New TVR still under wraps!
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TVRMs said:
LOL power to weight is all pub talk. Car will never weigh what the dry weight used is and the engine will never make the power used is either. 
Assuming it's fly power, its still a good target to aim for.
Surely a horse has a lot more power than a fly? Assuming it's fly power, its still a good target to aim for.
Nice colour though, and quick handling.
m4tti said:
TVRMs said:
Agree. I took a T400? out on a sprint once and it felt sluggish, but then it was never built for sprinting
I'm in the last stages of building/rebuilding two cars with close to 400bhp/tonne. One a screamer, the other more laid back. Both will be quick, but in a very different way.
Although it managed to lap Lemans ...I'm in the last stages of building/rebuilding two cars with close to 400bhp/tonne. One a screamer, the other more laid back. Both will be quick, but in a very different way.
I'm fairly sure the Le Mans cars would feel sluggish on a short sprint also..
Off to see it on Saturday; here's hoping... I'm glad no spoilers have been posted as I certainly didn't want to go with any preconceived ideas.
But re the weight and power, my Tuscan (challenge-based, not road-car-based) was weighed for the SuperLap series at Knockhill at 1140Kg - but that included driver (a lardy me), race gear...and since I wanted it to be as heavy as possible to avoid power/weight penalties...that was with a full tank of fuel (50 litres) and of course all other fluids ready to go. That means the car alone is near-enough 1000Kg.
Now that's with a Chevrolet LS motor rather than a Ford, but an all-alloy LS. It's one of the later Challenge cars with the carbon/kevlar tubs; but more importantly that 1000Kg does not include side windows/winders, rear window, roof, boot, heater, air-con, power steering, brake servo, ABS, door panels, carpets, sound-deadening etc etc. So I've always been a bit sceptical over the weights since I'm sure I couldn't make the Tuscan into a 'fully practical' road car for just a few 100Kg extra.
As to power, the Tuscan has been dyno'd at a true 500+ HP, so genuinely a 500Hp/tonne car...and so I'm going to be disappointed if the new car drops below 400hp/tonne. But if it's a revvy motor (as it should be with the Ford) it should feel OK on a 6-speed box I guess. With the power in the Tuscan being there throughout the rev range I don't think it feels that quick; I know it is quick because I can see how it performs against other cars on track, but without the high-rev rush of power...if anything, 500hp/tonne feels a bit docile to the extent I've run it on slicks and semi-slicks in the wet/damp.
So I am expecting it to be quite a bit heaver than quoted; I'm just hoping Cosworth have wrung a few more HP out the motor.
But re the weight and power, my Tuscan (challenge-based, not road-car-based) was weighed for the SuperLap series at Knockhill at 1140Kg - but that included driver (a lardy me), race gear...and since I wanted it to be as heavy as possible to avoid power/weight penalties...that was with a full tank of fuel (50 litres) and of course all other fluids ready to go. That means the car alone is near-enough 1000Kg.
Now that's with a Chevrolet LS motor rather than a Ford, but an all-alloy LS. It's one of the later Challenge cars with the carbon/kevlar tubs; but more importantly that 1000Kg does not include side windows/winders, rear window, roof, boot, heater, air-con, power steering, brake servo, ABS, door panels, carpets, sound-deadening etc etc. So I've always been a bit sceptical over the weights since I'm sure I couldn't make the Tuscan into a 'fully practical' road car for just a few 100Kg extra.
As to power, the Tuscan has been dyno'd at a true 500+ HP, so genuinely a 500Hp/tonne car...and so I'm going to be disappointed if the new car drops below 400hp/tonne. But if it's a revvy motor (as it should be with the Ford) it should feel OK on a 6-speed box I guess. With the power in the Tuscan being there throughout the rev range I don't think it feels that quick; I know it is quick because I can see how it performs against other cars on track, but without the high-rev rush of power...if anything, 500hp/tonne feels a bit docile to the extent I've run it on slicks and semi-slicks in the wet/damp.
So I am expecting it to be quite a bit heaver than quoted; I'm just hoping Cosworth have wrung a few more HP out the motor.
tvrolet said:
Off to see it on Saturday; here's hoping... I'm glad no spoilers have been posted as I certainly didn't want to go with any preconceived ideas.
