2017 TVR predicted pricing
Discussion
m4tti said:
JapanRed said:
Reigniting a thread that hasn't been discussed in 11 months.
I'm considering placing a deposit. Has there been any more info about potential costs or delivery dates?
Have we seen any of the pictures that were suggested earlier in the thread?
Rob
There has been nothing.... I'm considering placing a deposit. Has there been any more info about potential costs or delivery dates?
Have we seen any of the pictures that were suggested earlier in the thread?
Rob
m4tti said:
JapanRed said:
Reigniting a thread that hasn't been discussed in 11 months.
I'm considering placing a deposit. Has there been any more info about potential costs or delivery dates?
Have we seen any of the pictures that were suggested earlier in the thread?
Rob
There has been nothing.... I'm considering placing a deposit. Has there been any more info about potential costs or delivery dates?
Have we seen any of the pictures that were suggested earlier in the thread?
Rob
eliot said:
Not even a picture of the car - so if you want to place a deposit on a bunch of cardboard boxes with a white cloth draped over them - knock yourself out.
That's about the size of it.. It's certainly a peculiar approach. The tvr network members were supposedly going to be seeing the car back in June I believe which hasn't happened. m4tti said:
That's about the size of it.. It's certainly a peculiar approach. The tvr network members were supposedly going to be seeing the car back in June I believe which hasn't happened.
Octobers Evo - Is wort a read.. an editorial (positive) and 12 pages on TVR.. most relevant being the Gordon Murray interview. and his similar vision to TVR's of what a sports car should be.... Reading between the lines, the New TVR will be what he wanted for the Mercees Mclaren SLR project - (relative to morden sports cars) lightweight. ie 2nd car to have underfloor passive aero, BJWoods said:
Octobers Evo - Is wort a read.. an editorial (positive) and 12 pages on TVR.. most relevant being the Gordon Murray interview. and his similar vision to TVR's of what a sports car should be.... Reading between the lines, the New TVR will be what he wanted for the Mercees Mclaren SLR project - (relative to morden sports cars) lightweight. ie 2nd car to have underfloor passive aero,
The sentiment is nice but car production is typically driven by sales or investment. Both of which are currently fairly thin on the ground. After some deliberation I decided not to hand over a deposit, and with the lack of activity, that appears to have been the right decision as things now seem to be slipping in terms of delivery time scales.
Edited by m4tti on Thursday 18th August 17:19
TVRMs said:
Is reality beginning to sink in now that IF a car arrives it will be a 100+k car unless you go pauper spec?
The best and latest that we have to go on is the EVO article, which states "...the alleged price for the Launch Edition with the carbonfibre chassis is expected to be more than £120,000. But as is often the case, the rumours are wrong and the first set of TVRs with the lightweight chassis will be priced below £100,000."Yes, I have a deposit down, and yes, I am crossing fingers and toes, but this is supposedly from the horse's mouth so I have no reason to believe otherwise, for now.
SAGTAFF said:
4. When they talk about giant slaying then they are hopefully talking about performance figures that you can only buy elsewhere for £200k+ thus making their £80k look a bargain (affordable)
This is flawed as £80k TVR is still going to be a long way from todays Supercars - back in the day a Cerbera could easily hold it's own against the Ferrari's of its day (and still very respectable) - but Supercar world has moved on big time and 400-500bhp (if they get that) is still going to be slow compared to most 200k cars. So the idea thats it's a cheap way to get that sort of performance is flawed, as its more likely to be a competitor to new Cayman's (with Turbo power now) - M3/M4 - its not going to get near a Supercar. NickOrangeCars said:
This is flawed as £80k TVR is still going to be a long way from todays Supercars - back in the day a Cerbera could easily hold it's own against the Ferrari's of its day (and still very respectable) - but Supercar world has moved on big time and 400-500bhp (if they get that) is still going to be slow compared to most 200k cars. So the idea thats it's a cheap way to get that sort of performance is flawed, as its more likely to be a competitor to new Cayman's (with Turbo power now) - M3/M4 - its not going to get near a Supercar.
Why IF? as the base engine is 420 BHP! - and Cosworth are not going to lie about it. if they say 480 or 500 BHP in TVR spec. |Also it is not going to be slower - if it is 400-500 Kgs lighter!! (don't care about Max speed)
Target TVR weight 1150kg.. a target 400BHP per tonne level of performance
ie
Porsche Turbo 'unladen' weight = 1,670 kg - with only 540BhP
http://www.porsche.com/uk/models/911/911-turbo/fea...
Jaguar F-Type R AWD - weight > 170 kg - 550 bhp (non AWD (1650kg)
http://www.jaguar.com/jaguar-range/f-type/specific...
Ferrari 488 - 1544 KG - 660 BHP
How does all that weight help you go around corners, or stop quickly?
In the Gordon Murray interview he bemoans the fact that cars have got to heavy.... Lets's see?
Edited by BJWoods on Thursday 18th August 19:20
Edited by BJWoods on Thursday 18th August 19:23
BJWoods said:
it is not going to be slow - if it is 500KGs lighter!!
Target TVR weight 1150kg.. a target 400BHP per tonne level of performance
ie
Porsche Turbo 'unladen' weight = 1,670 kg - with only 540BhP
http://www.porsche.com/uk/models/911/911-turbo/fea...
Jaguar F-Type R AWD - weight = 1700 kg - 550 bhp (non AWD (1650kg)
http://www.jaguar.com/jaguar-range/f-type/specific...
