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TVRMs said:
at 1,437 kg the Evora S is still lightweight, muscling from 0 to 60 mph in 4.4 seconds, powering to its 178 mph maximum*. (http://www.lotuscars.com/lotus-evora-s)
The Elise is 924kg , the Exige is 1136 with 354bhp and 0-60 in 3.8, thats go to be the target range surely, sub 4 secs 1100-1200kg
But then the keen Lotus Elise owners will tell you that the later cars were lardy at 970 kilos (weight of my Elise Sports Racer).
1400 kilos and an honest 450 bhp will give good performance and should allow the car to have some quality in-built rather than building down to a weight and a price.
1400Kg and 450bhp is 321bhp/tonne, that's less bhp per tonne than my ageing naturally aspirated Chimaera, I think (personally) I'd be expecting a bit more than that from New TVR The Elise is 924kg , the Exige is 1136 with 354bhp and 0-60 in 3.8, thats go to be the target range surely, sub 4 secs 1100-1200kg
But then the keen Lotus Elise owners will tell you that the later cars were lardy at 970 kilos (weight of my Elise Sports Racer).
1400 kilos and an honest 450 bhp will give good performance and should allow the car to have some quality in-built rather than building down to a weight and a price.
Edited by ChilliWhizz on Sunday 12th July 11:16
Lets look at weight another way, rather than the notoriously unreliable figures bandied about by quite a few manufacturers (TVR included 
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My Tuscan was weighed with me and full gear and a full tank of fuel at 1157Kg. Taking off my 95Kg and with a lighter fuel load and that makes the car around 1000Kg ready-to-go. The good news is this is with a V8 (Chevrolet), dry sumped, and with a fairly heavy duty transmission; and all the gear to make it road legal so lights, glass screen, wipers...and it's a 2-seater. But the panels are also thinner glassfibre than the road cars, the tub is carbon kevlar, the chassis is CDS round tube and I gather lighter than the road cars, and there's no much else in it.
So I'd be taking 1000Kg as the absolute minimum for a car before you start adding some of the creature comforts. For most folk view of even a minimalist road car we need to add power steering (electric would be lighter), ABS with brake servo, an interior of sorts (door cards for a start), roof and windows with some way of opening windows (electric or manual), seats with some adjustment, steering column with some adjustment, heater and maybe even air conditioning, inertia seat belts no doubt with tensioners etc. I'd have guessed this lot (and the stuff I've missed) could be done within another 200Kg, but probably not 100. So I'd say for a very light minimalist V8-powered road car then 1200Kg could be on the cards, but I can't see how it could be much less.
It could of course be much more - a C7 Corvette is pretty much 1500Kg and that's despite an all-aluminium chassis and plastic body panels, an all-aluminium motor, composite prop-shaft and rear spring and all sorts of other bits of weight saving - and not too much in the way of obvious extra lard. So while 1200Kg might be an achievable target, it would be all too easy to get to 1400Kg or more.
And then we come to power-to-weight. Everyone will have their own views, but if it's going to be on the far side of 1000Kg (which it has to be) then in my book it also has to be north of 500Hp. Pretty easily achievable on an LS motor (I have one in the Tuscan), and no doubt the Ford too...although I maintain it is too tall/wide for a front-engined car with a 'sports car' profile, but that's another discussion...
As an aside I note the collaboration with Cosworth. All of the original race Tuscans had Pi System 2 race dashes/data recorders (mine still does). Pi was acquired by Cosworth some time back, and the System 2 range was superseded ages ago. But I'd hazard a guess there might be an option of a Cosworth dash/data logger; the Omega looks pretty neat.
).My Tuscan was weighed with me and full gear and a full tank of fuel at 1157Kg. Taking off my 95Kg and with a lighter fuel load and that makes the car around 1000Kg ready-to-go. The good news is this is with a V8 (Chevrolet), dry sumped, and with a fairly heavy duty transmission; and all the gear to make it road legal so lights, glass screen, wipers...and it's a 2-seater. But the panels are also thinner glassfibre than the road cars, the tub is carbon kevlar, the chassis is CDS round tube and I gather lighter than the road cars, and there's no much else in it.
So I'd be taking 1000Kg as the absolute minimum for a car before you start adding some of the creature comforts. For most folk view of even a minimalist road car we need to add power steering (electric would be lighter), ABS with brake servo, an interior of sorts (door cards for a start), roof and windows with some way of opening windows (electric or manual), seats with some adjustment, steering column with some adjustment, heater and maybe even air conditioning, inertia seat belts no doubt with tensioners etc. I'd have guessed this lot (and the stuff I've missed) could be done within another 200Kg, but probably not 100. So I'd say for a very light minimalist V8-powered road car then 1200Kg could be on the cards, but I can't see how it could be much less.
