New TVR still under wraps!

[v8s4me]

It would be great if the new car was the styling vision of one talented designer but let hope there is a full professional production design team sitting behind him. Think about the Tuscan spoiler which collects standing water when parked. Or rear windows which pop out because of wind pressure, or Chimaera roof panels which are just a tad too wide to fit in the boot without eventually taking a chip out of the rear wing, door seals which leak because of the shape of the moulding etc etc etc. Quirks or "character" are all very well but on a £90k car one would expect typical TVR "foibles" like these to be designed out.

Here's hoping it's a great car to take TVR forward and build a reputation for quality, and not quirks.

[KevinCamaroSS]

bullittmcqueen said:

Ah, tonne is metric ton and ton is imperial ton which is 1016 KG ? My calculations were referring to imperial ton and were omitting decimals and stuff. That's a great unit system you've gotten yourselves into

Indeed, a right mess in weights and measures.

[bullittmcqueen]

KevinCamaroSS said:

Indeed, a right mess in weights and measures.

But please tell me that they are not using this for anything engineering-related !?

Edited by bullittmcqueen on Monday 20th March 11:47

[Incognegro]

Talking of Power to weight figures have they specified 'at the rear wheels'? As this then opens up another debate... Im basing my 4.5 SuperSports rebuild on this when it comes back and I know Dom only likes to quote the @ the rear wheels figure... that said it could all be a very interesting and different ball game.

I'm glad the day has produced optimism amongst those that have heard and seen more than most. I'm sure it will be good but will it be a game changer like old?

[carsy]

So when can we expect to see the first car on the road.

[350Matt]

Incognegro said:

Talking of Power to weight figures have they specified 'at the rear wheels'? As this then opens up another debate... Im basing my 4.5 SuperSports rebuild on this when it comes back and I know Dom only likes to quote the @ the rear wheels figure... that said it could all be a very interesting and different ball game.

I'm glad the day has produced optimism amongst those that have heard and seen more than most. I'm sure it will be good but will it be a game changer like old?

at the wheels figures are for those who don't own a dyno....
VW don't quote at the wheels do they?

for good reason

[Byker28i]

Daggsy said:

Are the six people above who have commented on Ar*ebook ALL depositors ?

First person is Sprint Deputy editor

[m4tti]

Incognegro said:

Talking of Power to weight figures have they specified 'at the rear wheels'? As this then opens up another debate... Im basing my 4.5 SuperSports rebuild on this when it comes back and I know Dom only likes to quote the @ the rear wheels figure... that said it could all be a very interesting and different ball game.

I'm glad the day has produced optimism amongst those that have heard and seen more than most. I'm sure it will be good but will it be a game changer like old?

You really need to take it to an independent "rolling road" ...

[Jhonno]

m4tti said:

Incognegro said:

Talking of Power to weight figures have they specified 'at the rear wheels'? As this then opens up another debate... Im basing my 4.5 SuperSports rebuild on this when it comes back and I know Dom only likes to quote the @ the rear wheels figure... that said it could all be a very interesting and different ball game.

I'm glad the day has produced optimism amongst those that have heard and seen more than most. I'm sure it will be good but will it be a game changer like old?

You really need to take it to an independent "rolling road" ...

Surrey Rolling Road for example..

[WillS66]

andy43 said:

Looks like somebody got a video today...
https://www.facebook.com/sam.pearcewarrilow/videos...

Ha, brilliant!

It looks strangely like the TVR I already have.

WillS

[SpeedBuzz]

bullittmcqueen said:

BJWoods said:

Well obviously. I asked in q/a given that it has put on a bit of weight will the power to weight still be 400bhp/tonne and the answer was a bit vague. Though after, another TVR person said yes. I liked the styling, which had an engineering purpose. I'm very interested in finding out what the aero can achieve, this could make it unique in a car that is being produced new. Lots of positives about the car, bit underwhelmed about the event, had hoped to see a bit more of GMD side of things, could have been in a room anywhere. The car pretty much met my expectations. Hopefully sub 90, doesn't mean £89,995,
The group I was in were pretty much very positive about the car. And I will leave my deposit with TVR

Edited by BJWoods on Sunday 19th March 23:30

Ok, now i get you, thx. Btw, were there only people from TVR there, or from GMD as well ? GM himself ? I'll be there next Saturday, really looking forward to it..

