New TVR still under wraps!
Discussion
TVRMs said:
Surely the name TVR is synonymous with poor quality and reliability??
I know your comments are often inflammatory, but really? What a stupid thing to say. What manufacturer would ever base their business model marketing on that? To me TVR stands for a high power, low weight, & OTT styling? In which case it seems to be 'on point'.If you're argument stacked up there would be very few brands that had changed ownership retained tangible links to their ancestry?
Boatbuoy said:
I know your comments are often inflammatory, but really? What a stupid thing to say. What manufacturer would ever base their business model marketing on that? To me TVR stands for a high power, low weight, & OTT styling? In which case it seems to be 'on point'.
If you're argument stacked up there would be very few brands that had changed ownership retained tangible links to their ancestry?
There you are, I never thought of my comments that way, always thought of them as being quite considered - based upon personal experience, however I was asking for feedback, which I got from some without a single toy being thrown. If you're argument stacked up there would be very few brands that had changed ownership retained tangible links to their ancestry?
No successful manufacturer would base their business model marketing on such a thing I agree, but the point is that link with poor quality and reliability for many potential customers does exist and I wondered why the new car manufacturer needed to go there.
As an aside are you sure the brand has changed hands....
Edited by anonymous-user on Thursday 23 March 15:15
TVRMs said:
No successful manufacturer would base their business model marketing on such a thing I agree, but the point is that link with poor quality and reliability for many potential customers does exist and I wondered why the new car manufacturer needed to go there.
Because building a new car brand from scratch is very, very expensive and there's no history to begin with. Even if you are being remembered for glue-smell and parts-falling off jokes, the point is, you are being remembered. If they get past that, and they are well aware of it and even adressed these points outright in interviews, getting bonus points for sympathy, it'll be quickly forgotten, but you get to keep all the heritage.Edited by TVRMs on Thursday 23 March 15:15
bullittmcqueen said:
Because building a new car brand from scratch is very, very expensive and there's no history to begin with. Even if you are being remembered for glue-smell and parts-falling off jokes, the point is, you are being remembered. If they get past that, and they are well aware of it and even adressed these points outright in interviews, getting bonus points for sympathy, it'll be quickly forgotten, but you get to keep all the heritage.
I can buy that, never thought of the honest underdog approach. bullittmcqueen said:
TVRMs said:
I can buy that, never thought of the honest underdog approach.
It works. I'm sure a few people I've been mentioning the glue-smell-thing to will immediately think of TVR when they smell glue. 
What a day to quit sniffing glue!
Surely the name TVR is synonymous with poor quality and reliability??
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Hopefully,from a seasoned TIV owner that`s a tongue in cheek observation.. however from a non believer it`s a red rag...
For me,the flawed but exciting has it hands down over the dull but accomplished... TVR`s have always fulfilled that agenda.
It's not tongue in cheek at all, it's what I've been hearing for the last 40 years of ownership and it's largely from owners of the dull but accomplished...
Curiosity got the better of me, as it's not clear from your profile, have you ever owned a TVR?
Curiosity got the better of me, as it's not clear from your profile, have you ever owned a TVR?
Edited by anonymous-user on Thursday 23 March 20:54
TVRMs said:
It's not tongue in cheek at all, it's what I've been hearing for the last 40 years of ownership and it's largely from owners of the dull but accomplished...
Curiosity got the better of me, as it's not clear from your profile, have you ever owned a TVR?
I've never had that from people in the last 20 years. I don't recall any negative comments about the Griff. The T350 used to get called 'the shoe' as apparently it resembled a black brogue and several people have used the term 'ginger monstrosity' in recent years but I'm not wholly convinced they were referring to the car as I was walking at the time. Curiosity got the better of me, as it's not clear from your profile, have you ever owned a TVR?
Edited by TVRMs on Thursday 23 March 20:54
We all know that our cars have weaknesses. I'm convinced that much of it was down to how people drive them and looked after them as mine have always been garaged and driven with mechanical sympathy and surprisingly I've never had any issues that weren't acceptable wear and tear. But despite the best efforts of the cockwomble monkeyboy who slapped excess glue around the cabin of the T350 I've not been on the receiving end of the canoe or trailer jokes.
