New TVR still under wraps!

[Housey]

What I fear here is we have another hype filled paper car company that's just about there....but never there. I'd LOVE to be proved wrong and the positivity here is admirable but I just don't and can't share it.

[anonymous-user]

Is that the start of a 'gutters are the wrong colour' theory?

[GetCarter]

Housey said:

What I fear here is we have another hype filled paper car company that's just about there....but never there. I'd LOVE to be proved wrong and the positivity here is admirable but I just don't and can't share it.

Last time I asked him, Gordon Murray had 40+ people working on the TVR. I'll let you work out how much money that is costing. It would be madness to spend that money if you didn't think it would make it to market. Surely?

[Housey]

GetCarter said:

Housey said:

What I fear here is we have another hype filled paper car company that's just about there....but never there. I'd LOVE to be proved wrong and the positivity here is admirable but I just don't and can't share it.

Last time I asked him, Gordon Murray had 40+ people working on the TVR. I'll let you work out how much money that is costing. It would be madness to spend that money if you didn't think it would make it to market. Surely?

Many companies start with people and an idea and then run out of investment runway before they get there. Having 40 people, I assume very few of who are employed full time, is not really evidence of anything other than intent and cash burn. Be clear I would love to see something come from this, but frankly some positive mental attitude and confidence from people taking a punt is not something I would base my opinion on. One of us will be right and I actually hope it's you but I just can't see it coming and staying.

[GetCarter]

Housey said:

GetCarter said:

Housey said:

What I fear here is we have another hype filled paper car company that's just about there....but never there. I'd LOVE to be proved wrong and the positivity here is admirable but I just don't and can't share it.

Last time I asked him, Gordon Murray had 40+ people working on the TVR. I'll let you work out how much money that is costing. It would be madness to spend that money if you didn't think it would make it to market. Surely?

Many companies start with people and an idea and then run out of investment runway before they get there. Having 40 people, I assume very few of who are employed full time, is not really evidence of anything other than intent and cash burn. Be clear I would love to see something come from this, but frankly some positive mental attitude and confidence from people taking a punt is not something I would base my opinion on. One of us will be right and I actually hope it's you but I just can't see it coming and staying.

Fair point. However, I don't think you know how much investment has been made into GM design with regard to this project. Not 'few/part time' but 'many/full time' It's BIG time.

I spent this morning with Gordon on his boat and he mentioned that he and GMD has never been so busy.

Edited by GetCarter on Thursday 22 September 17:06

[anonymous-user]

Housey said:

GetCarter said:

Housey said:

What I fear here is we have another hype filled paper car company that's just about there....but never there. I'd LOVE to be proved wrong and the positivity here is admirable but I just don't and can't share it.

Last time I asked him, Gordon Murray had 40+ people working on the TVR. I'll let you work out how much money that is costing. It would be madness to spend that money if you didn't think it would make it to market. Surely?

Many companies start with people and an idea and then run out of investment runway before they get there. Having 40 people, I assume very few of who are employed full time, is not really evidence of anything other than intent and cash burn. Be clear I would love to see something come from this, but frankly some positive mental attitude and confidence from people taking a punt is not something I would base my opinion on. One of us will be right and I actually hope it's you but I just can't see it coming and staying.

Had this discussion at the FOC day at Silverstone today. Investors - not deposit holders - seem very comfortable with the project. Ultimately doubters will always abound but to call it a 'hype filled paper car company' when GMD is steaming ahead, a mule has been shown, and a date for reveal has been set, is odd.

[anonymous-user]

I can't help thinking the doubters will find themselves very wrong. It's bound to happen that people think this way - effectively a new company and all that, so every armchair powerfully built director type will be musing over what they would do differently. It's probably for that reason TVR are keeping it all close and probably more so as time gets nearer as they will know it will build up greater anticipation for the launch.
Good luck to 'em.
I just need to work out what to do with the spare £80k after buying the T350....

[Housey]

thecook101 said:

Housey said:

GetCarter said:

Housey said:

What I fear here is we have another hype filled paper car company that's just about there....but never there. I'd LOVE to be proved wrong and the positivity here is admirable but I just don't and can't share it.

Last time I asked him, Gordon Murray had 40+ people working on the TVR. I'll let you work out how much money that is costing. It would be madness to spend that money if you didn't think it would make it to market. Surely?

