TVR Parts Network - new twist

[Andy_mr2sc]

While I understand what you are trying to say here Dom I'm not sure I'd want to be associated with the 'true Peter Wheeler heritage' that you talk about. Poorly designed very weak con rods, dodgy (I believe Indian made?) finger followers that caused all the S6 reliability issues, poor head castings with different size combustion chambers and poor oil feed design, sub standard wiring.... The list goes on and on. Not something I'd want to put my name to.

[Tvr Power]

Andy_mr2sc said:

While I understand what you are trying to say here Dom I'm not sure I'd want to be associated with the 'true Peter Wheeler heritage' that you talk about. Poorly designed very weak con rods, dodgy (I believe Indian made?) finger followers that caused all the S6 reliability issues, poor head castings with different size combustion chambers and poor oil feed design, sub standard wiring.... The list goes on and on. Not something I'd want to put my name to.

Yes I hear what your saying but if it wasn't for Peter and the Russian TVR would have died decades ago

Dom

[julianc]

Tvr Power said:

They've asked many times it's doesn't work for my company , Powers Performance is a stand alone company and it has to stay this way to carry on "true heritage"

I treasure my heritage thank you Peter Wheeler

Dom

Edited by Tvr Power on Monday 8th June 19:06

I'm with you, Dom. Whenever I show my Tamora - which I've done at car shows twice in the last 10 days or so - I have a 'spec sheet' that on the reverse side has a large photo of PW at the wheel of his racer. I am always proud to say that she was built on PW's watch. From my perspective, you're the authority on the Tamora engine, and I would sooner source parts through organisations that you're comfortable with. Although not engine parts, I've been really happy with your Super Sports exhausts for many years now - the quality and performance is spot on.

[billynobrakes]

For all Peter Wheelers bad decisions with "quality control" he designed and produced iconic British cars that all of us on here love and drive, I should think most people know the issues with Wheelers TVR,s and I should think most of the issues have been put right, I did but still bought them and love them, I applaud all TVR garages who bring out upgrades for the issues that was in built with TVr,s and for keeping them on the road, same as us that buy the dam things and spend a small fortune on them as some on here who know me and what I have spent on the blooming things, and don,t forget they are rising in prices and becoming a more sort after car so Wheeler heritage lives on

My collection to date in order

Chim
Cerb (still got)
Griff (still got)
Griff rescued and sold guy still over the moon with the car
Tuscan one of you on here bought from me only because it had a powers rebuild and still got it but upgrading other bits
T350 still got and spent far too much money with one of those 4.5 engines in which is awe some

It is getting all a little bit bitter and twisted at the moment of which I understand all sides but there are some silly remarks being made which there is no need for, I have come up against some issues myself over the last month but that is another story, I bet in a few years time this will all be forgotten about.

[Tvr Power]

Don1 said:

cjb44 said:

Kerridges, TVR in Needham Market in Suffolk. Kerridges were the main dealer for TVR from the outset, good people and very fair - have treated me very well, Chris and Jamie (the main men in the workshop) are top class.

I stand corrected!

Dom, are you looking to work with TVR101 at all?

Tvr101 have signed up to the Tvr Network so there no longer authorized to maintain our engines

Dom

[m4tti]

Tvr Power said:

Tvr101 have signed up to the Tvr Network so there no longer authorized to maintain our engines

Dom

What happened there, wasn't it only in April that they were authorised.

Edited by m4tti on Tuesday 7th July 13:07

[Tvr Power]

m4tti said:

Tvr Power said:

Tvr101 have signed up to the Tvr Network so there no longer authorized to maintain our engines

Dom

What happened there, wasn't it only in April that they were authorised.

Edited by m4tti on Tuesday 7th July 13:07

POWER wants to stand alone & Tvr101 want to be Part of the Tvr controlled network

Dom

[Gazzab]

I see APM are now part of the Heritage deal. Top man is Andy.

[MrChips]

Tried calling the new TVR Parts to see about getting a mk2 Tuscan bonnet, especially as they have one on their website (albeit at megabucks). Cue a call out to someone in the background "Have we got any lying around?".... "Nope... give Fibreon a call"

If you don't have any, and aren't making any, then why have it on your site? I'm not even against the old RG parts side as i've bought a few bits from them before and they've been helpful.

My main issue with the whole Heritage network thing is that it's put a dividing line into the TVR community at such an early stage where all they have outwardly achieved so far is to buy the brand and then work away in the background. I'm guessing it's more about setting up an early revenue stream ahead of the new car launch. But something doesn't feel right when the result is that the harmony within the community does seem to have taken a bit of a shake up.

