AutoCar - New TVR V8 first dyno test

[m4tti]

DonkeyApple said:

I understand and agree. But personally I can't even begin to fathom why anyone would buy an R8. It's a tt wagon.

As for Porsche, I'm not in my 20's, someone's wife or a middle office clerical worker so non of their sportscar products have any appeal to me.

And my serviette rests on my lap when I eat so I'm wholly unsuitable for a Ferrari.

If I want a Merc I'll log in to Uber.

I'm too young for an Aston or Jag. But sensible choices for pensioners.

And I've had more than one girlfriend and non of them looked like Pug from the Beano so that rules out Lotus.

Of course, there will be people who only bought TVRs because they couldn't afford what they really wanted so at the £80k+ level some people may prefer to drive a Minicab or a knackered Monaco tt Cabinet but hopefully there will be enough people who look at the new TVR and choose that. Personally I think it is going to all ride on how it looks as what's under that skin seems to be well under control. I don't see an issue with the Ford engine. The marketing will be all Cosworth. If it had been an LS then I'd agree with you that they'd never sell them anywhere near that price or in numbers but both Ford and Cosworth have very serious and long standing British and global Motorsport pedigrees.

And seeing as some of those diesel utility boxes that Leslie from Accounts clog up our roads with cost more than £80k then clearly it's just not a lot of money once it's all nearly packed into weekly installments by BriteHouse.

Edited by DonkeyApple on Monday 12th October 07:54

Garçon get the coyote I'm alll spent

[anonymous-user]

m4tti said:

DonkeyApple said:

I understand and agree. But personally I can't even begin to fathom why anyone would buy an R8. It's a tt wagon.

As for Porsche, I'm not in my 20's, someone's wife or a middle office clerical worker so non of their sportscar products have any appeal to me.

And my serviette rests on my lap when I eat so I'm wholly unsuitable for a Ferrari.

If I want a Merc I'll log in to Uber.

I'm too young for an Aston or Jag. But sensible choices for pensioners.

And I've had more than one girlfriend and non of them looked like Pug from the Beano so that rules out Lotus.

Of course, there will be people who only bought TVRs because they couldn't afford what they really wanted so at the £80k+ level some people may prefer to drive a Minicab or a knackered Monaco tt Cabinet but hopefully there will be enough people who look at the new TVR and choose that. Personally I think it is going to all ride on how it looks as what's under that skin seems to be well under control. I don't see an issue with the Ford engine. The marketing will be all Cosworth. If it had been an LS then I'd agree with you that they'd never sell them anywhere near that price or in numbers but both Ford and Cosworth have very serious and long standing British and global Motorsport pedigrees.

And seeing as some of those diesel utility boxes that Leslie from Accounts clog up our roads with cost more than £80k then clearly it's just not a lot of money once it's all nearly packed into weekly installments by BriteHouse.

Edited by DonkeyApple on Monday 12th October 07:54

Garçon get the coyote I'm alll spent

Just as well TVR existed for you then as you'd never have bought a sports car DonkeyApple.

You being so fussy, how will you know the new TVR branded sports car (I wont call it a TVR) is for you and isn't just as much of a write off as so many of the accomplished vehicles you list - stands one hell of a good chance given your comments on the rest of the market place.

[Gazzab]

Thanks Donkeyapple - I have borrowed your 'serviette' statement this morning in response to a friends facebook comments re my cerbera (he runs a ferrari garage).

[m4tti]

Gazzab said:

Thanks Donkeyapple - I have borrowed your 'serviette' statement this morning in response to a friends facebook comments re my cerbera (he runs a ferrari garage).

It really went like this...




"Girls, when he drops by look amused when he tells the serviette joke. He won't stay long. You've got to feel sorry for him in that plastic car, that square transmission tunnel makes it feel like a coffin. Cristal anyone?"

[DonkeyApple]

TVRMs said:

m4tti said:

DonkeyApple said:

I understand and agree. But personally I can't even begin to fathom why anyone would buy an R8. It's a tt wagon.

