NEW TVR ANNOUNCEMENT
Discussion
Byker28i said:
Is the air intake on the merc a forced air system behind the badge?
Yes it's a blown V8, which is probably why they can package such a tight exhaust and small manifold runners. For the new NA V8 in the TVR I think they will have to package a more scavenger friendly manifold and exhaust system, probably utilising the tried and test sweep it forward first arrangement we all know.Mark A S said:
As an Ex TVR owner and a customer of Dom, TVR power, powers performance etc etc etc I am Very surprised and somewhat disappointed with “TVR’s” attitude towards Dom and his business.
I know Dom reasonably well and his spot on business ethics. Having been in the “industry” in the past, i find the lack of basic intelligence shown alarming.
I’ll explain, the New TVR will require specialists to look after the new cars, like a Dealer but being TVR more specialist than your average type dealer. So, why not upgrade the existing TVR specialists, which Dom and his business is surely the Top one in the UK, to help look after the new cars? It makes sound sense and helps keep the lineage from old TVR to new TVR, as like all well respected marques, the history greatly helps sell the new.
It’s none of my business of course, just my thoughts. IMO, the new spec TVR sounds great, having a well-known existing TVR specialist look after it / supply it etc makes complete sense to me.
It's all to do with money. I expect that you have to give some kind of guarantees and money to become part of the TVR Network. Some big TVR dealers may have put pressure on TVR, to favour or not other dealers in the network. How knows.I know Dom reasonably well and his spot on business ethics. Having been in the “industry” in the past, i find the lack of basic intelligence shown alarming.
I’ll explain, the New TVR will require specialists to look after the new cars, like a Dealer but being TVR more specialist than your average type dealer. So, why not upgrade the existing TVR specialists, which Dom and his business is surely the Top one in the UK, to help look after the new cars? It makes sound sense and helps keep the lineage from old TVR to new TVR, as like all well respected marques, the history greatly helps sell the new.
It’s none of my business of course, just my thoughts. IMO, the new spec TVR sounds great, having a well-known existing TVR specialist look after it / supply it etc makes complete sense to me.
TopVpowerRoadste said:
Mark A S said:
As an Ex TVR owner and a customer of Dom, TVR power, powers performance etc etc etc I am Very surprised and somewhat disappointed with “TVR’s” attitude towards Dom and his business.
I know Dom reasonably well and his spot on business ethics. Having been in the “industry” in the past, i find the lack of basic intelligence shown alarming.
I’ll explain, the New TVR will require specialists to look after the new cars, like a Dealer but being TVR more specialist than your average type dealer. So, why not upgrade the existing TVR specialists, which Dom and his business is surely the Top one in the UK, to help look after the new cars? It makes sound sense and helps keep the lineage from old TVR to new TVR, as like all well respected marques, the history greatly helps sell the new.
It’s none of my business of course, just my thoughts. IMO, the new spec TVR sounds great, having a well-known existing TVR specialist look after it / supply it etc makes complete sense to me.
It's all to do with money. I expect that you have to give some kind of guarantees and money to become part of the TVR Network. Some big TVR dealers may have put pressure on TVR, to favour or not other dealers in the network. How knows.I know Dom reasonably well and his spot on business ethics. Having been in the “industry” in the past, i find the lack of basic intelligence shown alarming.
I’ll explain, the New TVR will require specialists to look after the new cars, like a Dealer but being TVR more specialist than your average type dealer. So, why not upgrade the existing TVR specialists, which Dom and his business is surely the Top one in the UK, to help look after the new cars? It makes sound sense and helps keep the lineage from old TVR to new TVR, as like all well respected marques, the history greatly helps sell the new.
It’s none of my business of course, just my thoughts. IMO, the new spec TVR sounds great, having a well-known existing TVR specialist look after it / supply it etc makes complete sense to me.
I wish TVR all the best with their plans for the future. We've agreed to disagree but as things evolve things may change. In the mean time we already have two customers delivering their new car to us for independent developments and we will continue to improve on the base TVR.
Dom
Tvr Power said:
Its a real shame Power couldn't be partners With TVR but when Mr Edgar tells me I can no longer sell parts, I have to buy from TVR Parts Ltd and pay a licence fee to continue as we have been for 20 years, with true heritage & quality parts we have to step aside.