[glow worm]

I had the same problem with door caps for my Sag and my Tuscan convertible .... parts shown on the website but when they looked in the bins in stores the cupboard was bare

[chris watton]

glow worm said:

I had the same problem with door caps for my Sag and my Tuscan convertible .... parts shown on the website but when they looked in the bins in stores the cupboard was bare

Me too! I ordered 5 items last year and ultimately received 2 items, the other 3 not being available - but they're on the website!

[glow worm]

I made Sag ones myself by grinding down a Tuscan one ... Sags are same as Tamora ones..Tuscans are larger... all made by TVR from Trevor Coopers mould made from a rubber glove filled with gunk ( now lost forever !!)

[DonkeyApple]

MrChips said:

My main issue with the whole Heritage network thing is that it's put a dividing line into the TVR community at such an early stage where all they have outwardly achieved so far is to buy the brand and then work away in the background. I'm guessing it's more about setting up an early revenue stream ahead of the new car launch. But something doesn't feel right when the result is that the harmony within the community does seem to have taken a bit of a shake up.

I actually think it will bring an end to the decisive bks that has been going on since the factory closed. One way or another it's going to be drawn to a close. They've merged as much of the parts business as they could and pulled back in as many of the older dealers and service centres to produce a critical mass. It will be nice to have the last decade of awful behaviour put to be to be honest. Sooner rather than later, preferably.

[MrChips]

DonkeyApple said:

I actually think it will bring an end to the decisive bks that has been going on since the factory closed. One way or another it's going to be drawn to a close. They've merged as much of the parts business as they could and pulled back in as many of the older dealers and service centres to produce a critical mass. It will be nice to have the last decade of awful behaviour put to be to be honest. Sooner rather than later, preferably.

I can only think that our TVR experiences have been poles apart over the past few years for us to see things so differently. They haven't pulled back in dealers and service centres, they've franchised them, which still means that they can treat customers how they see fit to a certain extent. I can't see Les and the team having much time to provide manufacturer customer support if you have the odd occasion when something goes wrong with a dealer service. Much like all franchises, the first response will still be... speak to the dealer as that's what they're there for. Hopefully i'll be proved wrong of course!

The one positive is that by using the older network, they've lowered the initial investment requirement, however i'd hope you agree that many of the current dealers premises are only really suitable for servicing and at a push, used cars, they are not in any way at the moment suitable for a new customer to walk in and talk to staff, take a test drive etc etc.

I've had a great few years in the community, and from using a network side I was glad of the diversity... rebuild by str8six using Powers parts, parts from Racing Green, Powers, Racetech, Leven, ACT and many more. Serviced by Dom at Powers, Warren at Topcats and Calvin at Wilton Morgan, live mapped by Jules at Kits and Classics, and so on and so on.

I would think that diversity keeps things alive as much as combining them into a critical mass. I agree that for the new car, then a consolidated and branded network is the way forwards, but given it's still two years till even the first of the new cars are likely to arrive, all that seems to have been achieved is to earn money from the independents by bringing them onboard to the franchise early. I wonder how much new business each of the Heritage network has gained from joining up, not much I would guess, as the current owners generally already know where to go and where to avoid.

Edited by MrChips on Tuesday 7th July 23:23

[DonkeyApple]

MrChips said:

I can only think that our TVR experiences have been poles apart over the past few years for us to see things so differently. They haven't pulled back in dealers and service centres, they've franchised them, which still means that they can treat customers how they see fit to a certain extent. I can't see Les and the team having much time to provide manufacturer customer support if you have the odd occasion when something goes wrong with a dealer service. Much like all franchises, the first response will still be... speak to the dealer as that's what they're there for. Hopefully i'll be proved wrong of course!

The one positive is that by using the older network, they've lowered the initial investment requirement, however i'd hope you agree that many of the current dealers premises are only really suitable for servicing and at a push, used cars, they are not in any way at the moment suitable for a new customer to walk in and talk to staff, take a test drive etc etc.

I've had a great few years in the community, and from using a network side I was glad of the diversity... rebuild by str8six using Powers parts, parts from Racing Green, Powers, Racetech, Leven, ACT and many more. Serviced by Dom at Powers, Warren at Topcats and Calvin at Wilton Morgan, live mapped by Jules at Kits and Classics, and so on and so on.

I would think that diversity keeps things alive as much as combining them into a critical mass. I agree that for the new car, then a consolidated and branded network is the way forwards, but given it's still two years till even the first of the new cars are likely to arrive, all that seems to have been achieved is to earn money from the independents by bringing them onboard to the franchise early. I wonder how much new business each of the Heritage network has gained from joining up, not much I would guess, as the current owners generally already know where to go and where to avoid.

