NEW TVR ANNOUNCEMENT
Discussion
Tvr Power said:
DonkeyApple said:
I missed the talk as I was talking to the Lloyd chaps about a Rangie 
But I heard the remark about the chap who has ordered twice and cancelled twice. I Know who the twerp is but what is the logic in behaving like that?
Frankly he just seems to be highlighting the general belief that for TVR to succeed going forward he must be kept well and truly away and have nothing to do with it. Far too divisive and bitter.
Lets nip this in the bud !!!!But I heard the remark about the chap who has ordered twice and cancelled twice. I Know who the twerp is but what is the logic in behaving like that?
Frankly he just seems to be highlighting the general belief that for TVR to succeed going forward he must be kept well and truly away and have nothing to do with it. Far too divisive and bitter.
Initially I had a call from TVR and placed the £2500 deposit, 10 days later I was told my deposit wasn't acceptable because my membership had lapsed. Therefore I cancelled the £2500 on principle... Two weeks later I thought sod it, in for a penny in for a pound. So I place the 5k deposit. Several weeks later I'm constantly being informed Powers Performance are no longer able to supply parts to the trade and public. Basically TVR want Power to stop selling parts so they can cartel trade, this is why I cancelled a second time. So if you want to call me a twerp I can live with that, what I wont live with is our customers being dictated to whilst trying to corner the market.
Dom
Was that you in the stocks there Dom?
m4tti said:
Tvr Power said:
Lets nip this in the bud !!!!
Initially I had a call from TVR and placed the £2500 deposit, 10 days later I was told my deposit wasn't acceptable because my membership had lapsed. Therefore I cancelled the £2500 on principle... Two weeks later I thought sod it, in for a penny in for a pound. So I place the 5k deposit. Several weeks later I'm constantly being informed Powers Performance are no longer able to supply parts to the trade and public. Basically TVR want Power to stop selling parts so they can cartel trade, this is why I cancelled a second time. So if you want to call me a twerp I can live with that, what I wont live with is our customers being dictated to whilst trying to corner the market.
Dom
Who's informing you, that you can't supply to the public Dom. Every manufacturer would like to some extent control the supply of parts, but there will always be secondary suppliers , nothing they can do about it. A similar example would be Hill engineering or DK engineering supplying the Ferrari community. I'm not sure where the notion of dictating the market is coming from, but don't think that is the case....Initially I had a call from TVR and placed the £2500 deposit, 10 days later I was told my deposit wasn't acceptable because my membership had lapsed. Therefore I cancelled the £2500 on principle... Two weeks later I thought sod it, in for a penny in for a pound. So I place the 5k deposit. Several weeks later I'm constantly being informed Powers Performance are no longer able to supply parts to the trade and public. Basically TVR want Power to stop selling parts so they can cartel trade, this is why I cancelled a second time. So if you want to call me a twerp I can live with that, what I wont live with is our customers being dictated to whilst trying to corner the market.
Dom
Edited by N7GTX on Monday 28th September 23:48
N7GTX said:
When ordering a nice shiny oil filler cap from Leven Tech, the very nice lady informed me that they could no longer sell me one with the TVR letters as it was now infringing the new owner's copyright. But they can still sell blank ones. I would be removing the parts from the packaging that bears a reference to TVR and putting them in new packaging with Powers Performance on the labels instead.
Exactly. It's only a problem if you somehow thought you were TVR and thought that meant you could use the brand for your business. Edited by N7GTX on Monday 28th September 23:48
HarryW said:
So there's a mule out there with the running gear, note to self keep eye out for strange sounding silver Cerberas.
Only a guess on my part given GM's previous use of a couple of silver Cerbera as mules for the SLR running gear.
It's looking very much as though the new TVR will share a lot of its DNA with the McMerc SLR. After all the SLR was a GM project, not allowed to be delivered as he wanted due to Merc's influence. So perhaps the new TVR will incorporate a lot of the lessons learned from that project, and will be closer to being a cut price hardcore SLR than anything else?Only a guess on my part given GM's previous use of a couple of silver Cerbera as mules for the SLR running gear.
F/R layout, flat aero underbody, and side pipes. No other car apart from the SLR has had this configuration before so we should be looking at that for design cues and what'll be going on with the underbody aero. I just hope it doesn't make servicing a PITA as that's a criticism for the SLR, largely due to having to remove all the underbody panels and loads of screws having to be removed every time.
