New TVR still under wraps!
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dvs_dave said:
Cool. Was just a matter of time before a U.K. based supplier looked into importing these off the shelf bits from the US. There'll be a nice big beefy Tremec Magnum behind it too which makes life much easier! Let's hope that the ECU TVR end up using is something easily accessible by the aftermarket. Oh, and it goes without saying the usual unbeatable Power warranty?
I think GT101 have been doing this for a while, as they're the official whipple dealer/installer, and are the leading outfit for Ford GT's and mustangs. And reading this on their website... I'm guessing they may be able to do official upgrades..
"GT101 Limited are now part of the official factory TVR network, we will therefore be selling, servicing and supporting the new car. "
http://gt101.co.uk
Edited by m4tti on Thursday 19th January 22:48
m4tti said:
Max_Torque said:
It is....... ;-)
But if they're using cosworth won't cosworth want to use Pectel...Max_Torque said:
m4tti said:
Max_Torque said:
It is....... ;-)
But if they're using cosworth won't cosworth want to use Pectel...But with a plenty supply of aftermarket solutions for the Coyote engine what is the most efficient route to ensure the majority of clients buy their upgrades from TVR?
DonkeyApple said:
Max_Torque said:
m4tti said:
Max_Torque said:
It is....... ;-)
But if they're using cosworth won't cosworth want to use Pectel...But with a plenty supply of aftermarket solutions for the Coyote engine what is the most efficient route to ensure the majority of clients buy their upgrades from TVR?
It's not a simple tweak of the fuel and ignition maps though, when you add independent intake and exhaust timing into the mix it can become almost infinitely variable, early US tuners started to lock off the VVT as it was too complex.
Slightly OT; DA re intake positioning on your Typhon. I spent a lot of time rerouteing to get the intake piping and filter on my old V8S optimised. I attached wires to the AFM output to a voltmeter on the dash so I could see what was happening on the road. I ended up with the filter in the near side void ahead of the wheel arch, silicon hoses and oversized elbow section. The only downside was as the V8S had a front clam shell you had to undo the piping to the AFM to fully lift the bonnet, I put a quick release hose clamp on it. My back to back testing identified about a 5% improvement across the board, fond memories...
350Matt said:
the best route is to make it easy and cost effective to go the ' official' route
if they offered say a 50 bhp upgrade pack that came with a calibration and it was more or less the same price as importing the bits yourself then why shop elsewhere?
I suspect that's the only true answer. The majority of people would prefer sanctioned & branded upgrades and are only driven elsewhere by cost. if they offered say a 50 bhp upgrade pack that came with a calibration and it was more or less the same price as importing the bits yourself then why shop elsewhere?
I think the real upgrade revenue will probably come from body panels as much as anything as I think one of the benefits of the istream system is that these are easy to change when you get bored.
k in the first place !
HarryW said:
Slightly OT; DA re intake positioning on your Typhon. I spent a lot of time rerouteing to get the intake piping and filter on my old V8S optimised. I attached wires to the AFM output to a voltmeter on the dash so I could see what was happening on the road. I ended up with the filter in the near side void ahead of the wheel arch, silicon hoses and oversized elbow section. The only downside was as the V8S had a front clam shell you had to undo the piping to the AFM to fully lift the bonnet, I put a quick release hose clamp on it. My back to back testing identified about a 5% improvement across the board, fond memories...
Mine has a steel box down on the floor just behind the rad with 5 one inch holes down through the flat floor to feed it with air. It's a legacy of the FI as the box originally fed the intercoolers in the wings then on to the engine. What we originally did was just connect two pipes from that box to the engine but when mapping it was clear the engine was hugely short on air. I didn't want to replicate the race cars and cut a hole in the bonnet so I'd been eyeing the old intercooler brackets for about a year when GM said what he did and convinced me to go ahead. I just put a Cerbera style filter in each void and a big fat pipe from them to the engine. On remapping the increase in air flow was dramatic and much more fuel was able to be fed in at high rpm. Has made a huge difference.
