New TVR still under wraps!
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m4tti said:
FarmyardPants said:
As I said about 20 pages ago, the only way they can hope to compete IMO is in the performance stakes. They should supercharge it, give it 650hp and the performance stats to allow comparisons to be drawn to £150K+ cars. Assuming they have spec'd the transmission high enough, adding a SC would cost them a few K per car. Put TVR back on the performance map. 
But like was already mentioned 20 pages ago that's not where the latest crop of super cars get their performance from. It now comes additionally through trick drive trains, that have a lot of technology applied. That's why a car the size of the GTR does a sub 3 second 0 - 60, and laps the Nurburgring in about 7 mins... and a car as small and with significantly less power like an A45 amg goes like a rocket. Unless people only care about going in a straight line.. that's what makes this really difficult.
We were discussing the price, I was suggesting that ramping up the on-paper performance is probably the easiest way to justify the cost.
In other words, ask not whether it's a better car than an F type, but instead whether it would out drag a McLaren that costs £50K more.
But as stated they appear to have ruled out supercharging.
Daggsy said:
That would make for an interesting survey.
a quick straw poll of the TVR guys I know and the most common automotive collection seems to me TVR, Landrover/rangerover, DucatiCertainly at one point well over half the TVR racing paddock was pulled by / has a support vehicle a Landrover product
FarmyardPants said:
In other words, ask not whether it's a better car than an F type, but instead whether it would out drag a McLaren that costs £50K more.
On paper, maybe, just. In the real world, without all the high tech, precision chassis electronics, and specifically a mid mounted engine and DSG transmission, er, no chance..........Competing on raw numbers is total b
ks, anyway. What you get here is basically the last of the analogue sports cars outside the track toy arena, with a big naturally aspirated engine in a relatively lightweight, bespoke-for-a-sports-car chassis.
The only relevant competition I see are the Lotus Evora 400/410, Aston V8V (specifically the N430) and whatever the current Morgan Aero 8 derivative is named...
ks, anyway. What you get here is basically the last of the analogue sports cars outside the track toy arena, with a big naturally aspirated engine in a relatively lightweight, bespoke-for-a-sports-car chassis. The only relevant competition I see are the Lotus Evora 400/410, Aston V8V (specifically the N430) and whatever the current Morgan Aero 8 derivative is named...
Max_Torque said:
FarmyardPants said:
In other words, ask not whether it's a better car than an F type, but instead whether it would out drag a McLaren that costs £50K more.
On paper, maybe, just. In the real world, without all the high tech, precision chassis electronics, and specifically a mid mounted engine and DSG transmission, er, no chance..........FarmyardPants said:
But as stated they appear to have ruled out supercharging.
400 bhp/ton is at the upper end of what one can hope to put on the tarmac with a modicum of safety eithout electronics 'driving' the car, anyway. Especially one with the engine in front of the occupants instead of over the rear axle... m4tti said:
DonkeyApple said:
That's exactly the point he is making. For marketing purposes it just needs the paper win to have the impact.
I'm not sure people with 80k to spunk on a new car are that stupid anymore. People are as daft as they've always been, there has been no natural selection of the daft, no genetic changes. And people are pseudo-wealthier than ever and with the greatest desire to spend than ever before.
Top trumps still vital. A company needs to arm their owners and fans with the tools to defend and promote their lifestyle choice purchase in public.
900T-R said:
Competing on raw numbers is total bks, anyway. What you get here is basically the last of the analogue sports cars outside the track toy arena, with a big naturally aspirated engine in a relatively lightweight, bespoke-for-a-sports-car chassis.
The only relevant competition I see are the Lotus Evora 400/410, Aston V8V (specifically the N430) and whatever the current Morgan Aero 8 derivative is named...
The Corvette C7 probably should also be on the list.ks, anyway. What you get here is basically the last of the analogue sports cars outside the track toy arena, with a big naturally aspirated engine in a relatively lightweight, bespoke-for-a-sports-car chassis. The only relevant competition I see are the Lotus Evora 400/410, Aston V8V (specifically the N430) and whatever the current Morgan Aero 8 derivative is named...
The spec is very similar to the TVR..
It would be interesting to compile lists of all British cars and all Foreign cars matching the spec and in the 'rough' price bracket ie say £55-£90K. By whittling this down the exact market alternatives will be seen, and where the TVR is likely to sit in the range available and therefore its approximate value. TVR will already have done this via their advisors.
To this value would be + or - depending on demand, brand, longevity of model, uniqueness etc. It could also be said that the volume of deposits in themselves have raised the price already. This +/- weighting could be applied and I'll wager that a good OTR price could be predicted.
To this value would be + or - depending on demand, brand, longevity of model, uniqueness etc. It could also be said that the volume of deposits in themselves have raised the price already. This +/- weighting could be applied and I'll wager that a good OTR price could be predicted.
Just putting cost aside for a moment...