Maybe we should be keeping an eye out for some weird looking SLR mules?
N7GTX said:
When ordering a nice shiny oil filler cap from Leven Tech, the very nice lady informed me that they could no longer sell me one with the TVR letters as it was now infringing the new owner's copyright. But they can still sell blank ones. I would be removing the parts from the packaging that bears a reference to TVR and putting them in new packaging with Powers Performance on the labels instead.
As DA says that's slightly different.. If your looking to ride of a marques branding for un-authorised gain then your going to have to re-locate to China Edited by N7GTX on Monday 28th September 23:48
Did you suggest this to the nice lady
V8 GRF said:
julianc said:
ABS and traction control? Not a proper TVR, then.... 
The line he used was it would be irresponsible on a car capable of 200mph not to use those technologies. TC can be turned off he said and that allows you to sit at the traffic lights in a cloud of tyre smoke should you want to ..... that sounds like TVR to me Lotus E300S said:
I now have a 991 GT3 and the flappy paddle system is a must for me now, even thinking of putting my Sagaris up for sale,
Below was a post made by another Sagaris owner a few months ago and I agree with him 100%
"I was a die hard manual fan at one point, TVR's/Noble etc and analogue beasts were my choice but those days are now gone for me, I refused to do the high tech thing but last year thought I'd dip my toe and bought a Speciale, then an LP640 with an older single clutch system (which is slow but still much better and faster than using a gearstick), it adds so much excitement to a fast car with the brutal gearchange of a paddle system.
The final nail in the coffin was a 10 day euro trip in the Speciale, it was easy to drive, fast, fun and comfortable, largely down to the gearbox. All the other cars struggled with heat, gearbox's seizing up, and people crying about a sore clutch leg/foot. We covered 3000 miles and I didn't have a single thing to complain about (other than my air con being too cold), the first of about 8 trips I've done over the years where this was the case. As a consequence I'm selling the Sagaris. Appreciate a manual in the right classic but modern sports cars need to embrace the flappy paddles. "
Tvr have to offer a pdk type gearbox and decent air con system IMHO
I've ponder this flappy paddle vs manual for a bit. Below was a post made by another Sagaris owner a few months ago and I agree with him 100%
"I was a die hard manual fan at one point, TVR's/Noble etc and analogue beasts were my choice but those days are now gone for me, I refused to do the high tech thing but last year thought I'd dip my toe and bought a Speciale, then an LP640 with an older single clutch system (which is slow but still much better and faster than using a gearstick), it adds so much excitement to a fast car with the brutal gearchange of a paddle system.
The final nail in the coffin was a 10 day euro trip in the Speciale, it was easy to drive, fast, fun and comfortable, largely down to the gearbox. All the other cars struggled with heat, gearbox's seizing up, and people crying about a sore clutch leg/foot. We covered 3000 miles and I didn't have a single thing to complain about (other than my air con being too cold), the first of about 8 trips I've done over the years where this was the case. As a consequence I'm selling the Sagaris. Appreciate a manual in the right classic but modern sports cars need to embrace the flappy paddles. "
Tvr have to offer a pdk type gearbox and decent air con system IMHO
Strangley Porsche identified a gap in the market and have made the Cayman GT4 manual and sold two years worth of cars in hours when first released. It is being hailed by many as the best of the current Porsches.
It is also comes in at £64k and when combined with the above makes it the most appropriate and direct competitor for the new TVR. I fully expect the new Tiv to spank it though.... IMHO.
Agree on working aircon
As an Ex TVR owner and a customer of Dom, TVR power, powers performance etc etc etc I am Very surprised and somewhat disappointed with “TVR’s” attitude towards Dom and his business.
I know Dom reasonably well and his spot on business ethics. Having been in the “industry” in the past, i find the lack of basic intelligence shown alarming.
I’ll explain, the New TVR will require specialists to look after the new cars, like a Dealer but being TVR more specialist than your average type dealer. So, why not upgrade the existing TVR specialists, which Dom and his business is surely the Top one in the UK, to help look after the new cars? It makes sound sense and helps keep the lineage from old TVR to new TVR, as like all well respected marques, the history greatly helps sell the new.
It’s none of my business of course, just my thoughts. IMO, the new spec TVR sounds great, having a well-known existing TVR specialist look after it / supply it etc makes complete sense to me.
I know Dom reasonably well and his spot on business ethics. Having been in the “industry” in the past, i find the lack of basic intelligence shown alarming.