Edited by MrChips on Tuesday 7th July 23:23

Definitely right that there aren't really any entities in the current line up who you'd thinknof as having the right set up for non TVR people to come along and spend £100k. They will have to address that at some point. Absolute minimum has to be a pair of new showrooms for North and South.

Maybe though, with the new car being aimed at being an alternative for the modern computer controlled pile warmers that swamp the market, it could be that the more colloquial style of the current network is seen as a positive in contrast to the nylon suited, greasy ignoramus finance vendors that seem to blight most prestige car dealers.

What I was referring to though is the st stiring that various businesses have been doing bad mouthing each other to anyone who would listen. As a customer I've become utterly fed up of hearing it and frankly I'll be happy if those entities have nothing to do with TVR going forward. No one wants to hear their bhing. I think that creating a critical branded mass will hopefully end much of this but still leave room for the quality specialists to continue to do what they do so well.

[FarmyardPants]

Dollyman1850 said:

m4tti said:

So based on the latest TVR news, if the collaborators of the new vehicle are true, and they do sell their predicted 1000 - 1500 units, then leaving the TVR network looks a bit foolish. For a piffling fee and getting round a table agreeing parts suppliers, you now won't be able to tap into that servicing revenue stream, or develop factory approved upgrades. If the Gordon Murray is involved, it's likely to be a decent affair with a bit of a cult following.

I would hold off on any judgements until they are proven…

All that The TVR parts network have done thus far is make the parts a little more expensive and reduced the discount available to TVR club members by about 3%
When I see a factory then I will start to believe there may be a car..

Pound to a penny they will be asking for deposits on these proposed cars next!!

[mrzigazaga]

Tvr Power said:

I treasure my heritage thank you Peter Wheeler

Dom

My Great-Great grandmother couldn't afford the ticket for the Titanic ..Fate or Fortune?

I think you have seen the wood for the trees so to speak.

Since the sad closer of TVR it has continued to exist by the skin of its teeth thanks to all of us, The passion is what drives us and without it there would of been nothing to invest in...It really would of been a dead horse! ...Are the hens teeth to be re-manufactured again for ALL models..Mmm...I fear cost over quality.

I know the Wedge is not everyones cuppa rosie but i can still source most parts for my 1987 350i V8 from Ford..Rover..Jag..Triumph, Aviation & Marine suppliers so would probably not need to buy from TVR parts and especially if they are double the price...I don't scrimp on parts..i:e cost over quality for mine as that was a hard lesson learnt long ago by TVR...BUT....The hard to source parts are bloody expensive if you can find them and so if were available would probably be less expensive from TVR parts and so encourage all TVR enthusiasts to shop with them, Although i think it would soon inevitably become an old stock issue as demand is too small.

I suspect the road for TVR will be as is for all other motor car manufacturers ..Reasonably priced new cars but with high service costs..Couple this with the high maintenance factor of TVR's anyway and your market could essentially become smaller and less appealing...

It would be nice to know that the investment will lift TVR from the ashes but there is also the possibility that it will get blown away with the wind of change thus taking with it all those who signed the book!

Most of us will just carry on as normal...Whatever that is...

There is nothing wrong with sticking to your guns when you are passionate about something...The proof is definitely in the pudding.And from what i have heard the pudding sounds delicious....

[PuffsBack]

Andy_mr2sc said:

While I understand what you are trying to say here Dom I'm not sure I'd want to be associated with the 'true Peter Wheeler heritage' that you talk about. Poorly designed very weak con rods, dodgy (I believe Indian made?) finger followers that caused all the S6 reliability issues, poor head castings with different size combustion chambers and poor oil feed design, sub standard wiring.... The list goes on and on. Not something I'd want to put my name to.

???

SEAC
Griffith
Tuscan
Cerbera
Sagaris

Can't think why I like the sadly deceased bloke so much!

Just for the record I have owner 4 TVR's (including 2 Speed6 cars) and suffered from non of the above. ALthough to be fair the alternator on my Cerbera did die, but it was original and over 10 years old

[FarmyardPants]

I think it's a shrewd move to start taking deposits. It generates interest, shows they are serious and dispels some of the "will they?/won't they?" BS that has plagued the marque over the last ten years or so. Yes you have to be a bit mad to put money down on something that you don't have much idea about, but then you have to be a bit of a petrolhead nutter to run a TVR anyway . So far I think team LE have done everything right. The TVR network thing is necessary imo, you can't run a car manufacturing company without an official support network. Good luck to all those who have put money down