New TVR still under wraps!
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It's an interesting point, regarding the new TVR not being able to spank all rivals this time round, for half the price.
But as I was wading through the classifieds, looking for mint 205 gti's, this got me thinking.
For the same money, I could buy a more modern hot hatch, that would be superior to the poor old pug in almost every way, 0-60/100, handling, comfort, reliability, safety etc, etc..
But, I want the thrill, the overall experience, the character of the car,and being light and raw is a huge part of the appeal.
This is what TVR is all about, although not quite as extreme, as it will be an epic drive, and very competitive in it's class.
A bit like the Toyota GT86, that was a brave move, quick enough, but not class leading, focusing on driver fun, and overall experience. It's nothing like a TVR, but goes to show that not everyone is after the fastest car around the ring, or looking for the top trump, as you see enough of these around.
I hope it succeeds, regardless of ultimate performance.
But as I was wading through the classifieds, looking for mint 205 gti's, this got me thinking.
For the same money, I could buy a more modern hot hatch, that would be superior to the poor old pug in almost every way, 0-60/100, handling, comfort, reliability, safety etc, etc..
But, I want the thrill, the overall experience, the character of the car,and being light and raw is a huge part of the appeal.
This is what TVR is all about, although not quite as extreme, as it will be an epic drive, and very competitive in it's class.
A bit like the Toyota GT86, that was a brave move, quick enough, but not class leading, focusing on driver fun, and overall experience. It's nothing like a TVR, but goes to show that not everyone is after the fastest car around the ring, or looking for the top trump, as you see enough of these around.
I hope it succeeds, regardless of ultimate performance.
I think it would make for some good hype/marketing for a prototype to be nabbed lapping the ring for "endurance testing". However as others have said, it's not really in with a chance posting a blistering lap time. It's just won't have the gadgetry to make it possible. I expect it to be able to post a very fast time, but not a headline grabber given how high bar has been set. Much like any TVR before actually. Just look at Top Gear lap times for some pointers. Very fast, but well down the list.
Having said that I'd be impressed if it cracked 7:45 as that puts it amongst some very serious machinery.
Having said that I'd be impressed if it cracked 7:45 as that puts it amongst some very serious machinery.
SPS said:
Frankly - I don't give a damn my dears - it's a TVR and that is good enough for me.
When I get in my daily - it's nice and drives well enough - but when I get the TVR out of the garage I already have a smile on my face and then I fire it up................
Nuff said.
Do you push it out of the garage then... When I get in my daily - it's nice and drives well enough - but when I get the TVR out of the garage I already have a smile on my face and then I fire it up................
Nuff said.
HarryW said:
900T-R said:
With the small distinction that you can actually buy a TVR, and not a GT4 (at least, not anywhere near list price 
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True, ). 1. The GT4 was a limited run that listed at £65k. Vs The LE is a limited run that lists at ?
2. The GT4 now commands £100k. Vs The LE which will do well to not drop 20% in the first year.
3. The GT4 is a no nonsense back to basics sports car Vs The LE aim is the same.
4. The GT4 used proven GT3 know how. Vs The LE which has not yet been prototyped, but has GM doing the dynamics.
And so on...
In 2016, to be as good as the best you need not just brilliant engineers, but also access to good facilities, good data processors, good procedures, repeatable, reliable data acquisition, and above all, lots and lots of time to calibrate and optimise your car, and that all costs money. Lots and lots of money!
m4tti said:
It's a bit early to have been drinking. What are you on about. The latest corvette has active suspension and electronic diff
Have a read..
3) The C7’s eLSD (electronic limited-slip differential) goes from open to full lock in tenths of a second.
Dubbed eLSD in GM speak, the suggestively named diff comes standard with the Z51 Performance Package, and employs a hydraulically actuated clutch that infinitely varies the amount of engagement, going from open to full lock in tenths of a second. Fully integrated with the stability-control and Performance Traction Management systems, the system controls the differential according to an algorithm that factors in vehicle speed, steering input, and throttle position.
What was the C7's time at the 'ring?Have a read..
3) The C7’s eLSD (electronic limited-slip differential) goes from open to full lock in tenths of a second.
Dubbed eLSD in GM speak, the suggestively named diff comes standard with the Z51 Performance Package, and employs a hydraulically actuated clutch that infinitely varies the amount of engagement, going from open to full lock in tenths of a second. Fully integrated with the stability-control and Performance Traction Management systems, the system controls the differential according to an algorithm that factors in vehicle speed, steering input, and throttle position.
swerni said:
The implications of your sentence was the Vette was bloated, gizmo filled and yet backwards.
Maybe I misread what you meant
The TVR's of yesteryear are no comparison to the Vette.
The new TVR would be a better bench mark, which is set to be 1200+ KG??
The sentence was very straight forward. Why don't you do a gizmo list for the 'ring Corvette in comparison with the fast Datsun?Maybe I misread what you meant
The TVR's of yesteryear are no comparison to the Vette.
The new TVR would be a better bench mark, which is set to be 1200+ KG??
I would hope that - with British ingenuity - the 'ring TVR would be around 1000kgs.
DonkeyApple said:
When was it ever relevant in TVR's history?
Besides the whole Ring marketing mania thing has been and gone while TVR has been dormant. It ended with McLaren's invented lap time.
Historically, going fast has always been relevant for TVRs; if it's less important in 2016 then that's a shame.Besides the whole Ring marketing mania thing has been and gone while TVR has been dormant. It ended with McLaren's invented lap time.
