New TVR still under wraps!
Discussion
V8 Fettler said:
Has British ambition faded over the years? The Corvette is the marker for the new TVR, and - in the spirit of Wheeler (and Chapman) - the 'ring TVR might just be a bit lighter and a bit more powerful than the "standard" TVR. It might even have a few other features that don't feature on the "standard" TVR. Although of course it would be a "standard" TVR.
The advertising copy would be priceless.
As much as I like this romantic delusion the reason why heavy higher powered cars are getting round faster is due to hugely complex drive trains which are constantly monitored by numerous sensors and that input fed back to what amounts to small computing processors. So although the copy would be priceless it ain't going to happen as people like mclaren do it via charging several hundred thousand for a car and Nissan do it with their huge funding and ability to soak up low revenue on a flag ship venture. The advertising copy would be priceless.
Radical do it with a smal package with huge aero aids.
At the price point suggested they certainly won't have a trick drive train. Apart from sending a car which has no real relation to the proposed road car it's not going to happen. Oh and the above two examples field road cars which are then verified.
m4tti said:
As much as I like this romantic delusion the reason why heavy higher powered cars are getting round faster is due to hugely complex drive trains which are constantly monitored by numerous sensors and that input fed back to what amounts to small computing processors. So although the copy would be priceless it ain't going to happen as people like mclaren do it via charging several hundred thousand for a car and Nissan do it with their huge funding and ability to soak up low revenue on a flag ship venture.
Radical do it with a smal package with huge aero aids.
At the price point suggested they certainly won't have a trick drive train. Apart from sending a car which has no real relation to the proposed road car it's not going to happen. Oh and the above two examples field road cars which are then verified.
How many gizmos does the lardy Corvette have? Haven't the Yanks only just stopped using cart springs?Radical do it with a smal package with huge aero aids.
At the price point suggested they certainly won't have a trick drive train. Apart from sending a car which has no real relation to the proposed road car it's not going to happen. Oh and the above two examples field road cars which are then verified.
I don't think there would be any need for a 'ring TVR to be verified by anyone except TVR...
Cars like TVR just cannot compete in the Ring time game. They can't even compete at traffic light Grand Prix.
It will never be the cheapest, or most fancy, or grippiest, or fastest, or least CO2, or best finance package etc. It simply can't compete on any of the conventional consumer metrics.
It really does boil down to the ever so esoteric metric of smiles per mile. The best time that TVR marketing should publish should be the time it takes to drive down a really great bit of road while stopping at a good pub for lunch and it should be a time around 6 hours.
No one is going to buy a TVR for a specific metric, it's really going to be a lifestyle purchase. £80k for a rare car with a fantastic soundtrack, an air or hooliganism, that makes you smile when you open the garage door and makes others smile when they just walk passed. There won't be any real logic to buying a TVR other than pure fun.
It will never be the cheapest, or most fancy, or grippiest, or fastest, or least CO2, or best finance package etc. It simply can't compete on any of the conventional consumer metrics.
It really does boil down to the ever so esoteric metric of smiles per mile. The best time that TVR marketing should publish should be the time it takes to drive down a really great bit of road while stopping at a good pub for lunch and it should be a time around 6 hours.
No one is going to buy a TVR for a specific metric, it's really going to be a lifestyle purchase. £80k for a rare car with a fantastic soundtrack, an air or hooliganism, that makes you smile when you open the garage door and makes others smile when they just walk passed. There won't be any real logic to buying a TVR other than pure fun.
DonkeyApple said:
Cars like TVR just cannot compete in the Ring time game. They can't even compete at traffic light Grand Prix.
It will never be the cheapest, or most fancy, or grippiest, or fastest, or least CO2, or best finance package etc. It simply can't compete on any of the conventional consumer metrics.
It really does boil down to the ever so esoteric metric of smiles per mile. The best time that TVR marketing should publish should be the time it takes to drive down a really great bit of road while stopping at a good pub for lunch and it should be a time around 6 hours.
