2017 TVR predicted pricing

[BJWoods]

N7GTX said:

In the interview with Sprint last year, Les himself said this car was to be an Aston, Ferrari etc beater . He has placed the car in this bracket.

And this is what he said to Top Gear magazine in June 2015. Small clues about styling and size included.

http://www.topgear.com/car-news/insider/new-tvr-wi...

yes I read that, my expectation

V8 vantage, DB9 - not the new Aston supercar, Ferrari 458, 488 not the supercars (LA Ferrari), etc. , Porsche Turbo, not Porsche supercars.

[SAGTAFF]

TVRMs said:

.......I see nothing to get excited about.

I'm a glass half - full person.

Edited by TVRMs on Friday 19th August 08:59

Edited by TVRMs on Friday 19th August 09:02

The Oxford dictionary need to be aware of this - its the perfect definition of contradiction!!!

[anonymous-user]

SAGTAFF said:

TVRMs said:

.......I see nothing to get excited about.

I'm a glass half - full person.

Edited by anonymous-user on Friday 19th August 08:59

Edited by anonymous-user on Friday 19th August 09:02

The Oxford dictionary need to be aware of this - its the perfect definition of contradiction!!!

That's mischievous selective quoting

[anonymous-user]

TVRMs said:

I have however, several very good reasons to believe a new TVR won't be along for a long time.

Edited by anonymous-user on Friday 19th August 08:59

Edited by anonymous-user on Friday 19th August 09:02

Ah, so you are coming round. You accept that it will materialise, albeit later than expected. Hey, I can live with that.

[anonymous-user]

TVRMs said:

I have however, several very good reasons to believe a new TVR won't be along for a long time.

Edited by anonymous-user on Friday 19th August 08:59

Edited by anonymous-user on Friday 19th August 09:02

Ah, so you are coming round. You accept that it will materialise, albeit later than expected. Hey, I can live with that.

[Precat]

I'm very interested in the new TVR. All depends on how the car looks, the final spec and price.

Here's my deposit. Twelve years of fun and counting


Let's see if they can get me to trade-in my Griffith for the new TVR.

[anonymous-user]

thecook101 said:

TVRMs said:

I have however, several very good reasons to believe a new TVR won't be along for a long time.

Edited by anonymous-user on Friday 19th August 08:59

Edited by anonymous-user on Friday 19th August 09:02

Ah, so you are coming round. You accept that it will materialise, albeit later than expected. Hey, I can live with that.

If I thought the current owners were credible, I would have placed a deposit.

I hope New TVRs that are worthy of the name are built in my lifetime and I think they will be, but they'll have to get a wiggle on ..

Edited by anonymous-user on Friday 19th August 19:07

[NickOrangeCars]

BJWoods said:

yes - NickOrange started talking about supercars - 200k plus cars

I was referring to sports cars, quoting Murray talking about sports cars.. (see my my earlier comments)

I gave examples Porsche 911 turbo, Jaguar F-type, Ferrari488.. (not "supercars" - ie of the P1 variety, you refered to..... )
Are these super cars in your eyes, they are not in mine, and is what I was talking about - sports cars

You gave an exampe of a 120k car competing with a P1...

which is totally irrelevant to what I was talking about sportscars, and I never suggested it would be competing witha P1 -
I gave examples of 550-650 bhp sports cars, that were heavy, making a 500 BHP much lighter target weight TVR competive with them

why this attitude?

I didn't start it - whoever said £200k - I assumed they meant a supercar!

And to answer a number of people about power/weight ratio - up to 60mph it matters, but above that pretty much irrelevant, so quoting weight of a 488 vs you saying the TVR will be sub 1100 KG (I frankly don't believe they will meet it - .e.g Lotus Exige is 1100kg! so where do they find the weight saving??) - but back to my point, weight only matters up to a certain point (for straight line) - a 1100 kg car with 500bhp is not going to come close to a 660BHP 1500kg car, the same for corners, which is about tyre footprint + chassis.

But the key now to quickness is not just about weight + power - too many other factors that now makeup a supercar, computer controlled dynamics, (like McLarens suspension or brake steer) or the E-Diff in a Ferrari, these things cost *vast* amounts of money to develop, stuffing a V8 in a chassis however well setup is still not going to be competitive.

As per someone else on this thread - what I dislike is the PR / hype - I want this to be a massive success by making this new car a 'TVR' and to have all the good attributes of 'TVR-ness' (e.g. muscle, noise, passion, unadulterated driving) - not for it to be sold as a cheap supercar, because thats just going to end up with 'egg on face'

[BJWoods]

Except that I said tvr target weight was 1150kg....

[GTrr]

NickOrangeCars said:

I didn't start it - whoever said £200k - I assumed they meant a supercar!

