New TVR still under wraps!

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Incognegro said:

Matthew Poxon said:

DonkeyApple said:

Hi Aaron. Glad it was firstly, readable and secondly, of interest.

It was thanks to V8GRF who had been asked by TVR if he could source a Typhon for them and GMD to look over and saw fit to ask me if I'd like to help. It was a very interesting day. I'd very briefly met GM back in the early 90s at a McLaren event but never actually had a conversation. I guess I didn't really know what to expect as I arrived at his office but I guess I just thought a couple of TVR people would have a look at the car and that would be it but once the car was taken into one of their garages about a dozen engineers and designers all descended on it. It was really at that point that I realised just how serious this venture is. They have a lot of people working on all aspects down to the finest details and I think while they were totally confident that they could build a car they were investing maximum effort to ensure that car was a true TVR. LE's enthusiasm was also infectious and it is very clear that he understands exactly what a TVR is and that while you cannot build those cars anymore and have to build something for the 21st century it has to carry the DNA.

I still think that it is a mammoth task and that Brexit has probably made it harder still but it was clear to me that they were not fannying about.

I enjoyed your article on the Typhon, very well written and informative. It did make me laugh when you mentioned about TVR breaking the usual British etiquette of not talking to each other. All sounds very positive.

Echoing Matthew I really liked the article and all does sound good.

Another Echo, article read sounds very promising

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BJWoods said:

9 pages of retrospective TVR in Autocar......

..so marketing/profile raising strategy beginning to ramp up..?

Woody, can you post the article here? Or will it infuriate the moderators.

Getting Autocar in Cyprus is a no show.

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anonymous said:

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Your right Coupes it is poor showing from me l'm a bad shy man , sorry Woody l will never ask again

[tvrtuscans]

portzi said:

Incognegro said:

Matthew Poxon said:

DonkeyApple said:

Hi Aaron. Glad it was firstly, readable and secondly, of interest.

It was thanks to V8GRF who had been asked by TVR if he could source a Typhon for them and GMD to look over and saw fit to ask me if I'd like to help. It was a very interesting day. I'd very briefly met GM back in the early 90s at a McLaren event but never actually had a conversation. I guess I didn't really know what to expect as I arrived at his office but I guess I just thought a couple of TVR people would have a look at the car and that would be it but once the car was taken into one of their garages about a dozen engineers and designers all descended on it. It was really at that point that I realised just how serious this venture is. They have a lot of people working on all aspects down to the finest details and I think while they were totally confident that they could build a car they were investing maximum effort to ensure that car was a true TVR. LE's enthusiasm was also infectious and it is very clear that he understands exactly what a TVR is and that while you cannot build those cars anymore and have to build something for the 21st century it has to carry the DNA.

I still think that it is a mammoth task and that Brexit has probably made it harder still but it was clear to me that they were not fannying about.

I enjoyed your article on the Typhon, very well written and informative. It did make me laugh when you mentioned about TVR breaking the usual British etiquette of not talking to each other. All sounds very positive.

Echoing Matthew I really liked the article and all does sound good.

Another Echo, article read sounds very promising

Couldn't agree more; very good and informative article.

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tvrtuscans said:

portzi said:

Incognegro said:

Matthew Poxon said:

DonkeyApple said:

Hi Aaron. Glad it was firstly, readable and secondly, of interest.

It was thanks to V8GRF who had been asked by TVR if he could source a Typhon for them and GMD to look over and saw fit to ask me if I'd like to help. It was a very interesting day. I'd very briefly met GM back in the early 90s at a McLaren event but never actually had a conversation. I guess I didn't really know what to expect as I arrived at his office but I guess I just thought a couple of TVR people would have a look at the car and that would be it but once the car was taken into one of their garages about a dozen engineers and designers all descended on it. It was really at that point that I realised just how serious this venture is. They have a lot of people working on all aspects down to the finest details and I think while they were totally confident that they could build a car they were investing maximum effort to ensure that car was a true TVR. LE's enthusiasm was also infectious and it is very clear that he understands exactly what a TVR is and that while you cannot build those cars anymore and have to build something for the 21st century it has to carry the DNA.

