New TVR still under wraps!
Discussion
350Matt said:
Have you driven one of these new 'stangs'?
I was very disappointed, it a great woofly, wallowly barge of a car. Don't get me wrong a 700bhp version would be a giggle but its not a sports car
yeah I appreciate different kind of car but at nearly half the cost of the new TVR it will be worthy of consideration. I want a car I can drive on the road and enjoy in Scotland, Northern Spain or down to the Alps, not round Silverstone or Nurburgring. I was very disappointed, it a great woofly, wallowly barge of a car. Don't get me wrong a 700bhp version would be a giggle but its not a sports car
I just hope the cost is nearer £60-65k in which case I will still go for it.
KevinCamaroSS said:
Not really. Both are 'special' cars that you would not drive everyday. Would I like to have another TVR? Yes. Would I swap my Camaro for a Mustang? Yes. Both cars have V8s and are special, so, not so different really.
My next car is likely to be a 2012/13 GT500 Shelby Mustang. The GT500 new is likely to be £65-70K in the UK ready to go.
Interesting how some say I wouldnt have a yank muscle car, I want a sports car not a GT car. I read that the new 2016 Camaro ZL1 went around the Nurburgring quicker than a Koenigseeegge thing. 650 bhp from supercharged 6.2 V8 out of the Corvette and a lighter new chassis. Now that is something I would spend £65k on! My next car is likely to be a 2012/13 GT500 Shelby Mustang. The GT500 new is likely to be £65-70K in the UK ready to go.
PowersPerformance said:
IP is only covered for genuine TVR parts not Powers parts... we are here for the long term so I'm hoping TVR prove me wrong and produce a car for Power to offer after market upgrades...
Dom
No doubt there will be an excellent opportunity to offer the Powers Performance package to the standard new TVR in the same way that Shelby do Mustang and Hennessey do for Camaro/Corvette etc. Buyers of the new 'base' level TVR can then go to Powers Performance for the upgrades including the supercharger on the engine instead of taking the TVR upgrades. I dont know of any plan for TVR to supercharge the new car so definitely an opening there for someone like Powers to do it. Thats the benefit of TVR using main manufactured Ford engine. Dom
TVRMs said:
I'm not aware of the contractual agreement folk have entered into regarding deposits or how robust it is.
Deposits were taken on the basis that at any time the depositeer (as TVR likes to call them) can have their money back at any stage or can sell their deposit on to another person if they wish. There will obviously come a point in time, probably within a few months from the reveal, when TVR will write to those depositeers to inform them that they now need to commit to buying the car or have their money returned. A further non returnable deposit to secure the delivery slot no doubt also payable with final payment on delivery. I look forward to seeing the car on Sunday and learning of the spec, build time table and very importantly, the final cost.
bullittmcqueen said:
http://www.dft.gov.uk/vca/vehicletype/ec-small-ser...
They are going for EC Small Series Type Approval, aren't they ? Am i right that that means max. 1000 Cars / Year ?
"The production limit for both cars and light vans / light trucks is 1000 per type each year in the whole of the EU."
I always had something like 2500 in the back of my head.
I think the low volume type approval allows for up to 2000 units per annumThey are going for EC Small Series Type Approval, aren't they ? Am i right that that means max. 1000 Cars / Year ?
"The production limit for both cars and light vans / light trucks is 1000 per type each year in the whole of the EU."
I always had something like 2500 in the back of my head.
SpeedBuzz said:
So do you know if that is the List price with VAT or on the road price and what the likely CO emissions will be?
Obviously the new Car Tax comes into play and its all about setting expectations when you get the final invoice.
I assume the CO2 emissions will be similar to the Mustang as that is what the engine is from. High first year cost £2000 then the £140 per annum plus five year penalty of £340 as the car is over £40k so £450 per annum until 6th year when it drops the standard £140. Obviously the new Car Tax comes into play and its all about setting expectations when you get the final invoice.
BeastMaster said:
Max_Torque said:
Does it? Good design is one small part of 'high reliability' the other parts, which for an typical passenger car are actually much more onerous, are the Build and Validation programs that leverage that high reliability design.
The reason something like a Small modern hatchback is more reliable than ever before, despite being something like 10x as complex as ever before is due in no small part to the massive validation program for that design and the pre-production / continuous quality validation of the supply and manufacture/build programs.
All those things cost vast sums of money!
Of course it does - because Gordon Murray and Cosworth are not going to allow TVR to ruin their reputation by building a dog in the same way Norman Foster would not allow his building designs to be marred by cowboy builders !!!The reason something like a Small modern hatchback is more reliable than ever before, despite being something like 10x as complex as ever before is due in no small part to the massive validation program for that design and the pre-production / continuous quality validation of the supply and manufacture/build programs.
All those things cost vast sums of money!
The new TVR (like all that have gone before) is not going to be, or expected to be a high reliability design like a modern small hatchback – it will be as TVR models that have gone before, a low volume, value for money high performance car first.
Anyway – it was never the design of the cars that caused the unreliability of them it was the build quality caused by rushing the things into the market place, something which is not happening today – so a good sign.
A massive and costly validation program and pre production process is no guarantee of high reliability and would make a low volume production run totally cost prohibitive, while also being pointless for such a narrow focused car.
bullittmcqueen said:
Small Series Type Approval, which they are going for, allows for 1000 cars per year in the entire EU per type. I guess that they will have the convertible as the second type to double the possible sales. Coupe only must not exceed 1000 cars/year in all of the EU. Not sure what Brexit will do with this, but i cannot imagine them ignoring european/international markets after Brexit.
Les said low volume type approval allowed up to 2000 units per annumSeriously though, I understand that there was a car unveiling recently - was anything said about timescales and when the first cars would roll of the production line?
Did anyone see anything that resemble a factory?
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Full production scheduled for 2018.
Factory is in South Wales and will be up and running early 2018. I would imagine the first few cars produced for press launch etc will be assembled at GMD workshops.
VULCANT said:
Does anyone know what the process is for securing a LE car - i've not put a deposit down yet because I missed the initial window for the LE cars. Should I place one for the 'regular' version and hope to be upgraded - or will orders for the LE open online as soon as it's revealed?
You can still put a deposit on the LE car. Look on TVR Web site under new carcypriot said:
thats more an orange colour.....love it! So they have two cars built? VULCANT said:
Placed deposit online for a LE car -
A few questions - does this mean I've definitely secured a car? (I have my deposit receipt etc). Do we know when the balance of the car will be due? Do we know rough delivery schedules?
yes you have secured a LE car if you have the deposit receipt. Delivery now saying 2019 and as you are at the bottom end of the list of 500 I would imagine you will get delivery end of 2019. No information yet on when any further payment is due. Well done and congratulations!A few questions - does this mean I've definitely secured a car? (I have my deposit receipt etc). Do we know when the balance of the car will be due? Do we know rough delivery schedules?
Whitenoise1 said:
I like it. A lot!
I think the colour was a bad choice makes it look a lot like a GT86. Anyone else see that?
I had a GT86, lovely looking car. I think the colour was a bad choice makes it look a lot like a GT86. Anyone else see that?
Profile is similar but put a profile up of the T350 and it will also look similar.
I dont think red is the best colour choice for the launch though. the photos in Autocar show the car as a rusty orange colour which looks way better IMO
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