As for Porsche, I'm not in my 20's, someone's wife or a middle office clerical worker so non of their sportscar products have any appeal to me.

And my serviette rests on my lap when I eat so I'm wholly unsuitable for a Ferrari.

If I want a Merc I'll log in to Uber.

I'm too young for an Aston or Jag. But sensible choices for pensioners.

And I've had more than one girlfriend and non of them looked like Pug from the Beano so that rules out Lotus.

Of course, there will be people who only bought TVRs because they couldn't afford what they really wanted so at the £80k+ level some people may prefer to drive a Minicab or a knackered Monaco tt Cabinet but hopefully there will be enough people who look at the new TVR and choose that. Personally I think it is going to all ride on how it looks as what's under that skin seems to be well under control. I don't see an issue with the Ford engine. The marketing will be all Cosworth. If it had been an LS then I'd agree with you that they'd never sell them anywhere near that price or in numbers but both Ford and Cosworth have very serious and long standing British and global Motorsport pedigrees.

And seeing as some of those diesel utility boxes that Leslie from Accounts clog up our roads with cost more than £80k then clearly it's just not a lot of money once it's all nearly packed into weekly installments by BriteHouse.

Edited by DonkeyApple on Monday 12th October 07:54

Garçon get the coyote I'm alll spent

Just as well TVR existed for you then as you'd never have bought a sports car DonkeyApple.

You being so fussy, how will you know the new TVR branded sports car (I wont call it a TVR) is for you and isn't just as much of a write off as so many of the accomplished vehicles you list - stands one hell of a good chance given your comments on the rest of the market place.

It's not being fussy, it's simply knowing what you want from your luxury purchase. I am very much someone who gets more joy from going without if going with means not having what you actually want.

If the new TVR is full of irritating and completely unecassary switchgear and if driving at 50mph sends you to sleep as it does with all the mass produced stuff then I wouldn't have any interest. Using the information that has been put out by the company to date, it does sound like it'll be an interesting, fun and unusual car but obviously we won't know until we see it and then drive it.

When I was 30 I found myself mortgage free and in a position to buy any of the mainstream sportscars I wanted. That was when I learned that I didn't want them and that my old Griff was still the car that I wanted. I'm very happy to believe that I'm in the minority but at the same time im certainly not alone.

[julianc]

TVRMs said:

What makes a TVR a TVR? In this case, it's a badge, nothing else.

I' m a TVR fan that's been around the marque for a while and even owned a few, but nothing about this new car and its forecast arrival stirs emotion and its that lack of emotion that makes me feel so cynical about the whole circus.

Am I alone??

Deflated of Yorkshire.

You're not alone. TVR for me is a Blackpool Rocket. We visited the factory several times during the build of our Tamora, and I can remember now the emotion and goosebumps during those visits. As good as the new cars may be, this is not an evolution of the marque that continues its history: this is a revolution, starting almost from a blank sheet of paper, and you could stick a Marcos (or anything else) badge on the new cars and I would still not have the emotion I felt visiting the factory. No doubt I will look at the new cars, admire them, have a smile on my face because I'm a petrolhead and fed up with Euroboxes, but the new TVR won't stir my emotion as much as the old TVRs.

[JonRB]

Tvr Power said:

Vixpy1 said:

Not really, its cosworth which means the management will probably be Cosworth Electronics (well, Pectel) which will be locked. Which basically means all aftermarket tuning is out.

There's always ways and means in the tuning world, watch this space

Dom

You feel the need to tell that to the Managing Director of Syvecs Ltd.?

[anonymous-user]

DonkeyApple said:

That was when I learned that I didn't want them and that my old Griff was still the car that I wanted. I'm very happy to believe that I'm in the minority but at the same time im certainly not alone.

I can confirm that you're not alone..

[V8 GRF]

Ah TVR is back, just like we discussed ad-infinitum over the last 10 years and when it finally happens so much positivity......

[Munter]

so called said:

Will swapping the flashy Blackpool image

Can I just clarify. You do realise that Blackpools image is of a run down dump full of old chip wrappers, cold, rain, chavs, bad old hotels, immigration and general shabbiness. You were using the "flashy" to mean old man with a gold medallion. Not flashy as in nice watch, sharp suit, and the latest Ferrari. Right?