I wish TVR all the best with their plans for the future. We've agreed to disagree but as things evolve things may change. In the mean time we already have two customers delivering their new car to us for independent developments and we will continue to improve on the base TVR.
Dom
So they've forced you to stop selling parts for TVRs? I don't think that is the case at all. I wish TVR all the best with their plans for the future. We've agreed to disagree but as things evolve things may change. In the mean time we already have two customers delivering their new car to us for independent developments and we will continue to improve on the base TVR.
Dom
They've said that vendors in their network can only use approved parts from Heritage but there is nothing to stop you doing what you are currently doing or to expand it. You just can't claim the parts you sell are approved.
Owners are free to have their cars services and parts supplied by Power just as before. And as you point out, you plan to sell upgrades for the new ones.
Tvr Power said:
Its a real shame Power couldn't be partners With TVR but when Mr Edgar tells me I can no longer sell parts, I have to buy from TVR Parts Ltd and pay a licence fee to continue as we have been for 20 years, with true heritage & quality parts we have to step aside.
I wish TVR all the best with their plans for the future. We've agreed to disagree but as things evolve things may change. In the mean time we already have two customers delivering their new car to us for independent developments and we will continue to improve on the base TVR.
Dom
Such a shame as right up till now it seems everything Mr Edgar was doing was a good thing. But this is definitely a bad thing in my book. I wish TVR all the best with their plans for the future. We've agreed to disagree but as things evolve things may change. In the mean time we already have two customers delivering their new car to us for independent developments and we will continue to improve on the base TVR.
Dom
I will continue to buy as much stuff as possible through Power as i always have.
DonkeyApple said:
Tvr Power said:
Its a real shame Power couldn't be partners With TVR but when Mr Edgar tells me I can no longer sell parts, I have to buy from TVR Parts Ltd and pay a licence fee to continue as we have been for 20 years, with true heritage & quality parts we have to step aside.
I wish TVR all the best with their plans for the future. We've agreed to disagree but as things evolve things may change. In the mean time we already have two customers delivering their new car to us for independent developments and we will continue to improve on the base TVR.
Dom
So they've forced you to stop selling parts for TVRs? I don't think that is the case at all. I wish TVR all the best with their plans for the future. We've agreed to disagree but as things evolve things may change. In the mean time we already have two customers delivering their new car to us for independent developments and we will continue to improve on the base TVR.
Dom
They've said that vendors in their network can only use approved parts from Heritage but there is nothing to stop you doing what you are currently doing or to expand it. You just can't claim the parts you sell are approved.
Owners are free to have their cars services and parts supplied by Power just as before. And as you point out, you plan to sell upgrades for the new ones.
lets hope this clears matters up
Dom
DonkeyApple said:
Exactly. But it doesn't stop anyone from selling parts. Just stops them claiming they're that brand, represent that brand or are endorsed by that brand.
I don't think it matters whether Heritage was formed around RG Parts or Powers Performance, what matters is that it is pulled together under the new TVR and that they sanction and back the parts as well as support and build a regional network.
It's pretty obvious that an entity within the Heritage group can't source parts from elsewhere. It's not a slight on Power but to do with the risk of a Heritage member sourcing unsuitable parts that may fail and tarnish the brand reputation.
And with Power outside of this network they remain completely free to continue doing what they've been doing for years and clearly very well and to many peoples' benefit. They just can't continue to make out that they are associated with TVR in any specific way.
I would have thought that having a standalone and proven entity like Powers Performance alongside TVR Heritage would benefit all of us as competition is good.
Plus, smaller garages who haven't the capacity to become members of the Heritage network will have a supplier that they can work with independently.
Agreed, similar to any other car network...I don't think it matters whether Heritage was formed around RG Parts or Powers Performance, what matters is that it is pulled together under the new TVR and that they sanction and back the parts as well as support and build a regional network.
It's pretty obvious that an entity within the Heritage group can't source parts from elsewhere. It's not a slight on Power but to do with the risk of a Heritage member sourcing unsuitable parts that may fail and tarnish the brand reputation.
And with Power outside of this network they remain completely free to continue doing what they've been doing for years and clearly very well and to many peoples' benefit. They just can't continue to make out that they are associated with TVR in any specific way.
I would have thought that having a standalone and proven entity like Powers Performance alongside TVR Heritage would benefit all of us as competition is good.
