New TVR still under wraps!

[HarryW]

Snakes said:

I hope you don't mind but I used a few of your adjectives for the closing credits of this video.

Pretty scenery, needs the car exhaust note in there though. Also noted the house by the bridge had a Union flag flying, perhaps include that a bit more prominently. Good effort by your grandson though.

[Snakes]

I agree that it needs some "NOISE"! We just didn't get the time to work out how to make a good recording of it which was a shame as it sounds bloody lovely!

[Snakes]

Some more interesting stuff here. I know some people are very sceptical of how likely it is that this project will come to fruition but I am reassured every time I hear what Les says. Just a shame to learn that the LE model is going to be considerably over £60k! Looking forward to the full interview (and the upcoming customer clinic!).

[wanacoop]

Watching Top Gear last night, and I noticed how the celeb, can't remember his name, ginger actor, had a little dig at TVR, saying that he had owned one, no model, no details, nothing about how great they are, just that if he didn't drive it for two weeks, you would then have to get it back up running properly...
This sort of bs is what the new TVR launch doesn't need. He was obviously not a petrol head, as his best car was a new mini.

[N7GTX]

wanacoop said:

Watching Top Gear last night, and I noticed how the celeb, can't remember his name, ginger actor, had a little dig at TVR, saying that he had owned one, no model, no details, nothing about how great they are, just that if he didn't drive it for two weeks, you would then have to get it back up running properly...
This sort of bs is what the new TVR launch doesn't need. He was obviously not a petrol head, as his best car was a new mini.

Come back Clarkson, all is forgiven.

[Englishman]

wanacoop said:

Watching Top Gear last night, and I noticed how the celeb, can't remember his name, ginger actor, had a little dig at TVR, saying that he had owned one, no model, no details, nothing about how great they are, just that if he didn't drive it for two weeks, you would then have to get it back up running properly...
This sort of bs is what the new TVR launch doesn't need. He was obviously not a petrol head, as his best car was a new mini.

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&f=8&t=1244128

[smithyithy]

The Launch Edition thing I find a bit confusing..

Let's say a die hard fan has out down his/her deposit and wants the new TVR. They then announce that the LE will be £80k, and the 'regular' version £60k..

If £80k is too rich, do you reckon the depositer will then be able to switch to the regular version and get first dibs on one of those?

[Boatbuoy]

I'm a bit suprised that the PH story hasn't been discussed on here, yet:

http://www.pistonheads.com/features/ph-features/ne...

[m4tti]

Boatbuoy said:

I'm a bit suprised that the PH story hasn't been discussed on here, yet:

http://www.pistonheads.com/features/ph-features/ne...

Probably because there's no new info there.

Approximately 15 months from target delivery and....,nothing.

[julian64]

smithyithy said:

The Launch Edition thing I find a bit confusing..

Let's say a die hard fan has out down his/her deposit and wants the new TVR. They then announce that the LE will be £80k, and the 'regular' version £60k..

If £80k is too rich, do you reckon the depositer will then be able to switch to the regular version and get first dibs on one of those?

Launch edition is a gimmick. Look at the launch editions of the saggy T35o Tuscan and Cerb. Legendary problems with the first cars that came out, slowly sorted through the production run. By the end of the runs they were nice cars.

There is a price to be paid for getting the first cars off a production run, and its not a price I'd be prepared to pay.

[DonkeyApple]

julian64 said:

smithyithy said:

The Launch Edition thing I find a bit confusing..

Let's say a die hard fan has out down his/her deposit and wants the new TVR. They then announce that the LE will be £80k, and the 'regular' version £60k..

If £80k is too rich, do you reckon the depositer will then be able to switch to the regular version and get first dibs on one of those?

Launch edition is a gimmick. Look at the launch editions of the saggy T35o Tuscan and Cerb. Legendary problems with the first cars that came out, slowly sorted through the production run. By the end of the runs they were nice cars.

There is a price to be paid for getting the first cars off a production run, and its not a price I'd be prepared to pay.

They won't be Welsh though. Surely you cannot put a price on that?

[CB T350]

smithyithy said:

The Launch Edition thing I find a bit confusing..