As someone not totally invested in the brand, the only places worse it could come from would be Glasgow or Bradford. Not being made in Blackpool is a boost to the brands image from over here.

[leerdam23]

"Build it and they will come....."

[macdeb]

V8 GRF said:

Ah TVR is back, just like we discussed ad-infinitum over the last 10 years and when it finally happens so much positivity......

sometimes this place

[Gazzab]

Not sure I can see much negativity. The swell of enthusiasm will be seen when the pics of the car are available.

[R7EBO]

Why oh why are people still comparing the price against 458's, GT-R's, Porka's, R8's etc etc etc??? This really gets on my wick. Firstly, my favourite car is a Sag. Not because I'm a Tiv owner, I loved the thing WAY before I even dreamed of owning a TVR because, well just look at it! Still to this day there is nothing that even comes close - IMO. Yet as a prime example, as I reached the bottom of the page reading all the comments, there's an advert for a 4.7 V8 Maserati GranTurismo at £56k and a Range Rover at £65k - both of which are arguably in the 'competing' price range of Sagaris. The Maserati at the very cheap end even. Both of these cars are probably much better, much more well equipped and more practical, but would I choose one over the Sag? Don't make me laugh! Go and pour bleach in your mouth and set fire to your genitals just for suggesting such a thing.

There are MANY other cars which are faster, more reliable, more practical and just generally a much more sensible choice but that is my preference, and therefore if I had £60k going spare I would look at nothing else. So who gives a flying £*&% if an R8 makes more sense?? If that's your way of thinking then why go buy a burger when you can buy a salad & some fruit for the same price that has many greater nutritional properties?? Because I WANT A BURGER (TVR)!! Poke your salad & fruit medley (R8, GT-R etc) right up your tea-towel holder, it's not for me and I don't want it.

Does anyone actually feel any excitement at all when they see an R8, a GT-R or Porsches? Whilst I appreciate that they are very good incredibly 'capable' machines, they just do not even raise an eyebrow with me, let alone anything else!

At the end of the day we're all different and all have reasons for our preferences and we all like to think we are right. And as 'they' say, the world would be very dull if we were all the same, so please can we stop the comparisons now?? And yes I see the irony in that with some of what I have written above!

If the new car(s) look good then they will sell. They are low volume - for now at least - so I don't think there will be issues with shifting units in the slightest. Also I do think a lot of people will soon be fed up of all the electronic gadgets and gizmo's offered in Fezza's and the like and so the pull of bare-nuts, bare-chested drivers cars will soon be on the increase, which at least leaves us lot in a good position! Hopefully the new car will follow suit (regulations permitted) and be as bonkers as our aging relics of the TVR we used to know...

[Byker28i]

julianc said:

You're not alone. TVR for me is a Blackpool Rocket. We visited the factory several times during the build of our Tamora, and I can remember now the emotion and goosebumps during those visits. As good as the new cars may be, this is not an evolution of the marque that continues its history: this is a revolution, starting almost from a blank sheet of paper, and you could stick a Marcos (or anything else) badge on the new cars and I would still not have the emotion I felt visiting the factory. No doubt I will look at the new cars, admire them, have a smile on my face because I'm a petrolhead and fed up with Euroboxes, but the new TVR won't stir my emotion as much as the old TVRs.

Go back a few years i bet the same was said when the speed 6 models came out, tuscan, sagaris etc,
Probably had the dsame said when the wedges cames out, in fact probably the same old moaners saying "Ergh change, it's not like the old one I have...!" every time there was a change.

[Tvr Power]

Byker28i said:

julianc said:

You're not alone. TVR for me is a Blackpool Rocket. We visited the factory several times during the build of our Tamora, and I can remember now the emotion and goosebumps during those visits. As good as the new cars may be, this is not an evolution of the marque that continues its history: this is a revolution, starting almost from a blank sheet of paper, and you could stick a Marcos (or anything else) badge on the new cars and I would still not have the emotion I felt visiting the factory. No doubt I will look at the new cars, admire them, have a smile on my face because I'm a petrolhead and fed up with Euroboxes, but the new TVR won't stir my emotion as much as the old TVRs.