Plus, smaller garages who haven't the capacity to become members of the Heritage network will have a supplier that they can work with independently.
I can go to BMW and buy a part or I can go to EuroCarParts or the like and get an OEM / Pattern part (which may or may not be better than the one from BMW).
The same with servicing I can get a bmw dealership to service my car and use their parts or I can take it to an independent and use whatever parts they see fit.
m4tti said:
Precisely... Powers performance could diversify into anything now... The new car will have nothing to do with legacy tvr. In fact they maybe better off extended their portfolio to other brands under the performance banner.
Lotus on target for selling 3000 cars this year. That's 3000 people who need a proper engine fitted. And 3000 minicab owners who want their engine back. 
in regards of the endless discussion with selling parts and not allowed to sell
parts maybe facts should be put straight here.
TVR trademark owner = Mr. Les or his company.
any party that uses this trademark needs the approval of the trademark owner
or it can be verified that the trademark had been used before registration of
such so it can be used without approval.
take a look here : https://www.gov.uk/search-for-trademark
All current trademarks are registered to :
TVR Automotive Limited
Wentworth House, 4400 Parkway,
Whiteley, Hampshire, United Kingdom,
PO15 7FJ
even the name TVR Power is owned by the same party.
So if anybody is selling parts labeld with TVR or is using
the brand name in non authorized manner it can be seen
as a trademark violation that can be costly.
As for the parts discussion i dont get the fuzz.
If you want to sell parts do so. there is no problem
as long as TVR is not printed on them. you can even sell
used parts with TVR stamped on it without authorisation.
from the legal side no problem at all. if every seller
of parts e.g. VW would be authorised
what they do is
selling parts without brand on them so how many parts you have
seen with TVR stamped on it ? i try to remember but in my chimaera
or T350 cant remember any.
in case of TVR Power and the name as such it can be problematic
as the name itself legaly could open up a can of worms as it is
registered and owned by the party mentioned above.
parts maybe facts should be put straight here.
TVR trademark owner = Mr. Les or his company.
any party that uses this trademark needs the approval of the trademark owner
or it can be verified that the trademark had been used before registration of
such so it can be used without approval.
take a look here : https://www.gov.uk/search-for-trademark
All current trademarks are registered to :
TVR Automotive Limited
Wentworth House, 4400 Parkway,
Whiteley, Hampshire, United Kingdom,
PO15 7FJ
even the name TVR Power is owned by the same party.
So if anybody is selling parts labeld with TVR or is using
the brand name in non authorized manner it can be seen
as a trademark violation that can be costly.
As for the parts discussion i dont get the fuzz.
If you want to sell parts do so. there is no problem
as long as TVR is not printed on them. you can even sell
used parts with TVR stamped on it without authorisation.
from the legal side no problem at all. if every seller
of parts e.g. VW would be authorised
what they do is selling parts without brand on them so how many parts you have
seen with TVR stamped on it ? i try to remember but in my chimaera
or T350 cant remember any.
in case of TVR Power and the name as such it can be problematic
as the name itself legaly could open up a can of worms as it is
registered and owned by the party mentioned above.
Reliability killed the old Tvr brand. Even now we suffer from the label that TVRs are so unreliable, so you can see why the new Tvr want to control what could be seen as a possible issue. But I still see there's opportunities for the maverick genius, it's inherent in the British genre, that inventiveness, the mad professor coming up with brilliance. What would go more with a very British car.
Could be a marketing exercise? After all I have Steve Heath drop links, act exhaust etc, I can't see any reason why the consumer can't have a choice of which supplier. Dom has a reputation for quality and innovation and possibly a new incentive. Could be interesting times ahead.
At the talk on Saturday, les did say that the factory would look after the new cars only. Support for the old cars would be through the existing independents, who after a while would also look after the new cars. I doubt everything is set In stone forever. Things will change as the brand is reinvigorated
Could be a marketing exercise? After all I have Steve Heath drop links, act exhaust etc, I can't see any reason why the consumer can't have a choice of which supplier. Dom has a reputation for quality and innovation and possibly a new incentive. Could be interesting times ahead.
