhaps the TVR Network organisations have their eye on future income from sales of the new TVRs (assuming TVR progress beyond production prototypes)?
Also, by combining these sales volumes they can also start having key parts made properly as they can order in enough numbers and also run the cost of stock piling.
A very big problem for all of us has been that non of the individual suppliers has been large enough or well capitalised enough to get batches of parts made in enough size as to be done properly and be cost effective. Windscreens and rads spring to mind as obvious parts there. And certainly this lack of critical mass was what led to some resorting to risking overseas manufacturers.
It is still a shame that Dom won't be supplying Heritage where his parts are proven superior.
Dom
DonkeyApple said:
Tvr Power said:
I have no interest what's so ever to be part of the new TVR network , we are the true "Peter wheeler Heritage" that can never be replaced , we are here for the long term to sell quality proven parts without any restrictions..
Dom
Even if they asked you? That's a shame. Dom
I treasure my heritage thank you Peter Wheeler
Dom
Edited by Tvr Power on Monday 8th June 19:06
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