Max_Torque said:
They might want to use a Cosworth Electronics ECU, but they are too expensive, so they are not using one...... (can't tell you what they are using, sorry, as i don't think it's public knowledge yet)
Surely they would stick to the OEM ECU for warranty and avoiding "re-inventing" the wheel.eliot said:
Max_Torque said:
They might want to use a Cosworth Electronics ECU, but they are too expensive, so they are not using one...... (can't tell you what they are using, sorry, as i don't think it's public knowledge yet)
Surely they would stick to the OEM ECU for warranty and avoiding "re-inventing" the wheel.Matthew Poxon said:
DonkeyApple said:
Hi Aaron. Glad it was firstly, readable and secondly, of interest.
It was thanks to V8GRF who had been asked by TVR if he could source a Typhon for them and GMD to look over and saw fit to ask me if I'd like to help. It was a very interesting day. I'd very briefly met GM back in the early 90s at a McLaren event but never actually had a conversation. I guess I didn't really know what to expect as I arrived at his office but I guess I just thought a couple of TVR people would have a look at the car and that would be it but once the car was taken into one of their garages about a dozen engineers and designers all descended on it. It was really at that point that I realised just how serious this venture is. They have a lot of people working on all aspects down to the finest details and I think while they were totally confident that they could build a car they were investing maximum effort to ensure that car was a true TVR. LE's enthusiasm was also infectious and it is very clear that he understands exactly what a TVR is and that while you cannot build those cars anymore and have to build something for the 21st century it has to carry the DNA.
I still think that it is a mammoth task and that Brexit has probably made it harder still but it was clear to me that they were not fannying about.
I enjoyed your article on the Typhon, very well written and informative. It did make me laugh when you mentioned about TVR breaking the usual British etiquette of not talking to each other. All sounds very positive. It was thanks to V8GRF who had been asked by TVR if he could source a Typhon for them and GMD to look over and saw fit to ask me if I'd like to help. It was a very interesting day. I'd very briefly met GM back in the early 90s at a McLaren event but never actually had a conversation. I guess I didn't really know what to expect as I arrived at his office but I guess I just thought a couple of TVR people would have a look at the car and that would be it but once the car was taken into one of their garages about a dozen engineers and designers all descended on it. It was really at that point that I realised just how serious this venture is. They have a lot of people working on all aspects down to the finest details and I think while they were totally confident that they could build a car they were investing maximum effort to ensure that car was a true TVR. LE's enthusiasm was also infectious and it is very clear that he understands exactly what a TVR is and that while you cannot build those cars anymore and have to build something for the 21st century it has to carry the DNA.
I still think that it is a mammoth task and that Brexit has probably made it harder still but it was clear to me that they were not fannying about.
Bluebottle said:
eliot said:
Max_Torque said:
They might want to use a Cosworth Electronics ECU, but they are too expensive, so they are not using one...... (can't tell you what they are using, sorry, as i don't think it's public knowledge yet)
Surely they would stick to the OEM ECU for warranty and avoiding "re-inventing" the wheel.The so called cosworth video with Les beaming over the engine on the dyno as it supposedly was put through a simulated load of a well known track (from memory) was an MBE screen. So still not really cutting edge.
For example the Noble M600 runs a motec. But it's sounding ominously like they'll be using nothing too glamorous from the above post.
What point is there to having a "glamorous" ECU, if there is no performance advantage? There is tuning, that can be done, with the Ford computer, that negates having to raise the build cost.
As for warranty issues, I hope they will be as uptight as Apple, when it comes to allowing unauthorized fingers to perform work.
Best regards,
Bernard.
As for warranty issues, I hope they will be as uptight as Apple, when it comes to allowing unauthorized fingers to perform work.
Best regards,
Bernard.
Slow M said:
What point is there to having a "glamorous" ECU, if there is no performance advantage? There is tuning, that can be done, with the Ford computer, that negates having to raise the build cost.
As for warranty issues, I hope they will be as uptight as Apple, when it comes to allowing unauthorized fingers to perform work.
Best regards,
Bernard.
Because they'll then need to start buying in stand alone traction control. As for warranty issues, I hope they will be as uptight as Apple, when it comes to allowing unauthorized fingers to perform work.
Best regards,
Bernard.
Max_Torque said:
m4tti said:
Max_Torque said:
It is....... ;-)
But if they're using cosworth won't cosworth want to use Pectel...Syvecs, Megasquirt, AEM, Holley....?
IF the new car is £85-90k I would have to look at alternatives and a 700 bhp Mustang with the supercharger for under £50k is going to be quick sorted car for £35-40k less which is a lot of money to save! I know its not carbon fibre etc but still, performance wise they wont be far apart.
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