Go back a few years i bet the same was said when the speed 6 models came out, tuscan, sagaris etc,
Probably had the dsame said when the wedges cames out, in fact probably the same old moaners saying "Ergh change, it's not like the old one I have...!" every time there was a change.

Drop the saying DNA Tvr and go and build a proper monster "SuperCar Tvr" , The market out there to be taken

Dom

[anonymous-user]

Byker28i said:

julianc said:

You're not alone. TVR for me is a Blackpool Rocket. We visited the factory several times during the build of our Tamora, and I can remember now the emotion and goosebumps during those visits. As good as the new cars may be, this is not an evolution of the marque that continues its history: this is a revolution, starting almost from a blank sheet of paper, and you could stick a Marcos (or anything else) badge on the new cars and I would still not have the emotion I felt visiting the factory. No doubt I will look at the new cars, admire them, have a smile on my face because I'm a petrolhead and fed up with Euroboxes, but the new TVR won't stir my emotion as much as the old TVRs.

Go back a few years i bet the same was said when the speed 6 models came out, tuscan, sagaris etc,
Probably had the dsame said when the wedges cames out, in fact probably the same old moaners saying "Ergh change, it's not like the old one I have...!" every time there was a change.

I've yet to say anything positive about this branding excercuse, but I don't fit the same old moaners category.

Would you like me to spin your post and maybe start a discussion around the folk that sang praise of the real TVRs but spent nowt on new cars?

Edited by anonymous-user on Monday 12th October 21:38

[harry henderson]

There's no doubt that the new TVR is going to be a great car. With names like Cosworth and Murray involved they are bound to be on to a winner. Is it really a TVR though, or is it more like the BMW Mini v the original Mini with a new owner of a badge riding on the success of an established brand. No one on here would be talking about this new car if they hadn't bought the TVR name, let alone put a deposit on a car they have never seen.
Thinking about though, could someone buy yellow one, keep the mileage low and really look after it and in 20yrs time I might be able to buy it.

[Transmitter Man]

Locked ECU or not I'm sure it'll not be too long until third party tuners come out to play: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-NZIOIhUiU

Phil

[DonkeyApple]

Transmitter Man said:

Locked ECU or not I'm sure it'll not be too long until third party tuners come out to play: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-NZIOIhUiU

Phil

I'm sure anything can be broken into etc if there is enough profit to justify it etc.

But if TVR are selling a few hundred cars a year and those cars are under warranty for a year or two and if the factory offers upgrades also then just how many owners will there be who will want third party upgrades and how much cheaper will those upgrades have to be to compete?

Maybe in years to come when the second or third owners of the cars have paid a third of the original price for them they will look for cheaper or more extreme tuning options aaa from the factory?

If TVR are selling say 250 cars a year and offer their own upgrades just how many buyers of £70k+ brand new cars are going to ditch their factory warranty when the factory will offer upgrades?

Someone mentioned that the aftermarket tuner would simply offer to replace the factory warranty with their own. Even if a few people were swung by that would those using finance be able to willingly void the factory warranty? I don't know how the finance works but I would have thought that as the car is the collateral then any act that damages residualsbloke voiding the warranty would be prohibited?

Even if not, which tuner is going to invest in either designing or importing upgrades when the potential customer base is so tiny?

Last time around TVR comprehensively failed to capitalise on the upgrades revenue and as a result, tuners had a free run at the market with absolutely no competition or argument from the factory. But the upgrades revenue that probably had more profit per car in the end than the actual sale of the car. I suspect their accountants know just how important this secondary income stream will be to the factory and it's network and it will be run very efficiently and protected strongly. It's revenue almost certainly will have formed part of their x year revenue projections.

I think non factory upgrades will only get any modest traction once an awful lot of cars are out of warranty and trading at the kind of prices where tinkerers want in and don't care too much for residuals.