At the talk on Saturday, les did say that the factory would look after the new cars only. Support for the old cars would be through the existing independents, who after a while would also look after the new cars. I doubt everything is set In stone forever. Things will change as the brand is reinvigorated
DonkeyApple said:
Exactly. But it doesn't stop anyone from selling parts. Just stops them claiming they're that brand, represent that brand or are endorsed by that brand.
I don't think it matters whether Heritage was formed around RG Parts or Powers Performance, what matters is that it is pulled together under the new TVR and that they sanction and back the parts as well as support and build a regional network.
It's pretty obvious that an entity within the Heritage group can't source parts from elsewhere. It's not a slight on Power but to do with the risk of a Heritage member sourcing unsuitable parts that may fail and tarnish the brand reputation.
And with Power outside of this network they remain completely free to continue doing what they've been doing for years and clearly very well and to many peoples' benefit. They just can't continue to make out that they are associated with TVR in any specific way.
I would have thought that having a standalone and proven entity like Powers Performance alongside TVR Heritage would benefit all of us as competition is good.
Plus, smaller garages who haven't the capacity to become members of the Heritage network will have a supplier that they can work with independently.
100% agree with this. IMO this is the best outcome. TVR have control over their official parts supply. Powers Performance continues as an autonomous entity able to continue without interference. Healthy competition in terms of price and quality can only be good for us the customer. Dom has a great reputation so I really don't think he has anything to be worried about, infact I am sure the publicity surrounding Powers Performance not joining the TVR network has actually done them a favour.I don't think it matters whether Heritage was formed around RG Parts or Powers Performance, what matters is that it is pulled together under the new TVR and that they sanction and back the parts as well as support and build a regional network.
It's pretty obvious that an entity within the Heritage group can't source parts from elsewhere. It's not a slight on Power but to do with the risk of a Heritage member sourcing unsuitable parts that may fail and tarnish the brand reputation.
And with Power outside of this network they remain completely free to continue doing what they've been doing for years and clearly very well and to many peoples' benefit. They just can't continue to make out that they are associated with TVR in any specific way.
I would have thought that having a standalone and proven entity like Powers Performance alongside TVR Heritage would benefit all of us as competition is good.
Plus, smaller garages who haven't the capacity to become members of the Heritage network will have a supplier that they can work with independently.
MPoxon said:
DonkeyApple said:
Exactly. But it doesn't stop anyone from selling parts. Just stops them claiming they're that brand, represent that brand or are endorsed by that brand.
I don't think it matters whether Heritage was formed around RG Parts or Powers Performance, what matters is that it is pulled together under the new TVR and that they sanction and back the parts as well as support and build a regional network.
It's pretty obvious that an entity within the Heritage group can't source parts from elsewhere. It's not a slight on Power but to do with the risk of a Heritage member sourcing unsuitable parts that may fail and tarnish the brand reputation.
And with Power outside of this network they remain completely free to continue doing what they've been doing for years and clearly very well and to many peoples' benefit. They just can't continue to make out that they are associated with TVR in any specific way.
I would have thought that having a standalone and proven entity like Powers Performance alongside TVR Heritage would benefit all of us as competition is good.
Plus, smaller garages who haven't the capacity to become members of the Heritage network will have a supplier that they can work with independently.
100% agree with this. IMO this is the best outcome. TVR have control over their official parts supply. Powers Performance continues as an autonomous entity able to continue without interference. Healthy competition in terms of price and quality can only be good for us the customer. Dom has a great reputation so I really don't think he has anything to be worried about, infact I am sure the publicity surrounding Powers Performance not joining the TVR network has actually done them a favour.I don't think it matters whether Heritage was formed around RG Parts or Powers Performance, what matters is that it is pulled together under the new TVR and that they sanction and back the parts as well as support and build a regional network.
It's pretty obvious that an entity within the Heritage group can't source parts from elsewhere. It's not a slight on Power but to do with the risk of a Heritage member sourcing unsuitable parts that may fail and tarnish the brand reputation.
And with Power outside of this network they remain completely free to continue doing what they've been doing for years and clearly very well and to many peoples' benefit. They just can't continue to make out that they are associated with TVR in any specific way.
I would have thought that having a standalone and proven entity like Powers Performance alongside TVR Heritage would benefit all of us as competition is good.
Plus, smaller garages who haven't the capacity to become members of the Heritage network will have a supplier that they can work with independently.