I still think that it is a mammoth task and that Brexit has probably made it harder still but it was clear to me that they were not fannying about.

I enjoyed your article on the Typhon, very well written and informative. It did make me laugh when you mentioned about TVR breaking the usual British etiquette of not talking to each other. All sounds very positive.

Echoing Matthew I really liked the article and all does sound good.

Another Echo, article read sounds very promising

Couldn't agree more; very good and informative article.

Especially the sentence where the author took GM's advice on his own car and did the modifications and it increased his engine performance, slick GM or what !!!!!

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tvrtuscans said:

portzi said:

Incognegro said:

Matthew Poxon said:

DonkeyApple said:

Hi Aaron. Glad it was firstly, readable and secondly, of interest.

It was thanks to V8GRF who had been asked by TVR if he could source a Typhon for them and GMD to look over and saw fit to ask me if I'd like to help. It was a very interesting day. I'd very briefly met GM back in the early 90s at a McLaren event but never actually had a conversation. I guess I didn't really know what to expect as I arrived at his office but I guess I just thought a couple of TVR people would have a look at the car and that would be it but once the car was taken into one of their garages about a dozen engineers and designers all descended on it. It was really at that point that I realised just how serious this venture is. They have a lot of people working on all aspects down to the finest details and I think while they were totally confident that they could build a car they were investing maximum effort to ensure that car was a true TVR. LE's enthusiasm was also infectious and it is very clear that he understands exactly what a TVR is and that while you cannot build those cars anymore and have to build something for the 21st century it has to carry the DNA.

I still think that it is a mammoth task and that Brexit has probably made it harder still but it was clear to me that they were not fannying about.

I enjoyed your article on the Typhon, very well written and informative. It did make me laugh when you mentioned about TVR breaking the usual British etiquette of not talking to each other. All sounds very positive.

Echoing Matthew I really liked the article and all does sound good.

Another Echo, article read sounds very promising

Couldn't agree more; very good and informative article.

I have read Tim's & Davids article 4 or 5 times now, and it just gets better with every read, the piccy with GM in the passenger seat is priceless

[350Matt]

essexstu said:

IF the new car is £85-90k I would have to look at alternatives and a 700 bhp Mustang with the supercharger for under £50k is going to be quick sorted car for £35-40k less which is a lot of money to save! I know its not carbon fibre etc but still, performance wise they wont be far apart.

Have you driven one of these new 'stangs'?

I was very disappointed, it a great woofly, wallowly barge of a car. Don't get me wrong a 700bhp version would be a giggle but its not a sports car

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350Matt said:

essexstu said:

IF the new car is £85-90k I would have to look at alternatives and a 700 bhp Mustang with the supercharger for under £50k is going to be quick sorted car for £35-40k less which is a lot of money to save! I know its not carbon fibre etc but still, performance wise they wont be far apart.

Have you driven one of these new 'stangs'?

I was very disappointed, it a great woofly, wallowly barge of a car. Don't get me wrong a 700bhp version would be a giggle but its not a sports car

Exactly, the new TVR will make the mustang look and handle like the Beverley hill-billies Station wagon

[KevinCamaroSS]

portzi said:

350Matt said:

essexstu said:

IF the new car is £85-90k I would have to look at alternatives and a 700 bhp Mustang with the supercharger for under £50k is going to be quick sorted car for £35-40k less which is a lot of money to save! I know its not carbon fibre etc but still, performance wise they wont be far apart.

Have you driven one of these new 'stangs'?

I was very disappointed, it a great woofly, wallowly barge of a car. Don't get me wrong a 700bhp version would be a giggle but its not a sports car

Exactly, the new TVR will make the mustang look and handle like the Beverley hill-billies Station wagon

To be fair the Mustang is sold as a GT, not a sports car. We managed 1850 miles in 5 days in one with no comfort issues. I personally prefer the previous model.

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L33 said:

I'm following this thread with a great deal of interest
I sadly left the TVR fold a few years back when there was nothing to move onto after parting ways with my Sag. I've had some cracking motors since (see profile for pics) but most have either felt either too clinical or too expensive compared to my previous TVRs

Sadly I was foolish enough not to cough up the £2.5k deposit as a TVR car club member to get on the waiting list as I never thought the new car would actually happen

Does anyone one have any idea how many people are currently on the deposit / waiting list, and how many people may give up their places once prices & specs are announced?