HarryW said:
I was surprised at the variety in the car park too, there was amongst the TVR's three fezzers; a 488, an FF and a proper 246 classic Dino, what do they go for nowdays £300k+. A smattering of Astons, including Smee with his GT8 too, overall a good eclectic selection of car nuts imho.
Glad I wasn't in that session with my humble Wedge. So we're they probably. spartridge said:
Cracker or a race,congratulations to Whitaker, Jordan and Nigel Rubens... sadly the video of the full race has been withdrawn.Edited by Flatdash on Thursday 23 March 23:38
TVRMs said:
It's not tongue in cheek at all, it's what I've been hearing for the last 40 years of ownership and it's largely from owners of the dull but accomplished...
Curiosity got the better of me, as it's not clear from your profile, have you ever owned a TVR?
I`m sure all of us have heard of TVR unreliability.. generously shared by that knowledgeable group who`ve never owned one !!!Curiosity got the better of me, as it's not clear from your profile, have you ever owned a TVR?
Edited by TVRMs on Thursday 23 March 20:54
Congratulations,40 years bearing the cross of the TVR mantle in the face of informed opinion.. well done.
Yes.
Flatdash said:
I`m sure all of us have heard of TVR unreliability.. generously shared by that knowledgeable group who`ve never owned one !!!
Congratulations,40 years bearing the cross of the TVR mantle in the face of informed opinion.. well done.
Yes.
That's kind of where I was coming from, but's it's not all rumour. Congratulations,40 years bearing the cross of the TVR mantle in the face of informed opinion.. well done.
Yes.
Ask folk that went through the early speed 6 saga...and it went to T350 build too.I'll not bother with trying to labour my point anymore as it's a difficult point to get it across via key board.
Just to say hope all this weekends viewers are as fired up post visit as last weekends peeps were.
Edited by anonymous-user on Friday 24th March 07:01
For all the reliability and glue jokes, TVR had a far stronger media presence than they had any right to given their market volume through much of the '90s and '00s. Even after the factory closed, God knows how many magazines have been sold on the strength of covers announcing a return of the brand... Then you have the video games, Swordfish et cetera.
Best thing is that unlike just about any other brand standing, the message that the observer got from literally every piece that appeares is simple and succinct - 'yes, parts may fall off and you might fall off the road in it if you don't pay attention - but it's the most exciting thing on wheels, and you can probably afford it, too!' In an age of conformity, many brands (automotive or not) would kill for a brand image like it.
Best thing is that unlike just about any other brand standing, the message that the observer got from literally every piece that appeares is simple and succinct - 'yes, parts may fall off and you might fall off the road in it if you don't pay attention - but it's the most exciting thing on wheels, and you can probably afford it, too!' In an age of conformity, many brands (automotive or not) would kill for a brand image like it.
Big respect to TVR, think they are being very smart :-
TVR have a fantastic public following, the enthusiasm by Joe public is amazing when out in my 20 year old Chimaera - the elephant in the room is the “is it not very reliable”. The build quality speaks for itself, take a look at a 20 year old Lotus.
With a huge public following, that's the marketing sorted, and by dropping Gordon Murrey and Cosworth into the mix surly that takes care of the reliability question.
Keeping a tight lid on everything is working incredibly well, and gagging the doom and gloom mongers who are waiting to have a pop which would remove the wheels before the car made it out of the factory
All that needs to happen now is for a stunning car to be revealed, what can possibly go wrong ?
TVR have a fantastic public following, the enthusiasm by Joe public is amazing when out in my 20 year old Chimaera - the elephant in the room is the “is it not very reliable”. The build quality speaks for itself, take a look at a 20 year old Lotus.
With a huge public following, that's the marketing sorted, and by dropping Gordon Murrey and Cosworth into the mix surly that takes care of the reliability question.
Keeping a tight lid on everything is working incredibly well, and gagging the doom and gloom mongers who are waiting to have a pop which would remove the wheels before the car made it out of the factory
All that needs to happen now is for a stunning car to be revealed, what can possibly go wrong ?
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