New TVR still under wraps!
Discussion
To previous poster, Tesla only in to show performance against budget, a v8 will always sound better than 'silence', but we were talking about the wide variety of cars Tvr have to tempt buyers away from, for whatever reason, of comparable cost/performance.
Tvr have to find a their own USP, what is going to make potential customers to want their cars more than any other, now the performance side has been covered by other manufacturers?
Cars below offer a combination of both performance & ability to munch the miles;-
Tesla 70D - £60k, 0-62mph @ 5.2 secs
Tesla 90D - £96k, 2.8
Porsche Panamera 4.8 v8 - £93k, 4.5
Porsche 911 3.0T Carrara S - £86k, 4.3
Porsche Cayman GT4 - £65k, 4.4
Mercedes SL400 AMG L V6 - £73k, 4.9
Masarati Granturismo 4.7 460 Sport - £90k, 4.8
Lotus Evora 400 - - £73k, 4.2
Corvette Stingray 6.2 v8 - £70k, <4.0
Audi RS6 - £79k, 3.9
Added to above
High Volume
Alfa Romero 4c 1.7T Spider - £60k, 4.5
Jaguar F Type 5.0 v8 R AWD - £87k, 3.9
Low volume
Morgan 4.8 Plus - £85k, 4.5
Lotus Exige 3.5 Roadster - £56k. 3.8
Ultima?
Difficult, but can be done. Needs to be right first time though to banish old memories of Tvrs being 'fragile'.
As I said about 20 pages ago, the only way they can hope to compete IMO is in the performance stakes. They should supercharge it, give it 650hp and the performance stats to allow comparisons to be drawn to £150K+ cars. Assuming they have spec'd the transmission high enough, adding a SC would cost them a few K per car. Put TVR back on the performance map. 
FarmyardPants said:
As I said about 20 pages ago, the only way they can hope to compete IMO is in the performance stakes. They should supercharge it, give it 650hp and the performance stats to allow comparisons to be drawn to £150K+ cars. Assuming they have spec'd the transmission high enough, adding a SC would cost them a few K per car. Put TVR back on the performance map.
But like was already mentioned 20 pages ago that's not where the latest crop of super cars get their performance from. It now comes additionally through trick drive trains, that have a lot of technology applied. That's why a car the size of the GTR does a sub 3 second 0 - 60, and laps the Nurburgring in about 7 mins... and a car as small and with significantly less power like an A45 amg goes like a rocket. Unless people only care about going in a straight line.. that's what makes this really difficult.
I tend to agree. Might be able to get some competitive numbers on paper in a few areas but in all honesty there is no way in today's electronic and mega budget age to get a sub £100k car to compete in that regard.
This car has to compete by looking more than £100k, sounding great and not being any of the mainstream, generic vehicles. Which as most seem to agree, in a world where image is all, is going to be tough.
It should have tremendous performance and handle very well but even then it'll still lose out due to having the weight of the engine not over the driven wheels and not much body weight to hold them down. It simply needs to look very good. Look more expensive than it is.
This car has to compete by looking more than £100k, sounding great and not being any of the mainstream, generic vehicles. Which as most seem to agree, in a world where image is all, is going to be tough.
It should have tremendous performance and handle very well but even then it'll still lose out due to having the weight of the engine not over the driven wheels and not much body weight to hold them down. It simply needs to look very good. Look more expensive than it is.
FarmyardPants said:
As I said about 20 pages ago, the only way they can hope to compete IMO is in the performance stakes. They should supercharge it, give it 650hp and the performance stats to allow comparisons to be drawn to £150K+ cars. Assuming they have spec'd the transmission high enough, adding a SC would cost them a few K per car. Put TVR back on the performance map.
Supercharging is out I believe as they've said it's normally aspirated.A major plus factor is they've said it's going to be as simple and maintainable as possible. And proper driving stuff with option for traction control fully off.
IMHO that's a whole new ball game - particularly if it was without ECU (unlikely!)
julian64 said:
DonkeyApple said:
m4tti said:
DonkeyApple said:
In terms of non mass produced stuff of similar weight and type it's only really Lotus and Morgan?
Lots of competition from used stuff from golf club car parks but none of those mass produced cars are really in the same niche as TVRs other than for people who wanted them in the first place but couldn't afford them so bought a Tiv. For people who just want a car like a TVR there really isn't any comparison to the generic stuff.
Unfortunately that's changed too... the Gallardo is pretty decent, very responsive, nimble, add an aftermarket exhaust it gives you rip snorting noise, and there you have a tvr experience with out the hassle. Especially in the convertible. Lots of competition from used stuff from golf club car parks but none of those mass produced cars are really in the same niche as TVRs other than for people who wanted them in the first place but couldn't afford them so bought a Tiv. For people who just want a car like a TVR there really isn't any comparison to the generic stuff.
Which shows what ever they produce needs to be totally unique in the market place and it needs to make people want one. Over that set of cars mentioned, for the majority of people...it's a tough sell.
The trouble is that you are spot on, it will be a very tough sell as the vast majority of sports car buyers are badge focussed as a priority.
Would I buy a crate engine in a new TVR .... Not a very interesting engine is it? Perhaps once its been changed by ricardo it might be interesting. If it had a flat plane of a voodoo it'd be a much more interesting engine. I bet that engine is quite distinctive in character
V6Pushfit said:
Supercharging is out I believe as they've said it's normally aspirated.