Many companies start with people and an idea and then run out of investment runway before they get there. Having 40 people, I assume very few of who are employed full time, is not really evidence of anything other than intent and cash burn. Be clear I would love to see something come from this, but frankly some positive mental attitude and confidence from people taking a punt is not something I would base my opinion on. One of us will be right and I actually hope it's you but I just can't see it coming and staying.

Had this discussion at the FOC day at Silverstone today. Investors - not deposit holders - seem very comfortable with the project. Ultimately doubters will always abound but to call it a 'hype filled paper car company' when GMD is steaming ahead, a mule has been shown, and a date for reveal has been set, is odd.

EVERY new business talks a great game, it's part of the DNA of a start up. I am therefore not taking what people say or do this early at face value. Most new companies fail, in the motor industry virtually all of them. As I say I am not wishing it to fail, it would be epic if it's a massive success, but Gordon Murray talking a great game and investors means little until production and sales. Be fab if they nail it though, proper epic.

[rev-erend]

GetCarter said:

Housey said:

What I fear here is we have another hype filled paper car company that's just about there....but never there. I'd LOVE to be proved wrong and the positivity here is admirable but I just don't and can't share it.

Last time I asked him, Gordon Murray had 40+ people working on the TVR. I'll let you work out how much money that is costing. It would be madness to spend that money if you didn't think it would make it to market. Surely?

Just the one TVR?

I have heard they are working on more that one model .. and not just sports cars.

[GetCarter]

rev-erend said:

GetCarter said:

Housey said:

What I fear here is we have another hype filled paper car company that's just about there....but never there. I'd LOVE to be proved wrong and the positivity here is admirable but I just don't and can't share it.

Last time I asked him, Gordon Murray had 40+ people working on the TVR. I'll let you work out how much money that is costing. It would be madness to spend that money if you didn't think it would make it to market. Surely?

Just the one TVR?

I have heard they are working on more that one model .. and not just sports cars.

Not quite sure what you are saying. He employs about 50 people and most of them are working on the cars he designs, one of which is the TVR. He has the Ox, which is waiting for investment, but needs more design once that comes, the Yamaha - which he's just sold, and several others (undisclosed). Much of GMD time at the moment is spent on the TVR, as they are being paid to do so. I'm sure you don't expect his company to stop working on other cars, just because they are working on the Tiv?

I have absolutely no idea whether the new TVR will be here, great, expensive, flop, or absent. All I can tell you is that GMD is working very hard on it as we speak.

What I would guess (and it's just my guess) is that assuming everything continues as is, that deliveries will not start arriving until the very end of 2017, poss spring 2018. I would add once again that that is my opinion, not GMs.

[bobfather]

Come on, someone with TVRCC membership get that Les Edgar video clip from the TopGear test track on here for us all to see

[Englishman]

It's on utube:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juy1HxoXuzs&fe...

[Jurgen Schmidt]

It's on YouTube:-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juy1HxoXuzs

[Jurgen Schmidt]

Englishman said:

It's on utube:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juy1HxoXuzs&fe...

Snap

[RichB]

This isn't exactly a scoop it's been on P'Heads for over a week now. I was expecting to see the body shape

[Silvernoble883]

I can understand why they have gone V8 but it sounds a bit poo to my ears, I much prefer the sophisticated S6 sound.

[m3coupe]

Silvernoble883 said:

I can understand why they have gone V8 but it sounds a bit poo to my ears, I much prefer the sophisticated S6 sound.

Obviously everyone's different but I think that sounds pretty bloody epic to me.

[anonymous-user]

m3coupe said:

Silvernoble883 said:

I can understand why they have gone V8 but it sounds a bit poo to my ears, I much prefer the sophisticated S6 sound.

Obviously everyone's different but I think that sounds pretty bloody epic to me.

I suspect that's running a pretty conservative ignition map, as it sounds fairly "flat" to me, it certainly isn't a screamer of an engine, and sounds like the voleff is dropping off quickly at higher revs.

[Twinkam]

Max_Torque said:

m3coupe said:

Silvernoble883 said:

I can understand why they have gone V8 but it sounds a bit poo to my ears, I much prefer the sophisticated S6 sound.

Obviously everyone's different but I think that sounds pretty bloody epic to me.

I suspect that's running a pretty conservative ignition map, as it sounds fairly "flat" to me, it certainly isn't a screamer of an engine, and sounds like the voleff is dropping off quickly at higher revs.

They said it was a wet map.

[anonymous-user]

Twinkam said:

They said it was a wet map.

What's that, apart from the obvious?