If the 'ring is unimportant then why have Koenigsegg, Porsche and others already invested resource in 'ring time this year?
swerni said:
Target is 400bhp per tonne.
Engine set to produce 450 to 500 bhp. Seeing as it produces 435bhp as standard, you'd expect it to be at the higher end of that estimation
You do the maths as to weight.
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BHP is irrelevant. It's all about torque and that's what they are focusing on...from the lips of Les.Engine set to produce 450 to 500 bhp. Seeing as it produces 435bhp as standard, you'd expect it to be at the higher end of that estimation
You do the maths as to weight.
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ShiDevil said:
swerni said:
Target is 400bhp per tonne.
Engine set to produce 450 to 500 bhp. Seeing as it produces 435bhp as standard, you'd expect it to be at the higher end of that estimation
You do the maths as to weight.
I
BHP is irrelevant. It's all about torque and that's what they are focusing on...from the lips of Les.Engine set to produce 450 to 500 bhp. Seeing as it produces 435bhp as standard, you'd expect it to be at the higher end of that estimation
You do the maths as to weight.
I
The vast majority of people commenting here are long time TVR owners, but for the new TVR to be a success they have to sell not only to us, but also to those that have never bought a TVR. To my mind that is hard part, so I thought it’d be interesting to see why we all bought our first TVR’s, perhaps as a pointer to attracting new buyers.
In my case it was a Taimar, in 1980, and having previously lived with a Lotus Elan that was always going wrong and costing more than I had at the time to keep it on the road, I was looking for three things – performance per £, sporty looks, fun to drive and more solid engineering than Lotus at the time. Yes, TVR’s were/are not as reliable as some makes, but I can count the number of roadside breakdowns in over 30 years on one hand.
My reasons for buying TVR’s haven’t changed much over the years, but what about you?
In my case it was a Taimar, in 1980, and having previously lived with a Lotus Elan that was always going wrong and costing more than I had at the time to keep it on the road, I was looking for three things – performance per £, sporty looks, fun to drive and more solid engineering than Lotus at the time. Yes, TVR’s were/are not as reliable as some makes, but I can count the number of roadside breakdowns in over 30 years on one hand.
My reasons for buying TVR’s haven’t changed much over the years, but what about you?
swerni said:
Target is 400bhp per tonne.
Engine set to produce 450 to 500 bhp. Seeing as it produces 435bhp as standard, you'd expect it to be at the higher end of that estimation
You do the maths as to weight.
I
The Germans fitted a roof on the 918 for a sub-7 second lap, so I would hope that the 'ring TVR might be a bit lighter and a bit more powerful than TVR's figures for the "standard" car. Engine set to produce 450 to 500 bhp. Seeing as it produces 435bhp as standard, you'd expect it to be at the higher end of that estimation
You do the maths as to weight.
I
Max_Torque said:
It's also worth remembering that the GT4 team almost certainly had a bigger sum of money in their "get some nice biscuits in for those long dull engineering meetings" budget than new TVR have for the whole car.....
In 2016, to be as good as the best you need not just brilliant engineers, but also access to good facilities, good data processors, good procedures, repeatable, reliable data acquisition, and above all, lots and lots of time to calibrate and optimise your car, and that all costs money. Lots and lots of money!
But as we are talking a road sports car here, where the subjective dynamic performance is the main differentiator, *who* is doing the dynamic development - and the general ethos/culture of the development team - seems to be far more important. In 2016, to be as good as the best you need not just brilliant engineers, but also access to good facilities, good data processors, good procedures, repeatable, reliable data acquisition, and above all, lots and lots of time to calibrate and optimise your car, and that all costs money. Lots and lots of money!
I am in no doubt that FCA's facilities and budgets are massively bigger than Lotus'. So why do Lotus consistently get the ride, handling and steering bang on target, and why does Alfa Romeo get it all wrong with the 4C (as well as pretty much everything else they launched over the past decade or so)?
Also, I suspect that the development budget and team for specialist products of mainstream operations aren't actually that much bigger than those for the core product of small OEMs. And for a good reason too, as you don't want a specialist product watered down through endless layers of corporate red tape which will also load huge overhead costs on such projects.
HarryW said:
900T-R said:
With the small distinction that you can actually buy a TVR, and not a GT4 (at least, not anywhere near list price ).
True, ). 1. The GT4 was a limited run that listed at £65k. Vs The LE is a limited run that lists at ?
2. The GT4 now commands £100k. Vs The LE which will do well to not drop 20% in the first year.
3. The GT4 is a no nonsense back to basics sports car Vs The LE aim is the same.
4. The GT4 used proven GT3 know how. Vs The LE which has not yet been prototyped, but has GM doing the dynamics.
And so on...
5. If you put your money down for a LE TVR now, chances are you'll get one. Go to a dealer for a GT/911R/whatever 'special' Porsche at the very day the press gets wind of such a car being in the works, and either the dealer will take your money 'subject to availability' (the dishonest way as they know you won't get one) or explain that all will be distributed among the sort of customer that buys half a dozen Porsches any given year, and you stand no chance in hell of getting one short of buying from a speculator at a vastly inflated price.
A normal punter has had no chance of getting a GT4 at anywhere near list price. The car that won ECOTY at a £65K list price is effectively a six figure purchase. I believe folks are putting 911Rs on sale for 750,000 euro as we speak...
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