New TVR still under wraps!
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alphonso said:
Anyone able to write up a summary?
There's a fair bit to it but some key points:- the evo boys have inspected the engine mule (Black Hound) and are impressed. It sounds good and they are doing a proper job of testing it. Photo's look great.
- target is 400bhp per ton and under 1200kgs, Cosworth not done too much with the engine as the focus is on reliability, ABS and mild TC will be standard but with a proper OFF button.
- GM reckons only the 2nd car (after the AMG SLR) to exploit underbody aero and massive wing on the mule to simulate, interior will be pure TVR but reliable to the build process. Ergonomics are NB.
- GMD involved right the way through - it's real and very exciting.
Hope I'm not contravening copyright laws - go get the mag when it's out
SHARKBITEATTACK said:
KSV said:
Were you trying to imply something?Rant Over... Im sure those that do 'eventually' get their new car will love it!
Incognegro said:
Nice comparison LS wins! But for me thats exactly why I think they should have gone back to the S6 production and let Dom and Powers produce the bigger lumps from standard. Can keep your new TVR and LS conversions and I'll sign up to a 4.7SS with knock MBE OK I know other manufacturers outsource engines to good effect but for me the charm in TVR was no compromise we'll do our own!
Rant Over... Im sure those that do 'eventually' get their new car will love it!
hopefully there is one Rant Over... Im sure those that do 'eventually' get their new car will love it!
maybe the buying price of the ford units had been cheaper than the ls versions
so they decided for them.
as for the SP6 it wont make it through modern emission standards.
if you have one in your car nice but this is a 2016 or 17 built.
increasing a SP6 to 4.7L capacity is senseless compared with a V8.
you will loose revs on the top end gain a little bit of torque here
and here but the V8 lump will still be the better unit no matter how.
maybe they will set up a blast of the past version
TVRMs said:
Does anyone now think they will be more expensive than they originally perceived??
Given the original price banded about was £55-75k, everyone lumped in with their deposits based on that estimate. Then there was talk of the LE being closer to £85k, even though the upgrade for the LE bits were previously cited as free to deposit holders as a thank you for showing good faith. The main stream car that followed on from the LE was also banded about as coming in at around £65k a the same time. A slightly later interview put the LE as sub £100k, probably just a holding reply given to a jornos question. Not read the EVO article yet myself, but I think the price used in there is higher yet again, heard £120k mentioned for the LE.
Personally I'm waiting for the customer reveal and official price announcement, which is sometime this summer. Anything else is just guess work.
The Surveyor said:
For those naysayers who are wanting to be drip-fed information, would you not prefer them to take their time and get it right rather than rushing out concepts which were constantly changing.
TVR of old used to surf a wave of negativity whenever they put out new cars regarding their poor build quality and design errors, things that needed to be put right or re-glued by the first owners. Their saving grace was that the cars were so exciting that enough owners forgave those faults to buy more in the future. That was until the faults became too overpowering and it all fell apart.
The new TVR doesn't have that luxury. If its poor, it'll fail period. There won't be any second chances for this new car so be patient and let them do it at their own pace. Let them make the errors behind closed doors rather than in front of the doom mongers and motoring press.
I agree. TVR of old used to surf a wave of negativity whenever they put out new cars regarding their poor build quality and design errors, things that needed to be put right or re-glued by the first owners. Their saving grace was that the cars were so exciting that enough owners forgave those faults to buy more in the future. That was until the faults became too overpowering and it all fell apart.
The new TVR doesn't have that luxury. If its poor, it'll fail period. There won't be any second chances for this new car so be patient and let them do it at their own pace. Let them make the errors behind closed doors rather than in front of the doom mongers and motoring press.
It's a much more tricky time now to launch a car and they must tread carefully.
With previous cars and their (sometimes extensive) issues they were able to say "Oh no, that's terrible. But look how fast and crazy it is!" ... And that was enough. Many people loved them, despite their flaws, and bought another.
However technology has advanced so much that it is no longer possible for a small company such as TVR to bring out what have always been relatively comfortable and well equipped cars (Cars, not track toys such as the Aerial Atom, or KTM) capable of embarrassing owners of cars with 10x the price tag. Les and Co. clearly recognise this, as indicated by their performance figures. They're not looking at Koenigsegg.
At 400bhp per tonne it seems mad to say, but they're being somewhat sensible. Cars with this kind of ratio are stupidly fast, but this was quoted for a Red Rose Cerbera 15 years ago.
I saw a big problem for TVR being cars like the Jaguar F-type R. They're plenty fast enough for pretty much everybody, built by a major OEM, reliable, well kitted out, make a good noise etc. But given that the major OEMs are losing interest in these kinds of cars because of market research indicating, year after year, that the market for big V8 shouty things is quite literally starting to die off (Hence the ecotec mustang), there is something of an emerging opportunity, at least in the short-mid term, until everyone is driving electric cars which out accelerate almost anything needing petrol.
