New TVR confirmed
Discussion
unrepentant said:
TVRMs said:
Some folk do buy cars, that aside, how will lease/finance companies look at residuals? Where is the market to 1500 cars a year with unknown residuals... Where is the market ??
1500 a year. 
ChilliWhizz said:
dvs_dave said:
Interesting and easy to understand Jalopnik article explaining the differences and pro/cons between cross-plane and flat-crank V8's.
http://www.jalopnik.com/what-is-a-flat-plane-crank...
I know I keep banging this drum, but I really do hope TVR are able to go for the Ford Voodoo engine. It would be so much more special than a hum drum cross plane V8 and would follow on very nicely from the AJP8 engine.
I'll be gutted if it's not a Ford Cosworth lump up front http://www.jalopnik.com/what-is-a-flat-plane-crank...
I know I keep banging this drum, but I really do hope TVR are able to go for the Ford Voodoo engine. It would be so much more special than a hum drum cross plane V8 and would follow on very nicely from the AJP8 engine.
Although I'm sure I'd get over it
Put my first twenty quid in the new savings account today
GTFO!https://youtu.be/jp9d-HhblD0
Looks like that RS200 in front had something to think about
Edited by dvs_dave on Friday 26th June 23:10
GadgeS3C said:
HarryW said:
RTH said:
Will they I wonder be at next years London motor Show in Battersea ?
TVR have a rich history in having very eye catching exhibits on press day, certainly in the 1970s & 80s .
I think bikini glad girls are frowned upon now days....TVR have a rich history in having very eye catching exhibits on press day, certainly in the 1970s & 80s .
dvs_dave said:
Oh my! Just listen to said engine in the new Mustang GT350R run up the hill at the Goodwood FOS today. Truck engine???? GTFO!
https://youtu.be/jp9d-HhblD0
Looks like that RS200 in front had something to think about
Like a Cerb on steroids, nice.... GTFO!https://youtu.be/jp9d-HhblD0
Looks like that RS200 in front had something to think about
Edited by dvs_dave on Friday 26th June 23:10
dvs_dave said:
flat-crank...so much more special than a hum drum cross plane V8
Flat-crank V8s are very humdrum. They just make the same drone as a 4-cylinder. Not remotely exciting. I'd honestly rather have an LS. The only reason the GT350 makes its superficially exciting noise is because it's undergone a load of mapping and exhaust-tuning to produce that snarl and the pops & crackles artificially. Take the engine out, put it on a test bench and remap it to eliminate those pops and bangs, it'll make the same old drone as all the rest of them. I'd rather hear a real engine... such as this! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSlkKO-ERD0RoverP6B said:
Flat-crank V8s are very humdrum. They just make the same drone as a 4-cylinder. Not remotely exciting. I'd honestly rather have an LS. The only reason the GT350 makes its superficially exciting noise is because it's undergone a load of mapping and exhaust-tuning to produce that snarl and the pops & crackles artificially. Take the engine out, put it on a test bench and remap it to eliminate those pops and bangs, it'll make the same old drone as all the rest of them. I'd rather hear a real engine... such as this! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSlkKO-ERD0
Agree with you rover that speed six sounds far better than any V8, I'm really hoping this new Tvr isn't some cheap point and squirt muscle car.ORD said:
The more I think about it, the more I think that £60k is very optimistic and an unnecessarily low price point. £70k or £80k wouldnt, I don't think, hit volumes very hard.
Given that nobody actually buys cars anymore, the differences in monthly payments will be small; the more important factor will be how the price compares to the German standards. And I think £70k could still be made to look good value.
If it's going to be better than a Sag then £80k is very optimistic.Given that nobody actually buys cars anymore, the differences in monthly payments will be small; the more important factor will be how the price compares to the German standards. And I think £70k could still be made to look good value.
Lotus E300S said:
Agree with you rover that speed six sounds far better than any V8, I'm really hoping this new Tvr isn't some cheap point and squirt muscle car.
I don't think that has to be a concern unless Murry's system, which to date no one has bought, used or financially given much merit to, turns out to not work. Wrapping a tubular frame in a composite is going to give the spinal rigidity needed to ensure it flies round corners.
I think the real key will be designing a torque curve that allows the best application of the power. I always felt that the 5L Rover delivered it's torque in the wrong place over too short a range and it made the cars unnecessarily twitchy. Great fun but I never felt it evolved the driving experience on from their smaller cc engines.
HarryW said:
GadgeS3C said:
HarryW said:
RTH said:
Will they I wonder be at next years London motor Show in Battersea ?
TVR have a rich history in having very eye catching exhibits on press day, certainly in the 1970s & 80s .
I think bikini glad girls are frowned upon now days....TVR have a rich history in having very eye catching exhibits on press day, certainly in the 1970s & 80s .