No one is going to buy a TVR for a specific metric, it's really going to be a lifestyle purchase. £80k for a rare car with a fantastic soundtrack, an air or hooliganism, that makes you smile when you open the garage door and makes others smile when they just walk passed. There won't be any real logic to buying a TVR other than pure fun.
Not forgetting it takes at least 2 hours to get a pint of milk on a sunny Sunday morning.......It will never be the cheapest, or most fancy, or grippiest, or fastest, or least CO2, or best finance package etc. It simply can't compete on any of the conventional consumer metrics.
It really does boil down to the ever so esoteric metric of smiles per mile. The best time that TVR marketing should publish should be the time it takes to drive down a really great bit of road while stopping at a good pub for lunch and it should be a time around 6 hours.
No one is going to buy a TVR for a specific metric, it's really going to be a lifestyle purchase. £80k for a rare car with a fantastic soundtrack, an air or hooliganism, that makes you smile when you open the garage door and makes others smile when they just walk passed. There won't be any real logic to buying a TVR other than pure fun.
DonkeyApple said:
Cars like TVR just cannot compete in the Ring time game. They can't even compete at traffic light Grand Prix.
It will never be the cheapest, or most fancy, or grippiest, or fastest, or least CO2, or best finance package etc. It simply can't compete on any of the conventional consumer metrics.
It really does boil down to the ever so esoteric metric of smiles per mile. The best time that TVR marketing should publish should be the time it takes to drive down a really great bit of road while stopping at a good pub for lunch and it should be a time around 6 hours.
No one is going to buy a TVR for a specific metric, it's really going to be a lifestyle purchase. £80k for a rare car with a fantastic soundtrack, an air or hooliganism, that makes you smile when you open the garage door and makes others smile when they just walk passed. There won't be any real logic to buying a TVR other than pure fun.
+1 what DA said...and that is the niche they will slot into, otherwise it will fail. It will never be the cheapest, or most fancy, or grippiest, or fastest, or least CO2, or best finance package etc. It simply can't compete on any of the conventional consumer metrics.
It really does boil down to the ever so esoteric metric of smiles per mile. The best time that TVR marketing should publish should be the time it takes to drive down a really great bit of road while stopping at a good pub for lunch and it should be a time around 6 hours.
No one is going to buy a TVR for a specific metric, it's really going to be a lifestyle purchase. £80k for a rare car with a fantastic soundtrack, an air or hooliganism, that makes you smile when you open the garage door and makes others smile when they just walk passed. There won't be any real logic to buying a TVR other than pure fun.
I think TVR has always been about the whole experience and package. It's not just about lap times, which seems to have engulfed all new sports/GT cars these days.
Let's hope it wows and meets expectations, I can't wait to hear it and see it. Hurry up with those preview dates Les!
What TVRs have on offer goes beyond all the usual metrics - it's owning something trim and deliciously curvecaous with a just a hint of menace in a time that every other new car seems to be a hideously overblown, gratuituously aggressive road hogging thing. It's the symphony of mechanical, induction and exhaust sounds - loud, yes, but also very intricate and multi-layered where performance cars nowadays seem to be all about shock and fart. It's the intimacy and the outrageous design of the cabin. But most of all, it's the feeling that you're part of this amazing, bonkers machine as it goes down the road.
It's such a totally absorbing experience that you forgive the indifferent way in which it's put together or the odd, frustrating glitch that rears it's ugly head in a totally random fashion.
It's the closest thing, I guess, to owning one of the big-league 1960s sports racers - but one that grips and brakes like a modern car, isn't drafty or overly leaky; that you can use to get away for the weekend, or a week, with your other half and all your luggage, that works most of the time and at worst costs thousands instead of second mortgage money if it doesn't.
Does a Singer Porsche or Eagle E-type for several hundred thousand pounds *really* offer modern supercar performance? Of course they don't, but they're close enough for it being irrelevant on our roads, and for people like us they offer so much more at all the 'intangibles' that people happily pay amounts for them that would also have got them in the driver's seat of the fastest modern hypercars.
Take a zero off the price tags and correspondingly compromise on the jewel-like/'concours' build quality in favour of a more workmanlike approach, and you are at TVR (new and old) heartland. The competition for TVR is not a GT-R or a new Porsche, the competition is likely a classic Brit sports car or building some sort of project car like an outlaw 911.