I’ll explain, the New TVR will require specialists to look after the new cars, like a Dealer but being TVR more specialist than your average type dealer. So, why not upgrade the existing TVR specialists, which Dom and his business is surely the Top one in the UK, to help look after the new cars? It makes sound sense and helps keep the lineage from old TVR to new TVR, as like all well respected marques, the history greatly helps sell the new.
It’s none of my business of course, just my thoughts. IMO, the new spec TVR sounds great, having a well-known existing TVR specialist look after it / supply it etc makes complete sense to me.
Mark A S said:
As an Ex TVR owner and a customer of Dom, TVR power, powers performance etc etc etc I am Very surprised and somewhat disappointed with “TVR’s” attitude towards Dom and his business.
I know Dom reasonably well and his spot on business ethics. Having been in the “industry” in the past, i find the lack of basic intelligence shown alarming.
I’ll explain, the New TVR will require specialists to look after the new cars, like a Dealer but being TVR more specialist than your average type dealer. So, why not upgrade the existing TVR specialists, which Dom and his business is surely the Top one in the UK, to help look after the new cars? It makes sound sense and helps keep the lineage from old TVR to new TVR, as like all well respected marques, the history greatly helps sell the new.
It’s none of my business of course, just my thoughts. IMO, the new spec TVR sounds great, having a well-known existing TVR specialist look after it / supply it etc makes complete sense to me.
I agree, it's just turning into tribalism, and I think it's pathetic.I know Dom reasonably well and his spot on business ethics. Having been in the “industry” in the past, i find the lack of basic intelligence shown alarming.
I’ll explain, the New TVR will require specialists to look after the new cars, like a Dealer but being TVR more specialist than your average type dealer. So, why not upgrade the existing TVR specialists, which Dom and his business is surely the Top one in the UK, to help look after the new cars? It makes sound sense and helps keep the lineage from old TVR to new TVR, as like all well respected marques, the history greatly helps sell the new.
It’s none of my business of course, just my thoughts. IMO, the new spec TVR sounds great, having a well-known existing TVR specialist look after it / supply it etc makes complete sense to me.
Mark A S said:
........ as like all well respected marques, the history greatly helps sell the new.
Sorry to selectively quote, but a good history would indeed help sell the brand, but to most people the old TVR always had a reputation for being fragile (at best), or just down right unreliable (at worst). Being blunt, TVR went bust on the back of a history of unreliability. The new TVR has to bury that old reputation. In order to make the new TVR a success, Les Edgar and his team will need to take full control over the 'brand', have total assurance that everybody involved does it his way, and to his brand standard. That is effectively what he is doing bringing the parts and servicing back 'in house'.
Just like every other manufacturer, they have a dealer network and there will also be a network of very well respected independents. Power Performance will continue as a very well respected independent just like they have since the last TVR rolled out of Blackpool.
Now when do we see a picture of the new TVR?
Mark A S said:
So, why not upgrade the existing TVR specialists, which Dom and his business is surely the Top one in the UK, to help look after the new cars? It makes sound sense and helps keep the lineage from old TVR to new TVR, as like all well respected marques, the history greatly helps sell the new.
It's been discussed at great length on this forum, but essentially not all the specialists liked the terms and conditions on offer from TVR so they haven't signed up....Powers Performance being one of the more notable ones. So it's not like TVR haven't tried, its just the current deal doesn't make sense for everyone.dvs_dave said:
HarryW said:
So there's a mule out there with the running gear, note to self keep eye out for strange sounding silver Cerberas.
Only a guess on my part given GM's previous use of a couple of silver Cerbera as mules for the SLR running gear.
It's looking very much as though the new TVR will share a lot of its DNA with the McMerc SLR. After all the SLR was a GM project, not allowed to be delivered as he wanted due to Merc's influence. So perhaps the new TVR will incorporate a lot of the lessons learned from that project, and will be closer to being a cut price hardcore SLR than anything else?Only a guess on my part given GM's previous use of a couple of silver Cerbera as mules for the SLR running gear.
F/R layout, flat aero underbody, and side pipes. No other car apart from the SLR has had this configuration before so we should be looking at that for design cues and what'll be going on with the underbody aero. I just hope it doesn't make servicing a PITA as that's a criticism for the SLR, largely due to having to remove all the underbody panels and loads of screws having to be removed every time.
Maybe we should be keeping an eye out for some weird looking SLR mules?