And to answer a number of people about power/weight ratio - up to 60mph it matters, but above that pretty much irrelevant, so quoting weight of a 488 vs you saying the TVR will be sub 1100 KG (I frankly don't believe they will meet it - .e.g Lotus Exige is 1100kg! so where do they find the weight saving??) - but back to my point, weight only matters up to a certain point (for straight line) - a 1100 kg car with 500bhp is not going to come close to a 660BHP 1500kg car, the same for corners, which is about tyre footprint + chassis.

But the key now to quickness is not just about weight + power - too many other factors that now makeup a supercar, computer controlled dynamics, (like McLarens suspension or brake steer) or the E-Diff in a Ferrari, these things cost *vast* amounts of money to develop, stuffing a V8 in a chassis however well setup is still not going to be competitive.

As per someone else on this thread - what I dislike is the PR / hype - I want this to be a massive success by making this new car a 'TVR' and to have all the good attributes of 'TVR-ness' (e.g. muscle, noise, passion, unadulterated driving) - not for it to be sold as a cheap supercar, because thats just going to end up with 'egg on face'

Indeed, TVR should be about fun, pure driving experience and outrageous styling. They will never be able to keep up performance wise with the likes of Porsche, Ferrari etc.
Hope they make it and that the pricing will be reasonable.

[BJWoods]

GTrr said:

Indeed, TVR should be about fun, pure driving experience and outrageous styling. They will never be able to keep up performance wise with the likes of Porsche, Ferrari etc.
Hope they make it and that the pricing will be reasonable.

Handling wise. With GMD involvement . I do have high expectations. In the evolution interview Murray describes it as last shout for a pure sports car.. If TVR said that, I might think hype,but Murray saying it makes it very interesting.

[GTrr]

BJWoods said:

Handling wise. With GMD involvement . I do have high expectations. In the evolution interview Murray describes it as last shout for a pure sports car.. If TVR said that, I might think hype,but Murray saying it makes it very interesting.

Better handling than Porsche or Ferrari? That wouldn't be very TVR-like!

[NickOrangeCars]

BJWoods said:

Handling wise. With GMD involvement . I do have high expectations. In the evolution interview Murray describes it as last shout for a pure sports car.. If TVR said that, I might think hype,but Murray saying it makes it very interesting.

define pure though? pure to me means no intervention, but my Chimaera is pure and I love it to bits, but some of the 'fun' is lost as driving right at the edge means one tiny mistake and it spits you off road/track - in comparison something like a Cayman R/GT4 which has 'some' electronics without intervening too much is *huge* amounts of fun as they are so balanced and make you feel like a driving god, if new TVR could even get 80% of that feeling it would be huge, but I have my doubts that in such a short space of time. McLaren with f-ing vast amounts of $$$ has taken them 6+ years to get to a near perfect 'sports' car (see recent reviews of 570)

[Bluebottle]

How much money did Mercedes spend with Murray developing there sports car that bares a remarkable likeness to the new TVR spec...side exiting exhaust underfloor aerodynamics. I suspect an awful lot of TVR development got inadvertently funded by Mercedes

[TOV!E]

Surely the price will be in line with the new V8 Morgan's, crate engine, gearbox hand built ect ect, and the start at £85000 so can see TVRS being a lot cheaper, I hope they are though as £60-70 Grand should sell them👌👌👌

[nrick]

Carbon tub
Tuned V8 production engine.
Bespoke interior

I'd think the Noble was the closest equivalent ?

Higher numbers would be Mclaren. The easy stuff is the off the shelf powertrain, they all pretty much use the same stuff from the same manufacturers, it is the harder bits of trim, switches, and systems that take the time and money unless you buy off the shelf.

They may of course sell the first run as a lost leader but having looked at this in depth having done the due diligence on a car company it is hard to make a decent car for less than 100k without cutting corners and without a carbon tub!

Obviously just my views and waiting to be shot down in flames.

[Incognegro]

Im throwing my hat in the ring at £95-£100k minimum.

My reasoning is with every day that goes by, costs go up and its got to the point of no return. For the project to work it has to be good enough to demand the price. Hence lack of info is due to fine tuning the things that have increased cost and making it more a case of its no longer cheap... but what a car it is!

Just my thoughts.

[BJWoods]

NickOrangeCars said:

define pure though? pure to me means no intervention, but my Chimaera is pure and I love it to bits, but some of the 'fun' is lost as driving right at the edge means one tiny mistake and it spits you off road/track - in comparison something like a Cayman R/GT4 which has 'some' electronics without intervening too much is *huge* amounts of fun as they are so balanced and make you feel like a driving god, if new TVR could even get 80% of that feeling it would be huge, but I have my doubts that in such a short space of time. McLaren with f-ing vast amounts of $$$ has taken them 6+ years to get to a near perfect 'sports' car (see recent reviews of 570)

My mistake.. Murray said 'proper' not pure. And reading the article again,he seems likely aligned with your thinking.
I love my Griff handling up until ~ 8 tenths. Then a bit scary. . But I would rarely ever drive it at 8 tenths on a public road. There is also front engined vs mid engined experience to consider.