But re the weight and power, my Tuscan (challenge-based, not road-car-based) was weighed for the SuperLap series at Knockhill at 1140Kg - but that included driver (a lardy me), race gear...and since I wanted it to be as heavy as possible to avoid power/weight penalties...that was with a full tank of fuel (50 litres) and of course all other fluids ready to go. That means the car alone is near-enough 1000Kg.
Now that's with a Chevrolet LS motor rather than a Ford, but an all-alloy LS. It's one of the later Challenge cars with the carbon/kevlar tubs; but more importantly that 1000Kg does not include side windows/winders, rear window, roof, boot, heater, air-con, power steering, brake servo, ABS, door panels, carpets, sound-deadening etc etc. So I've always been a bit sceptical over the weights since I'm sure I couldn't make the Tuscan into a 'fully practical' road car for just a few 100Kg extra.
As to power, the Tuscan has been dyno'd at a true 500+ HP, so genuinely a 500Hp/tonne car...and so I'm going to be disappointed if the new car drops below 400hp/tonne. But if it's a revvy motor (as it should be with the Ford) it should feel OK on a 6-speed box I guess. With the power in the Tuscan being there throughout the rev range I don't think it feels that quick; I know it is quick because I can see how it performs against other cars on track, but without the high-rev rush of power...if anything, 500hp/tonne feels a bit docile to the extent I've run it on slicks and semi-slicks in the wet/damp.
So I am expecting it to be quite a bit heaver than quoted; I'm just hoping Cosworth have wrung a few more HP out the motor.
the aero should make it interesting... It will be very interesting to see what they achieve with it. But re the weight and power, my Tuscan (challenge-based, not road-car-based) was weighed for the SuperLap series at Knockhill at 1140Kg - but that included driver (a lardy me), race gear...and since I wanted it to be as heavy as possible to avoid power/weight penalties...that was with a full tank of fuel (50 litres) and of course all other fluids ready to go. That means the car alone is near-enough 1000Kg.
Now that's with a Chevrolet LS motor rather than a Ford, but an all-alloy LS. It's one of the later Challenge cars with the carbon/kevlar tubs; but more importantly that 1000Kg does not include side windows/winders, rear window, roof, boot, heater, air-con, power steering, brake servo, ABS, door panels, carpets, sound-deadening etc etc. So I've always been a bit sceptical over the weights since I'm sure I couldn't make the Tuscan into a 'fully practical' road car for just a few 100Kg extra.
As to power, the Tuscan has been dyno'd at a true 500+ HP, so genuinely a 500Hp/tonne car...and so I'm going to be disappointed if the new car drops below 400hp/tonne. But if it's a revvy motor (as it should be with the Ford) it should feel OK on a 6-speed box I guess. With the power in the Tuscan being there throughout the rev range I don't think it feels that quick; I know it is quick because I can see how it performs against other cars on track, but without the high-rev rush of power...if anything, 500hp/tonne feels a bit docile to the extent I've run it on slicks and semi-slicks in the wet/damp.
So I am expecting it to be quite a bit heaver than quoted; I'm just hoping Cosworth have wrung a few more HP out the motor.
m4tti said:
Incognegro said:
All good to know. Although screw what the new car does my 4.5ss needs to see 452bhp to make 400 per ton (based on cerbera weight of 1130kg) and I want that at the wheels then I don't have to talk about how much I've spent, instead how much I've saved.
Ohh so only 500+ at the fly wheel, I think you need to start drinking now 
Incognegro said:
lol nah I'm t-total... ill save on alcohol and get a Mc 570GT in saying that the 540c comes up at 377/ton, if this car is realised its going to be a game changer for sure and I can see a new que for deposits being filled very quickly
Thing is without electronic diffs, gearboxes, active suspension etc you need monster power to compete with a lot of cars which have far less bhp/tonLook at this list
http://www.autosnout.com/Cars-Bhp-Per-Ton-List.php
Has anyone actually managed to smuggle out a sneaky photo of the bloody thing. This has to be the most protracted car launch in history. I don't have a deposit down and i' m getting sick of the wait. I can't exactly see porsche or ferrari copying the tvr business model. A tvr is a tvr and always will be hence the 400 potential owners buying on good faith.
quattrophenia said:
Has anyone actually managed to smuggle out a sneaky photo of the bloody thing. This has to be the most protracted car launch in history. I don't have a deposit down and i' m getting sick of the wait. I can't exactly see porsche or ferrari copying the tvr business model. A tvr is a tvr and always will be hence the 400 potential owners buying on good faith.