Also, does it make sense to go for an early car or would it be best waiting a while until any potential production issues have been ironed out?

I have the dilemma of stumping my deposit up now and going to the back of the queue or trying to buy a build slot from someone who no-longer wants it and getting an earlier car

Cheers,
L33

... in the meantime you can always hire my LE for a few weekends


I'll be ... rather nervously .... loaning it to our family sports car hire company for Summer seasons like I did my Aston which has been fine. Hopefully drivers will avoid the spins and near-misses of the Morgan 3 Wheeler that we had briefly!

[essexstu]

350Matt said:

Have you driven one of these new 'stangs'?

I was very disappointed, it a great woofly, wallowly barge of a car. Don't get me wrong a 700bhp version would be a giggle but its not a sports car

yeah I appreciate different kind of car but at nearly half the cost of the new TVR it will be worthy of consideration. I want a car I can drive on the road and enjoy in Scotland, Northern Spain or down to the Alps, not round Silverstone or Nurburgring.

I just hope the cost is nearer £60-65k in which case I will still go for it.

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essexstu said:

yeah I appreciate different kind of car but at nearly half the cost of the new TVR it will be worthy of consideration. I want a car I can drive on the road and enjoy in Scotland, Northern Spain or down to the Alps, not round Silverstone or Nurburgring.

I just hope the cost is nearer £60-65k in which case I will still go for it.

Don't think there is a chance of that, Carbon tub, unique Cosworth v8, low build numbers... got to be £85+, especially at an age where a well speccd RS3 and A45 hatch backs is knocking on 50k...

Vauxhall have had the 600bhp VXR8 for a number of years now and is meant to be a great car at circa 50k.... but only seen one on the road.

No harm in hoping though

[RichB]

essexstu said:

350Matt said:

Have you driven one of these new 'stangs'?

I was very disappointed, it a great woofly, wallowly barge of a car. Don't get me wrong a 700bhp version would be a giggle but its not a sports car

yeah I appreciate different kind of car but at nearly half the cost of the new TVR it will be worthy of consideration. I want a car I can drive on the road and enjoy in Scotland, Northern Spain or down to the Alps, not round Silverstone or Nurburgring. I just hope the cost is nearer £60-65k in which case I will still go for it.

Purely an observation but typically someone considering a Mustang would not even look at a TVR and vice versa. They are poles apart. All MO of course.

[Bluebottle]

essexstu said:

IF the new car is £85-90k I would have to look at alternatives and a 700 bhp Mustang with the supercharger for under £50k is going to be quick sorted car for £35-40k less which is a lot of money to save! I know its not carbon fibre etc but still, performance wise they wont be far apart.

When I spoke with LE last year he was intimating that the initial LE car with ALL the extras and CF tub would be the strong side of £85k but the follow on range af car would have a £55-65k entry level model but all would have an options list from that sort of base price point. That works for me

[HarryW]

likesachange said:

essexstu said:

yeah I appreciate different kind of car but at nearly half the cost of the new TVR it will be worthy of consideration. I want a car I can drive on the road and enjoy in Scotland, Northern Spain or down to the Alps, not round Silverstone or Nurburgring.

I just hope the cost is nearer £60-65k in which case I will still go for it.

Don't think there is a chance of that, Carbon tub, unique Cosworth v8, low build numbers... got to be £85+, especially at an age where a well speccd RS3 and A45 hatch backs is knocking on 50k...

Vauxhall have had the 600bhp VXR8 for a number of years now and is meant to be a great car at circa 50k.... but only seen one on the road.

No harm in hoping though

Not sure of the science behind your estimate of its got to be £85+, but the reality is its not a real carbon tub, it is iStream... a steel framed with Carbon panels in between, like the Typhon.
The unique engine is not it remains a crate Ford Coyote with no mechanic changes, bar sump, intake and exhaust plumbing and a map, ergo very little Cosworth to it.