It's such a totally absorbing experience that you forgive the indifferent way in which it's put together or the odd, frustrating glitch that rears it's ugly head in a totally random fashion.
It's the closest thing, I guess, to owning one of the big-league 1960s sports racers - but one that grips and brakes like a modern car, isn't drafty or overly leaky; that you can use to get away for the weekend, or a week, with your other half and all your luggage, that works most of the time and at worst costs thousands instead of second mortgage money if it doesn't.
Does a Singer Porsche or Eagle E-type for several hundred thousand pounds *really* offer modern supercar performance? Of course they don't, but they're close enough for it being irrelevant on our roads, and for people like us they offer so much more at all the 'intangibles' that people happily pay amounts for them that would also have got them in the driver's seat of the fastest modern hypercars.
Take a zero off the price tags and correspondingly compromise on the jewel-like/'concours' build quality in favour of a more workmanlike approach, and you are at TVR (new and old) heartland. The competition for TVR is not a GT-R or a new Porsche, the competition is likely a classic Brit sports car or building some sort of project car like an outlaw 911.
DonkeyApple said:
HarryW said:
Not forgetting it takes at least 2 hours to get a pint of milk on a sunny Sunday morning.......
That's your marketing line there: 'How long does it take YOU to buy a pint of milk?' 900T-R said:
What TVRs have on offer goes beyond all the usual metrics - it's owning something trim and deliciously curvecaous with a just a hint of menace in a time that every other new car seems to be a hideously overblown, gratuituously aggressive road hogging thing. It's the symphony of mechanical, induction and exhaust sounds - loud, yes, but also very intricate and multi-layered where performance cars nowadays seem to be all about shock and fart. It's the intimacy and the outrageous design of the cabin. But most of all, it's the feeling that you're part of this amazing, bonkers machine as it goes down the road.
It's such a totally absorbing experience that you forgive the indifferent way in which it's put together or the odd, frustrating glitch that rears it's ugly head in a totally random fashion.
It's the closest thing, I guess, to owning one of the big-league 1960s sports racers - but one that grips and brakes like a modern car, isn't drafty or overly leaky; that you can use to get away for the weekend, or a week, with your other half and all your luggage, that works most of the time and at worst costs thousands instead of second mortgage money if it doesn't.
Does a Singer Porsche or Eagle E-type for several hundred thousand pounds *really* offer modern supercar performance? Of course they don't, but they're close enough for it being irrelevant on our roads, and for people like us they offer so much more at all the 'intangibles' that people happily pay amounts for them that would also have got them in the driver's seat of the fastest modern hypercars.
Take a zero off the price tags and correspondingly compromise on the jewel-like/'concours' build quality in favour of a more workmanlike approach, and you are at TVR (new and old) heartland. The competition for TVR is not a GT-R or a new Porsche, the competition is likely a classic Brit sports car or building some sort of project car like an outlaw 911.
That is a perfect summary of the way I feel about my ownership of this!!!It's such a totally absorbing experience that you forgive the indifferent way in which it's put together or the odd, frustrating glitch that rears it's ugly head in a totally random fashion.
It's the closest thing, I guess, to owning one of the big-league 1960s sports racers - but one that grips and brakes like a modern car, isn't drafty or overly leaky; that you can use to get away for the weekend, or a week, with your other half and all your luggage, that works most of the time and at worst costs thousands instead of second mortgage money if it doesn't.
Does a Singer Porsche or Eagle E-type for several hundred thousand pounds *really* offer modern supercar performance? Of course they don't, but they're close enough for it being irrelevant on our roads, and for people like us they offer so much more at all the 'intangibles' that people happily pay amounts for them that would also have got them in the driver's seat of the fastest modern hypercars.
Take a zero off the price tags and correspondingly compromise on the jewel-like/'concours' build quality in favour of a more workmanlike approach, and you are at TVR (new and old) heartland. The competition for TVR is not a GT-R or a new Porsche, the competition is likely a classic Brit sports car or building some sort of project car like an outlaw 911.