Roll on 2017. Love the idea of Cerbera running gear prototypes running around, or SLR mules!!
Also, great pictures posted below Dave......I agree, similar thoughts. The more I hear about the 'new' TVR, it just gets even more exciting. I can't wait to see more.
dvs_dave said:
So until the official renderings are released, I think the SLR is a pretty good model as to the proportions of the car and the fundamental layout of it. There's only so many ways you can package a 2 door coupe with a front-mid engine V8 and side pipes.
Here is what I'm expecting to see with respect to the underside aero:
Rear lower half of car with functional diffuser:
Engine layout:
Looking forward to the technical aspects of the car for sure!
Here is what I'm expecting to see with respect to the underside aero:
Rear lower half of car with functional diffuser:
Engine layout:
Looking forward to the technical aspects of the car for sure!
Moycie said:
The more I hear about the 'new' TVR, it just gets even more exciting. I can't wait to see more.
I will probably get shot for this but i was at Neil Garners and i saw a bit of paper fall out of Mr Edgar's pocket...At first i thought..."Touch...£50 note" but then to my horror i saw these....
There was a short paragraph which i cannot legally post that agreed that these are definitely going to be the base models....
Apparently there is a self scraping system linked to a TVR recovery service...We all know how the air turns blue when our P&J's breakdown at the most inconvenient moment so to avoid customer dissatisfaction there is a system in place, Mainly configured by the Koreans as part of the "Reliability" factor of the new cars integrated electrics/Magnetics...There is a "Nano-bot" which is linked to an "Emergency button" that once pressed signals the recovery team...An alarm will sound and the bot will turn the car into a pile of grey goo...The recovery vehicle will turn up..Collect the mush...And deliver you a brand spanking new car..Surrounded by scantily clad babes whilst harps play angelic music and the scent of maidens musk and strawberries fills the air...
.....I think i will get the bus......
Seriously though every time i hear an AMG on full chat i just think TVR.......As long as the new cars look like a demented mythical beast snarling and roaring like the devil with a guts ache then they will be on to a winner...As for "Reliability" well that is not cheap and to be fair everything breaks down sooner or later its just how its dealt with that matters...Customer service has to be 100%...And customer assurance must be 101%...
Personally i think this could be a very exciting time for TVR and in the history of TVR...Hopefully the new TVR experience will be truly uplifting, I really hope it goes forward with great strengths.
If i had any concerns then i would think it would be that its the first time that the person at the top has a mountain of money to invest but would it fold if it lost a penny?...
The passion came from people who believed in the concept enough to plough every last penny they could find in to it...Parts of their soul are embedded into our cars..I may only drive a "Lesser model" Wedge in some peoples eyes but i love it..I spend every penny i have on it which is a battle sometimes especially with NO income!.....I devote my time to helping those who own them even as far as sending parts.. (Normally just for the postage) that i have purchased for mine just to help a fellow Wedger out..I organise national events and meetings to raise money for needy causes...And have defended the TVR name to the hilt, Once against PCP magazine which was quite entertaining....Some friends say that I'm "Obsessed" by TVR but the truth is i owe it to them for helping me recover from a long term illness..(A VERY long story)..And for that i will always be thankful .
My Wedge makes me feel special and proud to be British...Yes it represents the mid 1980's which was in truth a very sad time for many in British history but it also represented time of moving forward...And instilling the belief in us that life was on the up and everything would be okay....We were encouraged to feel proud of who we were...The realisation is that its just another calm before another storm but it teaches you to be stronger.
Mr E is a brave man taking on a hand built British sports car marque that has suffered the onslaught of automotive abuse for far too many years...If it succeeds then a phoenix will most certainly rise from the ashes.
Perhaps another part of the new TVR could be to offer a range of enhancements to existing cars....Say from body styling like the recent debate about the Cerbera with flared wheel arches...To engine swaps....This is of course is a personal choice and people should have choice, Even if they choose to go their own route.
I did think about flared wheel arches on my Wedge...But thats about as far as it went...
Anyway thank for reading my post and just to clarify i wasn't really at Neil garners and if i was and saw a piece of paper fall out of Mr Edgar's pocket then i would of politely said.."Excuse me ..You dropped this".....So i for one wish Mr Edgar great success with the NEW TVR.....
Long live TVR...Viva la Wedge...
Ziga
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