Edited by bullittmcqueen on Monday 20th March 08:08

So do you know if that is the List price with VAT or on the road price and what the likely CO emissions will be?
Obviously the new Car Tax comes into play and its all about setting expectations when you get the final invoice.

[ClassicChimaera]

m4tti said:

You really need to take it to an independent "rolling road" ...

And why's that then!

[essexstu]

bullittmcqueen said:

http://www.dft.gov.uk/vca/vehicletype/ec-small-ser...

They are going for EC Small Series Type Approval, aren't they ? Am i right that that means max. 1000 Cars / Year ?

"The production limit for both cars and light vans / light trucks is 1000 per type each year in the whole of the EU."

I always had something like 2500 in the back of my head.

I think the low volume type approval allows for up to 2000 units per annum

[essexstu]

SpeedBuzz said:

So do you know if that is the List price with VAT or on the road price and what the likely CO emissions will be?
Obviously the new Car Tax comes into play and its all about setting expectations when you get the final invoice.

I assume the CO2 emissions will be similar to the Mustang as that is what the engine is from. High first year cost £2000 then the £140 per annum plus five year penalty of £340 as the car is over £40k so £450 per annum until 6th year when it drops the standard £140.

[Incognegro]

Jhonno said:

m4tti said:

Incognegro said:

Talking of Power to weight figures have they specified 'at the rear wheels'? As this then opens up another debate... Im basing my 4.5 SuperSports rebuild on this when it comes back and I know Dom only likes to quote the @ the rear wheels figure... that said it could all be a very interesting and different ball game.

I'm glad the day has produced optimism amongst those that have heard and seen more than most. I'm sure it will be good but will it be a game changer like old?

You really need to take it to an independent "rolling road" ...

Surrey Rolling Road for example..

yeah thats fine but my question was have they specified what they mean by 400bhp/ton... regardless of where (which rolling road) its done at, is it a figure from @ the rear wheels or fly?

[ssharp13]

I've had my 400SE wedge for 24 yrs - still love it!

Midnight Blue, 3.5 mpg on the track - ace...

[bullittmcqueen]

essexstu said:

I assume the CO2 emissions will be similar to the Mustang as that is what the engine is from. High first year cost £2000 then the £140 per annum plus five year penalty of £340 as the car is over £40k so £450 per annum until 6th year when it drops the standard £140.

http://www.nextgreencar.com/view-car/58078/ford-mustang-fastback-5.0-v8-gt-418ps-petrol-manual-6-speed/

300 g/km is not off the charts, but will probably be one of the cheaper aspects of driving it.

Edited by bullittmcqueen on Monday 20th March 14:48

[bullittmcqueen]

Incognegro said:

yeah thats fine but my question was have they specified what they mean by 400bhp/ton... regardless of where (which rolling road) its done at, is it a figure from @ the rear wheels or fly?

I thought bhp (brake horse power) is always at the fly ?

[rev-erend]

The engine is developed at Cosworth on an engine dyno.

They may exagerate these figures as many have done before them but with very high levels of power actually proving it on a RR is tricky.

Regarding the weight, I would think they estimate it until it can be checked on the production line with the final spec signed off but both figures will be important to them in this sports car sector.

[phazed]

bullittmcqueen said:

I thought bhp (brake horse power) is always at the fly ?

No, can be either.

Measured on an engine dyno direct or at the wheels on a RR.

If measured at the wheels on a standard RR then a percentage is deducted for transmission and drive train loss for an approximate fly figure.

A factory BHP figure would be measured on an engine dyno.