Let's say a die hard fan has out down his/her deposit and wants the new TVR. They then announce that the LE will be £80k, and the 'regular' version £60k..

If £80k is too rich, do you reckon the depositer will then be able to switch to the regular version and get first dibs on one of those?

I asked Les and John this question at the London Motor Show and the answer was Yes, and you will keep your relative place in the queue, BUT after the 500 LE cars have been built.

[smithyithy]

Ah, I suppose that's fair then.

[V8Bart]

Ok here is a stupid question.

EU regulations are a pain in the backside, is it ridiculous that TVR could be waiting for the EU vote before final design?

[GetCarter]

V8Bart said:

Ok here is a stupid question.

EU regulations are a pain in the backside, is it ridiculous that TVR could be waiting for the EU vote before final design?

Don't think that's an issue. As mentioned, I asked GM about progress last week and he seemed really positive. All on track were his words (and I'm not press!). He's has a shed load of his design team on the project, so .... etc.

[Englishman]

So we now know a little more from the PH interview:

http://www.pistonheads.com/news/tvr-pistonheads/10...

Not too much new, but looks like 2018 deliveries and the LE edition will be under £100K (as I read it), but probably not much.

[m4tti]

So have slipped, on the 2017 timeline?

[julian64]

Not sure I'm understanding the philosophy here. The first cars will be near 100K, and then the rest of the cars will be Sagaris money 50-60K.

Bit of a bugger being one of the first adopters then isn't it? Carbon tub, wings and fins for £??. They aren't going to detune the engine for the cheaper versions as that would be financial suicide.

It seems a bit of a disincentive to go ahead with the initial buy. Coupled with the fact that 100K will get you some very nice machinery. Its like the first buyers are paying for the R&D.

Surely the conventional system for being an early adopter is the same as for kickstarter. You get the early product, expect a few ironing out gremlins but you get it for a cheaper price point??

[DonkeyApple]

julian64 said:

Not sure I'm understanding the philosophy here. The first cars will be near 100K, and then the rest of the cars will be Sagaris money 50-60K.

Bit of a bugger being one of the first adopters then isn't it? Carbon tub, wings and fins for £??. They aren't going to detune the engine for the cheaper versions as that would be financial suicide.

It seems a bit of a disincentive to go ahead with the initial buy. Coupled with the fact that 100K will get you some very nice machinery. Its like the first buyers are paying for the R&D.

Surely the conventional system for being an early adopter is the same as for kickstarter. You get the early product, expect a few ironing out gremlins but you get it for a cheaper price point??

Partly. After the LE there will still be models with carbon, Cosworth engine and other goodies that will be the high end vehicles but what they are saying is that after the LE also available will be an entry level model that uses steel in the frame, plastic in the infill panels and a standard Ford crate engine. So a bit like advertising the 5.0 Griff with aircon etc but mostly selling 4.0 Chims without aircon.

But as you say, the LE is going to be far too rich for probably a good number who have placed deposits so you have to expect they will pull out after they have had their private product reveal which will be treated as the key opportunity to entice those who can to stay and those who can't to switch not leave.

What is interesting is that they are targeting a much bigger customer base than us past and present TVR owners. They are deadly serious about obtaining the majority of their customers from other premium marques. Ballsy for sure. But then that's why they've got GMD designing and managing it all, Cosworth involved and are taking it to LE Mans.

[julian64]

DonkeyApple said:

Partly. After the LE there will still be models with carbon, Cosworth engine and other goodies that will be the high end vehicles but what they are saying is that after the LE also available will be an entry level model that uses steel in the frame, plastic in the infill panels and a standard Ford crate engine. So a bit like advertising the 5.0 Griff with aircon etc but mostly selling 4.0 Chims without aircon.

But as you say, the LE is going to be far too rich for probably a good number who have placed deposits so you have to expect they will pull out after they have had their private product reveal which will be treated as the key opportunity to entice those who can to stay and those who can't to switch not leave.

What is interesting is that they are targeting a much bigger customer base than us past and present TVR owners. They are deadly serious about obtaining the majority of their customers from other premium marques. Ballsy for sure. But then that's why they've got GMD designing and managing it all, Cosworth involved and are taking it to LE Mans.

Well I have every finger crossed for them. It would be lovely to see