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FarmyardPants said:
DonkeyApple said:
HarryW said:
Not forgetting it takes at least 2 hours to get a pint of milk on a sunny Sunday morning.......
That's your marketing line there: 'How long does it take YOU to buy a pint of milk?' FarmyardPants said:
DonkeyApple said:
HarryW said:
Not forgetting it takes at least 2 hours to get a pint of milk on a sunny Sunday morning.......
That's your marketing line there: 'How long does it take YOU to buy a pint of milk?' 
FarmyardPants said:
DonkeyApple said:
HarryW said:
Not forgetting it takes at least 2 hours to get a pint of milk on a sunny Sunday morning.......
That's your marketing line there: 'How long does it take YOU to buy a pint of milk?' DonkeyApple said:
Cars like TVR just cannot compete in the Ring time game. They can't even compete at traffic light Grand Prix.
It will never be the cheapest, or most fancy, or grippiest, or fastest, or least CO2, or best finance package etc. It simply can't compete on any of the conventional consumer metrics.
It really does boil down to the ever so esoteric metric of smiles per mile. The best time that TVR marketing should publish should be the time it takes to drive down a really great bit of road while stopping at a good pub for lunch and it should be a time around 6 hours.
No one is going to buy a TVR for a specific metric, it's really going to be a lifestyle purchase. £80k for a rare car with a fantastic soundtrack, an air or hooliganism, that makes you smile when you open the garage door and makes others smile when they just walk passed. There won't be any real logic to buying a TVR other than pure fun.
As was said about the Corvette for many years. It will never be the cheapest, or most fancy, or grippiest, or fastest, or least CO2, or best finance package etc. It simply can't compete on any of the conventional consumer metrics.
It really does boil down to the ever so esoteric metric of smiles per mile. The best time that TVR marketing should publish should be the time it takes to drive down a really great bit of road while stopping at a good pub for lunch and it should be a time around 6 hours.
No one is going to buy a TVR for a specific metric, it's really going to be a lifestyle purchase. £80k for a rare car with a fantastic soundtrack, an air or hooliganism, that makes you smile when you open the garage door and makes others smile when they just walk passed. There won't be any real logic to buying a TVR other than pure fun.
TVR could certainly sell some cars on the basis of the lifestyle image, they would sell an awful lot more if a particular TVR posted a memorable 'ring time. Traffic light Grand Prix? I would hope that a 1000kg TVR with 500+ bhp would give a good account of itself in a straight line against the lardy cars.
Yep. I once was left standing from the lights by an M135i with two thirds the power/weight and a 4.9s 0-60. Nearing the top of second gear's reach I stopped losing ground but then I realised we were doing well over twice the speed limit there. 
Unless you're the one doing the baiting and have Stig-like reflexes, you'll always lose out against something sporting vaguely similar grunt with launch control and paddle shift. Simple as that.
Unless you're the one doing the baiting and have Stig-like reflexes, you'll always lose out against something sporting vaguely similar grunt with launch control and paddle shift. Simple as that.
DonkeyApple said:
It would get mullered by a cheap awd sports car. No launch co trol, no automatic gear changes, only 2 wheels trying to get the power down and all the weight of the engine over the the wrong wheels. Much cheaper, much more generic kit will always beat it at that game.
Depends on the traffic lights. For advertising copy, an updated version of the Cerb vs the rest over a standing start mile would be a good start.Whatever happened to British ambition?
V8 Fettler said:
Depends on the traffic lights. For advertising copy, an updated version of the Cerb vs the rest over a standing start mile would be a good start.
Whatever happened to British ambition?
As DA mentions unless they equip it with active ride, launch control, fancy torque biasing drive train, paddle shift etc things like a chipped AMG A45 hatch back are going to keep up off the lights or beat it. Whatever happened to British ambition?
Worlds moved on from 1996 I'm afraid, and ambition has to be replaced with realism if this thing isn't going to bomb.
The only niche car that can deal with just about any thing and every thing is the radical rxc.. It's light, but still needs quaiffe paddle shift and employs string aero.
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