It could of course be much more - a C7 Corvette is pretty much 1500Kg and that's despite an all-aluminium chassis and plastic body panels, an all-aluminium motor, composite prop-shaft and rear spring and all sorts of other bits of weight saving - and not too much in the way of obvious extra lard. So while 1200Kg might be an achievable target, it would be all too easy to get to 1400Kg or more.
And then we come to power-to-weight. Everyone will have their own views, but if it's going to be on the far side of 1000Kg (which it has to be) then in my book it also has to be north of 500Hp. Pretty easily achievable on an LS motor (I have one in the Tuscan), and no doubt the Ford too...although I maintain it is too tall/wide for a front-engined car with a 'sports car' profile, but that's another discussion...
As an aside I note the collaboration with Cosworth. All of the original race Tuscans had Pi System 2 race dashes/data recorders (mine still does). Pi was acquired by Cosworth some time back, and the System 2 range was superseded ages ago. But I'd hazard a guess there might be an option of a Cosworth dash/data logger; the Omega looks pretty neat.
Don't worry Dom will get hold of the engine and sort it out,,
1400kgs, to heavy!
Cossie need to pull their finger out if you ask me,,, !
Really it matters not to the likes of me,,, other than manipulating the parts business for us old car users I'm not that fussed about it,, if it's not going to meet up to expectations it'll be a disaster
Long live the companies who have changed my perspective on Tvr, the ones who have re engineered and created some reliability for us all to enjoy,,
Beware Chinese parts I say,,,
I've got a sneaky feeling it's not going to look much like the pictures I've seen,,,,
I wish them all the luck but it's going to be tough.
1400kgs, to heavy!
Cossie need to pull their finger out if you ask me,,, !
Really it matters not to the likes of me,,, other than manipulating the parts business for us old car users I'm not that fussed about it,, if it's not going to meet up to expectations it'll be a disaster
Long live the companies who have changed my perspective on Tvr, the ones who have re engineered and created some reliability for us all to enjoy,,
Beware Chinese parts I say,,,
I've got a sneaky feeling it's not going to look much like the pictures I've seen,,,,
I wish them all the luck but it's going to be tough.
TVRMs said:
It's Jaguar XKR territory so wont be a slouch?
To reiterate, it is supposed to be a GT (Grand Touring) and not a sports car or a stripped out track day car.
Where is that information from? To reiterate, it is supposed to be a GT (Grand Touring) and not a sports car or a stripped out track day car.
The website says "Breathtaking in appearance and performance", so I'm hoping for a sports car that can also hold it's own on a track day. I don't want/need another GT car, and I chose not to buy a Jag as I thought it was way too lardy...
TVRMs said:
ChilliWhizz said:
TVRMs said:
at 1,437 kg the Evora S is still lightweight, muscling from 0 to 60 mph in 4.4 seconds, powering to its 178 mph maximum*. (http://www.lotuscars.com/lotus-evora-s)
The Elise is 924kg , the Exige is 1136 with 354bhp and 0-60 in 3.8, thats go to be the target range surely, sub 4 secs 1100-1200kg
But then the keen Lotus Elise owners will tell you that the later cars were lardy at 970 kilos (weight of my Elise Sports Racer).
1400 kilos and an honest 450 bhp will give good performance and should allow the car to have some quality in-built rather than building down to a weight and a price.
1400Kg and 450bhp is 321bhp/tonne, that's less bhp per tonne than my ageing naturally aspirated Chimaera, I think (personally) I'd be expecting a bit more than that from New TVR The Elise is 924kg , the Exige is 1136 with 354bhp and 0-60 in 3.8, thats go to be the target range surely, sub 4 secs 1100-1200kg
But then the keen Lotus Elise owners will tell you that the later cars were lardy at 970 kilos (weight of my Elise Sports Racer).
1400 kilos and an honest 450 bhp will give good performance and should allow the car to have some quality in-built rather than building down to a weight and a price.
Edited by ChilliWhizz on Sunday 12th July 11:16
To reiterate, it is supposed to be a GT (Grand Touring) and not a sports car or a stripped out track day car.