HarryW said:
I've ponder this flappy paddle vs manual for a bit.
Strangley Porsche identified a gap in the market and have made the Cayman GT4 manual and sold two years worth of cars in hours when first released. It is being hailed by many as the best of the current Porsches.
It is also comes in at £64k and when combined with the above makes it the most appropriate and direct competitor for the new TVR. I fully expect the new Tiv to spank it though.... IMHO.
Agree on working aircon
GT4 is very good but GT3 is another level altogether and for me this new Tvr has to compete well against a GT3 not a Cayman. Strangley Porsche identified a gap in the market and have made the Cayman GT4 manual and sold two years worth of cars in hours when first released. It is being hailed by many as the best of the current Porsches.
It is also comes in at £64k and when combined with the above makes it the most appropriate and direct competitor for the new TVR. I fully expect the new Tiv to spank it though.... IMHO.
Agree on working aircon
Edited by Lotus E300S on Tuesday 29th September 18:49
dvs_dave said:
It's looking very much as though the new TVR will share a lot of its DNA with the McMerc SLR. After all the SLR was a GM project, not allowed to be delivered as he wanted due to Merc's influence. So perhaps the new TVR will incorporate a lot of the lessons learned from that project, and will be closer to being a cut price hardcore SLR than anything else?
F/R layout, flat aero underbody, and side pipes. No other car apart from the SLR has had this configuration before so we should be looking at that for design cues and what'll be going on with the underbody aero. I just hope it doesn't make servicing a PITA as that's a criticism for the SLR, largely due to having to remove all the underbody panels and loads of screws having to be removed every time.
Maybe we should be keeping an eye out for some weird looking SLR mules?
most PH kbw's seem to think the engine is going to be a ford "Voodoo or whatever" derived, but looking at that bit of info, although its GM's development work and not Cosworth's it does make you think...F/R layout, flat aero underbody, and side pipes. No other car apart from the SLR has had this configuration before so we should be looking at that for design cues and what'll be going on with the underbody aero. I just hope it doesn't make servicing a PITA as that's a criticism for the SLR, largely due to having to remove all the underbody panels and loads of screws having to be removed every time.
Maybe we should be keeping an eye out for some weird looking SLR mules?
Lotus E300S said:
HarryW said:
I've ponder this flappy paddle vs manual for a bit.
Strangley Porsche identified a gap in the market and have made the Cayman GT4 manual and sold two years worth of cars in hours when first released. It is being hailed by many as the best of the current Porsches.
It is also comes in at £64k and when combined with the above makes it the most appropriate and direct competitor for the new TVR. I fully expect the new Tiv to spank it though.... IMHO.
Agree on working aircon
GT4 is very good but GT3 is another level altogether.Strangley Porsche identified a gap in the market and have made the Cayman GT4 manual and sold two years worth of cars in hours when first released. It is being hailed by many as the best of the current Porsches.
It is also comes in at £64k and when combined with the above makes it the most appropriate and direct competitor for the new TVR. I fully expect the new Tiv to spank it though.... IMHO.
Agree on working aircon
HarryW said:
Lotus E300S said:
HarryW said:
I've ponder this flappy paddle vs manual for a bit.
Strangley Porsche identified a gap in the market and have made the Cayman GT4 manual and sold two years worth of cars in hours when first released. It is being hailed by many as the best of the current Porsches.
It is also comes in at £64k and when combined with the above makes it the most appropriate and direct competitor for the new TVR. I fully expect the new Tiv to spank it though.... IMHO.
Agree on working aircon
GT4 is very good but GT3 is another level altogether.Strangley Porsche identified a gap in the market and have made the Cayman GT4 manual and sold two years worth of cars in hours when first released. It is being hailed by many as the best of the current Porsches.
It is also comes in at £64k and when combined with the above makes it the most appropriate and direct competitor for the new TVR. I fully expect the new Tiv to spank it though.... IMHO.
Agree on working aircon
So until the official renderings are released, I think the SLR is a pretty good model as to the proportions of the car and the fundamental layout of it. There's only so many ways you can package a 2 door coupe with a front-mid engine V8 and side pipes.
Here is what I'm expecting to see with respect to the underside aero:
Rear lower half of car with functional diffuser:
Engine layout:
Looking forward to the technical aspects of the car for sure!
Here is what I'm expecting to see with respect to the underside aero:
Rear lower half of car with functional diffuser:
Engine layout:
Looking forward to the technical aspects of the car for sure!
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