Power to weight ratio is meaningless now days. Look at GTR's and the latest crop of super cars. They may get the engine power at the same level but these cars produce performance with the management of that power through the technology applied to the drive train. Target TVR weight 1150kg.. a target 400BHP per tonne level of performance
ie
Porsche Turbo 'unladen' weight = 1,670 kg - with only 540BhP
http://www.porsche.com/uk/models/911/911-turbo/fea...
Jaguar F-Type R AWD - weight = 1700 kg - 550 bhp (non AWD (1650kg)
http://www.jaguar.com/jaguar-range/f-type/specific...
Edited by BJWoods on Thursday 18th August 19:16
Edited by m4tti on Thursday 18th August 19:26
thecook101 said:
TVRMs said:
Is reality beginning to sink in now that IF a car arrives it will be a 100+k car unless you go pauper spec?
The best and latest that we have to go on is the EVO articleWhy after supporting a start up should you need to see how you order is being progressed by reading a comic?
m4tti said:
Power to weight ratio is meaningless now days. Look at GTR's and the latest crop of super cars. They may get the engine power at the same level but these cars produce performance with the application of that power through the technology applied to the drive train.
Yes - and I'm sure Gordon Murray is aware of that - have you read the EVO article, where he talks about the underfloor aero - plus TC is going to be included. TVRMs said:
And that alone would be enough for me to tell TVR to go raffle themselves...
Why after supporting a start up should you need to see how you order is being progressed by reading a comic?
Read the Gordon Murray interview where his company is going to be involved until the keys are handed over....Why after supporting a start up should you need to see how you order is being progressed by reading a comic?
And Motor journalists are as cynical as they come (epsecially wit TVRs history) yet they are positive. 'comic' - c'mon.
BJWoods said:
TVRMs said:
And that alone would be enough for me to tell TVR to go raffle themselves...
Why after supporting a start up should you need to see how you order is being progressed by reading a comic?
Read the Gordon Murray interview where his company is going to be involved until the keys are handed over....Why after supporting a start up should you need to see how you order is being progressed by reading a comic?
And Motor journalists are as cynical as they come (epsecially wit TVRs history) yet they are positive. 'comic' - c'mon.
Do you think it's much more than a comic, honestly?
BJWoods said:
Yes - and I'm sure Gordon Murray is aware of that - have you read the EVO article, where he talks about the underfloor aero - plus TC is going to be included.
Yes I know all that. Sorry but if you think that's going to make it compete with the cars I mention then your buying into the hyperbole. This competes and beats the current crop of super cars. Laps quicker than a p1... Has huge aero, flat bottom, and a trick gearbox.. And starts at 120k. As you can see as a road car it will only appeal to a certain few. We need an air of realism. Murray has a vested interest to make you think like this about the new car.
Another question is why Yamaha didn't continue with the istream car..
m4tti said:
Yes I know all that. Sorry but if you think that's going to make it compete with the cars I mention then your buying into the hyperbole.
This competes and beats the current crop of super cars. Laps quicker than a p1... Has huge aero, flat bottom, and a trick gearbox.. And starts at 120k. As you can see as a road car it will only appeal to a certain few. We need an air of realism. Murray has a vested interest to make you think like this about the new car.
Another question is why Yamaha didn't continue with the istream car..
but I don't want a supercar, or a P1 competitor- I want a road friendly, sports car and I want a relatively lightweight one, that is relatively small, and can take luggage, etc with a relativity high power to weight ration.. There TVR and Murray seem to agree. £80k car with 400 BHP er tonne, relatively small, lightweight is a different market/direction than the supercar..This competes and beats the current crop of super cars. Laps quicker than a p1... Has huge aero, flat bottom, and a trick gearbox.. And starts at 120k. As you can see as a road car it will only appeal to a certain few. We need an air of realism. Murray has a vested interest to make you think like this about the new car.
Another question is why Yamaha didn't continue with the istream car..
why can't a supercar, be defined by something else than max speed?
BJWoods said:
but I don't want a supercar, or a P1 competitor- I want a road friendly, sports car and I want a relatively lightweight one, that is relatively small, and can take luggage, etc with a relativity high power to weight ration.. There TVR and Murray seem to agree. £80k car with 400 BHP er tonne, relatively small, lightweight is a different market/direction than the supercar..
why can't a supercar, be defined by something else than max speed?
It is.. It's defined largely by speed, handling, looks and for some laptimes... The point I'm was alluding to is in even semi analogue terms you'd need to produce something like the RXC to have supercar performance at the price mentioned. Hence why I'm sceptical the tvr will generate anything like super car performance. But you can call it what you like.. If it's a super car to you then it's a supercar. why can't a supercar, be defined by something else than max speed?
You asked why cant it compete with super cars due to its superior power to weight, and that's been answered, and now your digressing.
Edited by m4tti on Thursday 18th August 21:02
Edited by m4tti on Thursday 18th August 21:20
TVRMs said:
And that alone would be enough for me to tell TVR to go raffle themselves...
Why after supporting a start up should you need to see how you order is being progressed by reading a comic?
Hmm. Wrong side of bed this morning..? I guess it's fine to grumble and criticise, but be aware that's what it is. Unless you have information I don't I guess we'll all just have to be patient. Even the naysayers.Why after supporting a start up should you need to see how you order is being progressed by reading a comic?
And for goodness sake, TVR and not trying to create a 'supercar', nor something that competes with one, just a lightweight, proper sports car that looks bonkers, sounds brilliant and goes like stonk. I'm excited, clearly you're not, that's fine.
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