I'm sure this has been said before in the thread, but, it seems to me that TVR always had a reputation for being fast, loud (in a wonderful way), and amazingly good looking. These three criteria should be easy to fulfill...
The other two areas of repute were reliability and finish. Reliability will obviously be up at the top of 'must be' factors, but can't be proven from the off.. So one of the major factors that will pull customers away from other marques will be the finish, on the whole car, but especially the interior, it's the bit you see when you're in it, and the amazing exterior won't matter a jot if the interior is badly designed, badly put together, and uses poor quality or parts bin components (you don't want to climb out of your Astra van into an 80k car that has the same indicator stalks and knobs).
Hopefully Les has taken some of his Aston experience (regarding finish and quality) and will be applying it to the new cars...
Just my two penneth
Chilli
I'm sure this has been said before in the thread, but, it seems to me that TVR always had a reputation for being fast, loud (in a wonderful way), and amazingly good looking. These three criteria should be easy to fulfill...
The other two areas of repute were reliability and finish. Reliability will obviously be up at the top of 'must be' factors, but can't be proven from the off.. So one of the major factors that will pull customers away from other marques will be the finish, on the whole car, but especially the interior, it's the bit you see when you're in it, and the amazing exterior won't matter a jot if the interior is badly designed, badly put together, and uses poor quality or parts bin components (you don't want to climb out of your Astra van into an 80k car that has the same indicator stalks and knobs).
Hopefully Les has taken some of his Aston experience (regarding finish and quality) and will be applying it to the new cars...
Just my two penneth
Chilli
ChilliWhizz said:
<clip> finish... <clip> ...the amazing exterior won't matter a jot if the interior is badly designed, badly put together, and uses poor quality or parts bin components...
I never really get this. The interior of my Griffith is fantastic. Frankly there's very few cars that touch it as a place to be. Swathed in leather (and mine does not smell of glue despite the oft bandied criticism) facing an organically shaped walnut dash that to me looks like a slice through a giant mango seed and copious amounts of touchy feely aluminium; the ball gear knob, the handbrake handle, the mysterious heater knobs etc. what's not to like? They probably reached a peak with the Cerbera but for me the Griff & Cerbera interiors are design studies in their own right. p.s. Mines 18 years old in March and nothing has fallen off despite Clarkson's puerile jokes.
RichB said:
ChilliWhizz said:
<clip> finish... <clip> ...the amazing exterior won't matter a jot if the interior is badly designed, badly put together, and uses poor quality or parts bin components...
I never really get this. The interior of my Griffith is fantastic. Frankly there's very few cars that touch it as a place to be. Swathed in leather (and mine does not smell of glue despite the oft bandied criticism) facing an organically shaped walnut dash that to me looks like a slice through a giant mango seed and copious amounts of touchy feely aluminium; the ball gear knob, the handbrake handle, the mysterious heater knobs etc. what's not to like? They probably reached a peak with the Cerbera but for me the Griff & Cerbera interiors are design studies in their own right. p.s. Mines 18 years old in March and nothing has fallen off despite Clarkson's puerile jokes.
RichB said:
ChilliWhizz said:
<clip> finish... <clip> ...the amazing exterior won't matter a jot if the interior is badly designed, badly put together, and uses poor quality or parts bin components...
I never really get this. The interior of my Griffith is fantastic. Frankly there's very few cars that touch it as a place to be. Swathed in leather (and mine does not smell of glue despite the oft bandied criticism) facing an organically shaped walnut dash that to me looks like a slice through a giant mango seed and copious amounts of touchy feely aluminium; the ball gear knob, the handbrake handle, the mysterious heater knobs etc. what's not to like? They probably reached a peak with the Cerbera but for me the Griff & Cerbera interiors are design studies in their own right. p.s. Mines 18 years old in March and nothing has fallen off despite Clarkson's puerile jokes.
If so, er, it's pretty far from "fantastic" in 2017 imo!
(Looks like someone has just thrown stuff in through the window, picked from 23 different donors, and nailed it on where it landed, sorry ;-)
Max_Torque said:
RichB said:
ChilliWhizz said:
<clip> finish... <clip> ...the amazing exterior won't matter a jot if the interior is badly designed, badly put together, and uses poor quality or parts bin components...
I never really get this. The interior of my Griffith is fantastic. Frankly there's very few cars that touch it as a place to be. Swathed in leather (and mine does not smell of glue despite the oft bandied criticism) facing an organically shaped walnut dash that to me looks like a slice through a giant mango seed and copious amounts of touchy feely aluminium; the ball gear knob, the handbrake handle, the mysterious heater knobs etc. what's not to like? They probably reached a peak with the Cerbera but for me the Griff & Cerbera interiors are design studies in their own right. p.s. Mines 18 years old in March and nothing has fallen off despite Clarkson's puerile jokes.
If so, er, it's pretty far from "fantastic" in 2017 imo!
(Looks like someone has just thrown stuff in through the window, picked from 23 different donors, and nailed it on where it landed, sorry ;-)
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