I do struggle though to imagine the ROI for this venture, but we'll see.
TVRMs said:
Does anyone now think they will be more expensive than they originally perceived??
When I put in my deposit I was expecting to pay up to around £75k as a maximum. Over the year the 'mooted' price has risen to £100k + for the LE edition. Consequently I have had my deposit returned. PGNSagaris said:
TVRMs said:
Does anyone now think they will be more expensive than they originally perceived??
When I put in my deposit I was expecting to pay up to around £75k as a maximum. Over the year the 'mooted' price has risen to £100k + for the LE edition. Consequently I have had my deposit returned. PGNSagaris said:
TVRMs said:
Does anyone now think they will be more expensive than they originally perceived??
When I put in my deposit I was expecting to pay up to around £75k as a maximum. Over the year the 'mooted' price has risen to £100k + for the LE edition. Consequently I have had my deposit returned. gacksen said:
hopefully there is one
maybe the buying price of the ford units had been cheaper than the ls versions
so they decided for them.
as for the SP6 it wont make it through modern emission standards.
if you have one in your car nice but this is a 2016 or 17 built.
increasing a SP6 to 4.7L capacity is senseless compared with a V8.
you will loose revs on the top end gain a little bit of torque here
and here but the V8 lump will still be the better unit no matter how.
maybe they will set up a blast of the past version
Points taken, I think Im just offing why Im not plunging for the new breed as in my eyes a fibreglass car that won't rust and Doms figures he's teased me with the 4.7 OMG (not bit more here and there)!!!!! seriously not being out run by anything in the class or even above! all that at a snipet of the indicated £100k I'll be having my build run in and back for release day of the new car maybe the buying price of the ford units had been cheaper than the ls versions
so they decided for them.
as for the SP6 it wont make it through modern emission standards.
if you have one in your car nice but this is a 2016 or 17 built.
increasing a SP6 to 4.7L capacity is senseless compared with a V8.
you will loose revs on the top end gain a little bit of torque here
and here but the V8 lump will still be the better unit no matter how.
maybe they will set up a blast of the past version
just so I can be smug lolHarryW said:
Given the original price banded about was £55-75k, everyone lumped in with their deposits based on that estimate. Then there was talk of the LE being closer to £85k, even though the upgrade for the LE bits were previously cited as free to deposit holders as a thank you for showing good faith. The main stream car that followed on from the LE was also banded about as coming in at around £65k a the same time. A slightly later interview put the LE as sub £100k, probably just a holding reply given to a jornos question.
Not read the EVO article yet myself, but I think the price used in there is higher yet again, heard £120k mentioned for the LE.
Personally I'm waiting for the customer reveal and official price announcement, which is sometime this summer. Anything else is just guess work.
No - the upgrades to LE were not said to be 'free'..Not read the EVO article yet myself, but I think the price used in there is higher yet again, heard £120k mentioned for the LE.
Personally I'm waiting for the customer reveal and official price announcement, which is sometime this summer. Anything else is just guess work.
Originally the LE spec was to be cheaper than ordering all the bits off the option list, compared to a standard car.
When later on IStream Carbon was announced, this was going to be 'free' as part of LE spec
Edited by BJWoods on Tuesday 9th August 20:13
Agreed with what's been said here generally. Anything over £80K for the entry level and its going to be a lame duck. Unless it really is going to 'redefine' the market as we know it.
Fact is, the vast majority of higher end sports car buyers don't want to be challenged. They want something fast but very easy to master so they don't look like a total wazzer for sticking their pride into the nearest hedge.
So what does it sound like we have? Basically a resurrected car company; world renowned for their poor reliability and build quality,producing a totally unproven car for £80+K. Do they seriously think this is going to sell well?
They'd have been better targetting the 40-60k range, used the speed 6 engine, which is still emissions compliant if I'm not mistaken. Then build off that foundation.
I hope it's a success, I do. However I have serious concerns about this now. I think people are more likely to take an extravagant gamble on a £45-50k car, than something knocking on the door of a tonne...
Fact is, the vast majority of higher end sports car buyers don't want to be challenged. They want something fast but very easy to master so they don't look like a total wazzer for sticking their pride into the nearest hedge.
So what does it sound like we have? Basically a resurrected car company; world renowned for their poor reliability and build quality,producing a totally unproven car for £80+K. Do they seriously think this is going to sell well?
They'd have been better targetting the 40-60k range, used the speed 6 engine, which is still emissions compliant if I'm not mistaken. Then build off that foundation.
I hope it's a success, I do. However I have serious concerns about this now. I think people are more likely to take an extravagant gamble on a £45-50k car, than something knocking on the door of a tonne...
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