A major plus factor is they've said it's going to be as simple and maintainable as possible. And proper driving stuff with option for traction control fully off.
IMHO that's a whole new ball game - particularly if it was without ECU (unlikely!)
How would it run and be emissions compliant without an ECU?A major plus factor is they've said it's going to be as simple and maintainable as possible. And proper driving stuff with option for traction control fully off.
IMHO that's a whole new ball game - particularly if it was without ECU (unlikely!)
Personally, I don’t think the case to purchase a new TVR is that difficult.
Looking at the lists above, there is absolutely nothing there that excites me enough to want to buy. Anything exciting is well over £100K these days.
But that is where the TVR sweet spot always has been – a car that looks fantastic, can hold its own or exceed the performance of cars of twice the price and uses technology in innovative ways.
So if the LE looks unique (not an Aston or Jaguar clone please!), over 200mph top speed, 0-60 in 3.something, innovative use of aerodynamics and electronics and costs £80K I’ll be happy.
It may not beat a GTR around the ring but so what.
Looking at the lists above, there is absolutely nothing there that excites me enough to want to buy. Anything exciting is well over £100K these days.
But that is where the TVR sweet spot always has been – a car that looks fantastic, can hold its own or exceed the performance of cars of twice the price and uses technology in innovative ways.
So if the LE looks unique (not an Aston or Jaguar clone please!), over 200mph top speed, 0-60 in 3.something, innovative use of aerodynamics and electronics and costs £80K I’ll be happy.
It may not beat a GTR around the ring but so what.
Englishman said:
Personally, I don’t think the case to purchase a new TVR is that difficult.
Looking at the lists above, there is absolutely nothing there that excites me enough to want to buy. Anything exciting is well over £100K these days.
But that is where the TVR sweet spot always has been – a car that looks fantastic, can hold its own or exceed the performance of cars of twice the price and uses technology in innovative ways.
So if the LE looks unique (not an Aston or Jaguar clone please!), over 200mph top speed, 0-60 in 3.something, innovative use of aerodynamics and electronics and costs £80K I’ll be happy.
It may not beat a GTR around the ring but so what.
+1 what he said...not much out there grabs my attention without needing to spend well over £100k. Looking at the lists above, there is absolutely nothing there that excites me enough to want to buy. Anything exciting is well over £100K these days.
But that is where the TVR sweet spot always has been – a car that looks fantastic, can hold its own or exceed the performance of cars of twice the price and uses technology in innovative ways.
So if the LE looks unique (not an Aston or Jaguar clone please!), over 200mph top speed, 0-60 in 3.something, innovative use of aerodynamics and electronics and costs £80K I’ll be happy.
It may not beat a GTR around the ring but so what.
Just caught up on here. Having heard and spoken to LE a few times in the recent years, he knows what TVR is all about, and loves his Sagaris - I just hope it translates into the new car. It's a tough job, so no wonder there are a few delays.
I'm looking forward to March, and I have fingers crossed it blows us all away.
Englishman said:
Personally, I don’t think the case to purchase a new TVR is that difficult.
Looking at the lists above, there is absolutely nothing there that excites me enough to want to buy. Anything exciting is well over £100K these days.
But that is where the TVR sweet spot always has been – a car that looks fantastic, can hold its own or exceed the performance of cars of twice the price and uses technology in innovative ways.
So if the LE looks unique (not an Aston or Jaguar clone please!), over 200mph top speed, 0-60 in 3.something, innovative use of aerodynamics and electronics and costs £80K I’ll be happy.
It may not beat a GTR around the ring but so what.
I agree, thats why I asked the question of the learn-ed as to what other car options there are. Looking at the lists above, there is absolutely nothing there that excites me enough to want to buy. Anything exciting is well over £100K these days.
But that is where the TVR sweet spot always has been – a car that looks fantastic, can hold its own or exceed the performance of cars of twice the price and uses technology in innovative ways.
So if the LE looks unique (not an Aston or Jaguar clone please!), over 200mph top speed, 0-60 in 3.something, innovative use of aerodynamics and electronics and costs £80K I’ll be happy.
It may not beat a GTR around the ring but so what.
It seems to me that the (relatively)limited production numbers too will encourage huge take up, and combined with the performance/styling/being British will beat most of the other hands down.
Englishman said:
Personally, I don’t think the case to purchase a new TVR is that difficult.
Looking at the lists above, there is absolutely nothing there that excites me enough to want to buy. Anything exciting is well over £100K these days.
But that is where the TVR sweet spot always has been – a car that looks fantastic, can hold its own or exceed the performance of cars of twice the price and uses technology in innovative ways.
So if the LE looks unique (not an Aston or Jaguar clone please!), over 200mph top speed, 0-60 in 3.something, innovative use of aerodynamics and electronics and costs £80K I’ll be happy.
It may not beat a GTR around the ring but so what.
Absolutely.Looking at the lists above, there is absolutely nothing there that excites me enough to want to buy. Anything exciting is well over £100K these days.
But that is where the TVR sweet spot always has been – a car that looks fantastic, can hold its own or exceed the performance of cars of twice the price and uses technology in innovative ways.
So if the LE looks unique (not an Aston or Jaguar clone please!), over 200mph top speed, 0-60 in 3.something, innovative use of aerodynamics and electronics and costs £80K I’ll be happy.
It may not beat a GTR around the ring but so what.
Its always easy to find other cars, especially 2nd hand, that do something similar but for me buying a car isn't akin to comparing specs/ prices; its because I want one.
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