TVRMs said:
unrepentant said:
TVRMs said:
Some folk do buy cars, that aside, how will lease/finance companies look at residuals? Where is the market to 1500 cars a year with unknown residuals... Where is the market ??
1500 a year. Not my figures unrep
honest...My guess is the banks would be very cautious in the unlikely event that this car is ever made and that lease rates would be very high.
HarryW said:
dvs_dave said:
Oh my! Just listen to said engine in the new Mustang GT350R run up the hill at the Goodwood FOS today. Truck engine???? GTFO!
https://youtu.be/jp9d-HhblD0
Looks like that RS200 in front had something to think about
Like a Cerb on steroids, nice.... GTFO!https://youtu.be/jp9d-HhblD0
Looks like that RS200 in front had something to think about
Edited by dvs_dave on Friday 26th June 23:10
dvs_dave said:
You do realise that TVR's of yore popped and banged purely as a result of their mapping too? Is that any less contrived?
Easier now with more complex engine management systems, I expect, but I take the point. There is a spectrum, and at some point we each decide something sounds fake / contrived / try hard.
A lot of it is ultimately taster. I prefer the more mechanical sounds of, say, the V8 in the old M3. But that was a pretty special engine
The Mustang has the typically rather flat sound of a common or garden V8 with a layer of theatrics on top. Could the engine not be pissed about with to give it a better baseline sound? A bit more of a crescendo?
dvs_dave said:
You do realise that TVR's of yore popped and banged purely as a result of their mapping too? Is that any less contrived?
My basic understanding is that on Tivs the noise is caused by the MBE system running batch injection as it is simpler and cheaper. So fuel is basically dumped into the engine any old how Sequential injection is much more complex and expensive as it needs information from the cam shaft to know exactly which cylinder to prime and when. The demand for this obviously being recent emission rules and the race for mpg.
So sequential systems are more efficient on normal throttle loads and excess fuel isn't being dumped into the pipes so what a modern manufacturer has to do is tweak the EcU to throw some fuel in uneccasarily to get it to pop and bang.
At least with the TVR it wasn't deliberate but a by product of fitting cheaper and simpler engine management software whereas everything today has to be a deliberate marketing call programmed in to the computer to make.
DonkeyApple said:
My basic understanding is that on Tivs the noise is caused by the MBE system running batch injection as it is simpler and cheaper. So fuel is basically dumped into the engine any old how
Sequential injection is much more complex and expensive as it needs information from the cam shaft to know exactly which cylinder to prime and when. The demand for this obviously being recent emission rules and the race for mpg.
So sequential systems are more efficient on normal throttle loads and excess fuel isn't being dumped into the pipes so what a modern manufacturer has to do is tweak the EcU to throw some fuel in uneccasarily to get it to pop and bang.
At least with the TVR it wasn't deliberate but a by product of fitting cheaper and simpler engine management software whereas everything today has to be a deliberate marketing call programmed in to the computer to make.
Apparently the engineers wanted to map out the oops and bangs, however they were overruled by the marketing department.Sequential injection is much more complex and expensive as it needs information from the cam shaft to know exactly which cylinder to prime and when. The demand for this obviously being recent emission rules and the race for mpg.
So sequential systems are more efficient on normal throttle loads and excess fuel isn't being dumped into the pipes so what a modern manufacturer has to do is tweak the EcU to throw some fuel in uneccasarily to get it to pop and bang.
At least with the TVR it wasn't deliberate but a by product of fitting cheaper and simpler engine management software whereas everything today has to be a deliberate marketing call programmed in to the computer to make.
msmith0592 said:
DonkeyApple said:
My basic understanding is that on Tivs the noise is caused by the MBE system running batch injection as it is simpler and cheaper. So fuel is basically dumped into the engine any old how
Sequential injection is much more complex and expensive as it needs information from the cam shaft to know exactly which cylinder to prime and when. The demand for this obviously being recent emission rules and the race for mpg.
So sequential systems are more efficient on normal throttle loads and excess fuel isn't being dumped into the pipes so what a modern manufacturer has to do is tweak the EcU to throw some fuel in uneccasarily to get it to pop and bang.
At least with the TVR it wasn't deliberate but a by product of fitting cheaper and simpler engine management software whereas everything today has to be a deliberate marketing call programmed in to the computer to make.
Apparently the engineers wanted to map out the oops and bangs, however they were overruled by the marketing department.Sequential injection is much more complex and expensive as it needs information from the cam shaft to know exactly which cylinder to prime and when. The demand for this obviously being recent emission rules and the race for mpg.
So sequential systems are more efficient on normal throttle loads and excess fuel isn't being dumped into the pipes so what a modern manufacturer has to do is tweak the EcU to throw some fuel in uneccasarily to get it to pop and bang.
At least with the TVR it wasn't deliberate but a by product of fitting cheaper and simpler engine management software whereas everything today has to be a deliberate marketing call programmed in to the computer to make.
Edited by anonymous-user on Sunday 28th June 10:39
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