Short story
I was taken on a passenger ride by one of the well known (on the Cerb forum) Cerb owners around Snetterton, can't remember if it was early this year or back end of last year... Anyhoo, it was an AJP V8 but taken out to 4.7 litres and pushing out (I was told and can well believe it) somewhere North of 470bhp. Car had sensible suspension/brake upgrades but was otherwise original, as in not stripped out etc etc... I'm guessing it would have weighed around the 1200Kg mark (dunno what I base that on though), so maybe around 390bhp/tonne... I only mention this because the Cerb is a very capable GT car, and I can remember thinking as it accelerated up the Bentley Straight (monstrous acceleration - to me anyway), Wow, if new TVR is going to be a re-incarnated one of these then I'm very much going to need one in my life
tvrolet said:
TVRMs said:
It's Jaguar XKR territory so wont be a slouch?
To reiterate, it is supposed to be a GT (Grand Touring) and not a sports car or a stripped out track day car.
Where it that information from? To reiterate, it is supposed to be a GT (Grand Touring) and not a sports car or a stripped out track day car.
The website says "Breathtaking in appearance and performance", so I'm hoping for a sports car that can also hold it's own on a track day. I don't want/need another GT car, and I chose not to buy a Jag as I thought it was way too lardy...
Number 7 said:
Re-reading the interview, I certainly get the impression that it will be a "sports car" - all the talk from LE of beating Lambo, Dancing Donkeys and AM, coupled with reference to current leviathans masquerading as sports cars.
That's why I suggested the output would be well north of 500bhp. It has to be - you can buy hot hatches with 400bhp these days.I have mentioned before, a USP of the TVR's of old was the fact that you could buy a relatively cheap sports car that could embarrass other sports cars costing at least twice as much.
If you're going to shell out the best part of £80k on a new one, it will have to be very special indeed.
TVRMs said:
I'm fairly sure early information stated the car would be a GT car. I have however just read all the latest blurb on the TVR website and there is no mention of a GT car.
That why I had deleted my post making ref to same
Bugger, and there was me responding and chuntering on about a reincarnated Cerbera That why I had deleted my post making ref to same
Lotus E300S said:
chris watton said:
That's why I suggested the output would be well north of 500bhp. It has to be - you can buy hot hatches with 400bhp these days.
Not really, take a Ford Focus RS 300bhp and 1500kg+, having loads of power without the ability to put it down is pointless.chris watton said:
Lotus E300S said:
chris watton said:
That's why I suggested the output would be well north of 500bhp. It has to be - you can buy hot hatches with 400bhp these days.
Not really, take a Ford Focus RS 300bhp and 1500kg+, having loads of power without the ability to put it down is pointless.chris watton said:
Lotus E300S said:
chris watton said:
That's why I suggested the output would be well north of 500bhp. It has to be - you can buy hot hatches with 400bhp these days.
Not really, take a Ford Focus RS 300bhp and 1500kg+, having loads of power without the ability to put it down is pointless.http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=141...
Lotus E300S said:
Don't know if I'm honest, bet it's a fatty though
I know they're quite 'lardy', but doesn't the latest trick DSG gearboxes negate some of that?All I am saying is that a new £80k TVR would need a hell of a lot more power, more so with standard gearboxes, I would have thought. Otherwise it's just another £80k sportscar in a sea of other equally capable £80k sportscars...
ChilliWhizz said:
chris watton said:
Lotus E300S said:
chris watton said:
That's why I suggested the output would be well north of 500bhp. It has to be - you can buy hot hatches with 400bhp these days.
Not really, take a Ford Focus RS 300bhp and 1500kg+, having loads of power without the ability to put it down is pointless.http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=141...
ChilliWhizz said:
chris watton said:
Lotus E300S said:
chris watton said:
That's why I suggested the output would be well north of 500bhp. It has to be - you can buy hot hatches with 400bhp these days.
Not really, take a Ford Focus RS 300bhp and 1500kg+, having loads of power without the ability to put it down is pointless.http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=141...
wanacoop said:
How much did TVR claim that the Sag weighed? You'd have to think it's going to be at least another 100kg on that..
I believe that the Sag, in keeping with pretty much every Wheeler-era TVR, was officially 1060kg. It's amazing how all of their cars officially weighed the same - almost as if they didn't actually weigh them. 
Lotus E300S said:
ChilliWhizz said:
chris watton said:
Lotus E300S said:
chris watton said:
That's why I suggested the output would be well north of 500bhp. It has to be - you can buy hot hatches with 400bhp these days.
Not really, take a Ford Focus RS 300bhp and 1500kg+, having loads of power without the ability to put it down is pointless.http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=141...
p.s. I don't advocate high speed driving or 'racing' on the road, driving fast or seeing if you can keep up is for track days...
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