This subject is getting like trying to agree something with Tim Fallon... Simply the closer Les and the team get to the lower figure above the better his chances of making a success of TVR.

[HarryW]

Bluebottle said:

essexstu said:

IF the new car is £85-90k I would have to look at alternatives and a 700 bhp Mustang with the supercharger for under £50k is going to be quick sorted car for £35-40k less which is a lot of money to save! I know its not carbon fibre etc but still, performance wise they wont be far apart.

When I spoke with LE last year he was intimating that the initial LE car with ALL the extras and CF tub would be the strong side of £85k but the follow on range af car would have a £55-65k entry level model but all would have an options list from that sort of base price point. That works for me

That would work for me too, love the idea of an LE but as a fun second car its getting difficult to justify keeping up with the price creep since initial announcement. Spending that kind of money on a unproven product, both mechanically and depreciation terms, is not something I would do blindly.
I like the idea of a raw less expensive version, saying that if the cheap version turns out to be a blown V6 then that would be off my shopping list too....

[likesachange]

HarryW said:

Not sure of the science behind your estimate of its got to be £85+, but the reality is its not a real carbon tub, it is iStream... a steel framed with Carbon panels in between, like the Typhon.
The unique engine is not it remains a crate Ford Coyote with no mechanic changes, bar sump, intake and exhaust plumbing and a map, ergo very little Cosworth to it.

This subject is getting like trying to agree something with Tim Fallon... Simply the closer Les and the team get to the lower figure above the better his chances of making a success of TVR.

Mainly due to the development costs vs production numbers..

What sector is it pitching against? 65k+ is caymen/Exige which is possibly where it needs to be but not entirely sure what kind of stats it will be putting out... If its circa 450-500 bhp and 1150 kg that's quite a lot of performance and really warrants the 85k price bracket IMO Look how much the Noble M600 is ...

Hope I am proved wrong and it is circa 65k

[KevinCamaroSS]

RichB said:

essexstu said:

350Matt said:

Have you driven one of these new 'stangs'?

I was very disappointed, it a great woofly, wallowly barge of a car. Don't get me wrong a 700bhp version would be a giggle but its not a sports car

yeah I appreciate different kind of car but at nearly half the cost of the new TVR it will be worthy of consideration. I want a car I can drive on the road and enjoy in Scotland, Northern Spain or down to the Alps, not round Silverstone or Nurburgring. I just hope the cost is nearer £60-65k in which case I will still go for it.

Purely an observation but typically someone considering a Mustang would not even look at a TVR and vice versa. They are poles apart. All MO of course.

Not really. Both are 'special' cars that you would not drive everyday. Would I like to have another TVR? Yes. Would I swap my Camaro for a Mustang? Yes. Both cars have V8s and are special, so, not so different really.

My next car is likely to be a 2012/13 GT500 Shelby Mustang. The GT500 new is likely to be £65-70K in the UK ready to go.

[ChilliWhizz]

KevinCamaroSS said:

Not really. Both are 'special' cars that you would not drive everyday. Would I like to have another TVR? Yes. Would I swap my Camaro for a Mustang? Yes. Both cars have V8s and are special, so, not so different really.

My next car is likely to be a 2012/13 GT500 Shelby Mustang. The GT500 new is likely to be £65-70K in the UK ready to go.

Except, as you said in an earlier post the Mustang is sold as a GT, not a sports car... to me these are two different things, each designed for a particular purpose.... If I wanted a sports car I wouldn't be looking at Mustangs...

[anonymous-user]

ChilliWhizz said:

KevinCamaroSS said:

Not really. Both are 'special' cars that you would not drive everyday. Would I like to have another TVR? Yes. Would I swap my Camaro for a Mustang? Yes. Both cars have V8s and are special, so, not so different really.

My next car is likely to be a 2012/13 GT500 Shelby Mustang. The GT500 new is likely to be £65-70K in the UK ready to go.

Except, as you said in an earlier post the Mustang is sold as a GT, not a sports car... to me these are two different things, each designed for a particular purpose.... If I wanted a sports car I wouldn't be looking at Mustangs...

I'm a fairly sure the "new" TVR was discussed as being a GT car in the early days...not seen anything concrete since that would suggest otherwise.