1 the deposit-holders who went have all had to sign non-disclosure agreements so why, exactly, would they want to "smuggle out a sneaky photo"?2 it is not a "car launch" yet. The public launch is Q3 2017.
3 getting sick of the wait? Sounds like you're actually getting excited in anticipation. So, maybe not such a stupid approach by TVR?
4 buying on good faith? No. There's no requirement to commit to buy until we have seen the running car and, from what I saw, we won't need much convincing.
BJWoods said:
the aero should make it interesting... It will be very interesting to see what they achieve with it.
Food for thought that shows what can be done with a manual front engine rwd road car that doesn't have an amazing power/weight ratio:-https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXOASqWt0Zo
RichardD said:
Food for thought that shows what can be done with a manual front engine rwd road car that doesn't have an amazing power/weight ratio:-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXOASqWt0Zo
It does it using this...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXOASqWt0Zo
"HANDLING
The Dodge Viper includes a single-mode high-performance suspension or available driver-selectable two-mode suspension featuring Bilstein® DampTronic® select shock absorbers with street and track settings. An available five-mode Electronic Stability Control System
1
with launch control helps drivers maintain control of the car under almost any operating condition."
m4tti said:
It does it using this...
"HANDLING
The Dodge Viper includes a single-mode high-performance suspension or available driver-selectable two-mode suspension featuring Bilstein® DampTronic® select shock absorbers with street and track settings. An available five-mode Electronic Stability Control System
1
with launch control helps drivers maintain control of the car under almost any operating condition."
Also known as 'With the aid of high tech electronics makes the driver think he is F1 level.'"HANDLING
The Dodge Viper includes a single-mode high-performance suspension or available driver-selectable two-mode suspension featuring Bilstein® DampTronic® select shock absorbers with street and track settings. An available five-mode Electronic Stability Control System
1
with launch control helps drivers maintain control of the car under almost any operating condition."
m4tti said:
It does it using this...
"HANDLING
The Dodge Viper includes a single-mode high-performance suspension or available driver-selectable two-mode suspension featuring Bilstein® DampTronic® select shock absorbers with street and track settings. An available five-mode Electronic Stability Control System
1
with launch control helps drivers maintain control of the car under almost any operating condition."
So you are suggesting that the reason a Viper ACR laps Laguna Seca in a quicker time than a P1 is because it has better damping than said McLaren?"HANDLING
The Dodge Viper includes a single-mode high-performance suspension or available driver-selectable two-mode suspension featuring Bilstein® DampTronic® select shock absorbers with street and track settings. An available five-mode Electronic Stability Control System
1
with launch control helps drivers maintain control of the car under almost any operating condition."
RichardD said:
m4tti said:
It does it using this...
"HANDLING
The Dodge Viper includes a single-mode high-performance suspension or available driver-selectable two-mode suspension featuring Bilstein® DampTronic® select shock absorbers with street and track settings. An available five-mode Electronic Stability Control System
1
with launch control helps drivers maintain control of the car under almost any operating condition."
So you are suggesting that the reason a Viper ACR laps Laguna Seca in a quicker time than a P1 is because it has better damping than said McLaren?"HANDLING
The Dodge Viper includes a single-mode high-performance suspension or available driver-selectable two-mode suspension featuring Bilstein® DampTronic® select shock absorbers with street and track settings. An available five-mode Electronic Stability Control System
1
with launch control helps drivers maintain control of the car under almost any operating condition."
ks and completely set up by an American magazine. Like asking you to out run me in a race to my en-suite from my garden shed. I'll win as I know my way round. The viper ACR does a Nurburgring time of 7:11.... a Lamborghini Huracan Performante does it in 6:52 if that helps add perspective
Edited by m4tti on Wednesday 22 March 13:25
DonkeyApple said:
V6Pushfit said:
And is that for a base model with 'usually ordered' options on top?
Isn't everything about the LE which is supposed to have the bulk of the options included?I'm sure that after the LE there will be none CF, none Cosworth models that will be notably cheaper and probably comprise the bulk of the sales.
No GM wasn't there, I'm guessing he isn't trying to steal TVR's thunder and isn't a guy who seeks the limelight anyway.
All the depositors I spoke to were mostly happy and all leaving their deposits on the car. There are a surprising number of folk who have never owned a TVR and indeed
have/do own some serious cars indeed one guy I spoke to is buying a new McLaren while he waits for the TVR.
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